Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

[evanovitch]

British magazine snubs Marley - Bob fails to make top-50 reggae album list

Curtis Campbell, STAR Writer


British magazine MOJO magazine has come under fire from reggae lovers after its most recent top-50 reggae album tribute to Jamaica did not include any album or albums from the late king of reggae, Bob Marley.

Musicians featured on MOJO magazine's list include Barrington Levy (Shaolin Temple), Dennis Brown (Wolves & Leopards), Gregory Isaacs (Night Nurse), Beenie Man (Art & Life), Lady Saw (Passion), T.O.K (My Crew My Dawgs), Sizzla (Black Woman and Child) and incarcerated Reggae singjay Buju Banton (Til' Shiloh).

The STAR contacted Bay-C of dancehall/reggae group T.O.K to get a comment on MOJO magazine's selection, and according to the artiste he would like to see the criterion which MOJO used to make the final decision because Bob Marley exclusion is strange to him.

"It would depend on what the criteria was but Bob Marley is the most established reggae brand in the world, and he is the king of reggae, so right now I am curious to see the criteria , but aside from that Bob Marley is still the king of reggae," he said.

Bay-C also commented on T.O.K's album selection saying that My Crew My Dawgs had a good variety.

"We wanted to make a classic, mixing reggae with dancehall. That way, we had something for everybody, and it is a great feeling to know that our work did not fall on deaf ears. It's definitely an honour," he said.

Veteran dancehall artiste U-Roy also made MOJO magazine's final cut, however, he believes that Bob Marley deserved to be selected.

"The man who put that together nuh know weh him a duh. Bob Marley is foundation so that don't sound right to me, Bob Marley is a top seller in the universe so something don't right. Dem miss out big time it must be a mistake, dem need fi check and go again," U-Roy said.

Attempts to get comments from the Marley family were unsuccessful, however, Bob Marley's widow, Rita Marley, said in an interview with Entertainment Report that an apology by MOJO magazine was well deserved.

"Bob is one of a kind, it's not late for them to apologise, we would accept an apology but we are not impressed, Bob seh 'dem a guh tired fi si mi face dem cyah get mi out a di race', it's a foolish dog who barks after a flying bird," Rita Marley said.

The snub for Marley comes on the heels of the premiere of a documentary depicting his life story on the lawns of Emancipation Park last month. Hundreds of reggae lovers and fans of the reggae icon had turned out to show their support for Marley.

MOJO has not yet responded to queries from The Star

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

I think it great, because many folks are saying Bob is not Reggae, there are other artistes and it is a colour thing.
So now others can get their due.

[evanovitch]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it great, because many folks are saying Bob is not Reggae, there are other artistes and it is a colour thing.
So now others can get their due. </div></div>

cmon TG mi expek betta from u....the argument as i have read it ovah di years has been that Bob's hue made him more marketable wen it was determined dat di group was going to be marketed...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cmon TG mi expek betta from u....the argument as i have read it ovah di years has been that Bob's hue made him more marketable wen it was determined dat di group was going to be marketed...</div></div>

....Not true though......Bob and Bunny Wailers were true business persons.
Bob had over 25 companies registered at his death.
He addressed the argument of money, work and capitalism on more than one occasion. Still was/is not enough to spread unsubstantiated rumour.

Bunny Wailers said he did not want to travel on Iron Bird, he claimed he was a farmer and left the music business to farm and fish. I worked on his first concert after he started doing shows again.

Peter was always grumbling about money and respect. I don't know how many companies he formed but I know he had at least one label.

[blugiant]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it great, because many folks are saying Bob is not Reggae, there are other artistes and it is a colour thing.
So now others can get their due. </div></div>

nat totallee agreeinn widd yu ear tg

butt mii awlway askinn y marley familee winn so manee grammy wen de realitee iss dat deer iss bettar ann real reggae artists out deer wey do gitt de xxposure

[blugiant]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cmon TG mi expek betta from u....the argument as i have read it ovah di years has been that Bob's hue made him more marketable wen it was determined dat di group was going to be marketed...</div></div>

....Not true though......Bob and Bunny Wailers were true business persons.
Bob had over 25 companies registered at his death.
He addressed the argument of money, work and capitalism on more than one occasion. Still was/is not enough to spread unsubstantiated rumour.

Bunny Wailers said he did not want to travel on Iron Bird, he claimed he was a farmer and left the music business to farm and fish. I worked on his first concert after he started doing shows again.

Peter was always grumbling about money and respect. I don't know how many companies he formed but I know he had at least one label. </div></div>

realitee iss dat bob wass more marketable cah imm wass lite skin. yu gawn like yuh neva ear bob chatt bout imm use fe used blakk shoe polish inn imm hair fe mekk imm look blakka. bob use fe grumble bout money butt bob wass more flexible dan peta

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....
butt mii awlway askinn y marley familee winn so manee grammy wen de realitee iss dat deer iss bettar ann real reggae artists out deer wey do gitt de xxposure </div></div>

Well like anything else in the business, it depends on promotion. The next thing is Marley family is bigger than most Artiste Family, even outside of Reggae, so more music, more promotion, more rewards.

[evanovitch]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cmon TG mi expek betta from u....the argument as i have read it ovah di years has been that Bob's hue made him more marketable wen it was determined dat di group was going to be marketed...</div></div>

....Not true though......Bob and Bunny Wailers were true business persons.
Bob had over 25 companies registered at his death.
He addressed the argument of money, work and capitalism on more than one occasion. Still was/is not enough to spread unsubstantiated rumour.

Bunny Wailers said he did not want to travel on Iron Bird, he claimed he was a farmer and left the music business to farm and fish. I worked on his first concert after he started doing shows again.

Peter was always grumbling about money and respect. I don't know how many companies he formed but I know he had at least one label. </div></div>

all a dat still ha likkle n nutten to do wid wen Wailers signed wid Island n a new push n career was forged...nuff yaad artist alreddy establish before dem go wid a farrin record company....yes each Wailer had dem own label separate n apart from dem joint effort of TG...each wrote independently etc...wid all a dat , there is a separate issue of Island rerecording their works n relaunching careers wich found B being the palatable choice ala Diana R n the Supremes...afta all u had the Supremes before u had DR n the S juss like u had the W before u had B M n the W...to mek it even closer to recent time, y u tink Sean Paul found it necessary to change his old and long time collaborator.....is a reason y it is called the music BIZIZ u know...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
all a dat still ha likkle n nutten to do wid wen Wailers signed wid Island n a new push n career was forged...nuff yaad artist alreddy establish before dem go wid a farrin record company....yes each Wailer had dem own label separate n apart from dem joint effort of TG...each wrote independently etc...wid all a dat , there is a separate issue of Island rerecording their works n relaunching careers wich found B being the palatable choice ala Diana R n the Supremes...afta all u had the Supremes before u had DR n the S juss like u had the W before u had B M n the W...to mek it even closer to recent time, y u tink Sean Paul found it necessary to change his old and long time collaborator.....is a reason y it is called the music BIZIZ u know... </div></div>

Don't know about Sean Paul and other Artistes. Labels sign and promote who they can work with.
As I have said before there are many reasons why Bob and the group that went with him, move forward.
The Wailers line-up behind Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and Bunny had changed a few times before their music even left Trench Town. There was a ton of reasons, Skin colour <span style="font-style: italic">(to my recollection),</span> was never the issue.
As Bunny said, when Island signed Bob Marley and the Wailers, the Wailers were already a business entity.
Recently I just sold my last original Wailers LP to a guy in France. The One with the Zippo Cover, released before Island put out the same Album.

Bob, Peter and Bunny could not be together forever, but the Wailers core group remained with little changes after they got signed and after Peter and Bunny left..
Tells you something!

[evanovitch]

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now really TG .u expect companies to seh skin colour...mercy...i am also amazed that u dont entertain the validity of the argument despite the many examples prior to him....wow....i cannot believe u r so literal...industry practises mean juss dat...INDUSTRY....there is a reason blk artists can now sue white ones who were able to use their music wid impunity under segregation but now have to pay up...Beach Boys were given credit fi a one song because di originator was a black man...Cadillac Records the movie show di industry practises of colourism...mercy...wow...additionally....if u adhere to philosophy , i.e. if a , b n c etc, it is not hard to see the reasoning of said practises in later years...but di I no really able fi continue to try remove natta...juss a shake me head doah...wow...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now really TG .u expect companies to seh skin colour...mercy...i am also amazed that u dont entertain the validity of the argument despite the many examples prior to him....wow....i cannot believe u r so literal...i </div></div>

There are many reasons why Bob Marley and the Wailers succeeded....... Colour of the front-man is the least.
No one saw Bob as white or easier to sell because he was white.

The chief reason why Bob Marley and the Wailers progressed was because they were a hard working band, rehearsed a lot and was tight long before they left the big yard in Trench Town.
Since there were so many musicians along the lines of Bob and the Wailers that if 5 Wailers drop out, you could find 10 more in a heartbeat, willing to play in the Wailers.

Any sensible A&amp;R would have seen this, signed the band and promoted the life out of them. But there is an even greater reason (that also meshes perfectly with the bands experience), the London Underground. Just like the Beatles coming to the USA the scene was perfect for Bob and the Wailers or any good well-rehearsed Reggae Band that had material.

Put Bob Marley and the Wailers in the time and space they occupied then. There is no evidence that they were touring and making money while other suffered. Every one that made the move with them and had the material made bank <span style="font-style: italic">(or more to point could have made bank, because it did not stop thieving Labels and Promoters from taking advantage of them)</span>.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">realitee iss dat bob wass more marketable cah imm wass lite skin. yu gawn like yuh neva ear bob chatt bout imm use fe used blakk shoe polish inn imm hair fe mekk imm look blakka. </div></div>

It is amazing how we use shifting scales and dishonest metrics to try to make a feeble point. At some point in time Bob had to deal with his own insecurities.
The evidence you cite suggest that Bob did not feel accepted because he was not African enough.
This I was sure i did not have to point out to you, is diametrically opposed him getting ahead because is is whiter and lighter.

There is absolutely zero evidence of this and I would like anyone who feel that this is so to correct my naivety......Show I <span style="font-weight: bold">one Artiste/Band/Group from that period that had more or similar talent that suffered because they were dark</span>?

[jah_yout]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now really TG .u expect companies to seh skin colour...mercy...i am also amazed that u dont entertain the validity of the argument despite the many examples prior to him....wow....i cannot believe u r so literal...industry practises mean juss dat...INDUSTRY....there is a reason blk artists can now sue white ones who were able to use their music wid impunity under segregation but now have to pay up...Beach Boys were given credit fi a one song because di originator was a black man...Cadillac Records the movie show di industry practises of colourism...mercy...wow...additionally....if u adhere to philosophy , i.e. if a , b n c etc, it is not hard to see the reasoning of said practises in later years...but di I no really able fi continue to try remove natta...juss a shake me head doah...wow... </div></div>


i wonder if you'll be able to answer this one...

why was bob marley the lead singer for the majority of the wailers material <span style="font-style: italic">before</span> they even met chris blackwell...

a full time some jamaicans get off this color thing of attributing everything to shade &amp; tone...
bob marley had the vibes and the spirit...was annointed to do a work...now the reggae fraternity acknowledge him as such...
yet a few delirious jamaicandotcommers explain bob marley's legendary status due to his skin tone;

you discredit your own and don't even get it

[jah_yout]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cmon TG mi expek betta from u....the argument as i have read it ovah di years has been that Bob's hue made him more marketable wen it was determined dat di group was going to be marketed...</div></div>

....Not true though......Bob and Bunny Wailers were true business persons.
Bob had over 25 companies registered at his death.
He addressed the argument of money, work and capitalism on more than one occasion. Still was/is not enough to spread unsubstantiated rumour.

Bunny Wailers said he did not want to travel on Iron Bird, he claimed he was a farmer and left the music business to farm and fish. I worked on his first concert after he started doing shows again.

Peter was always grumbling about money and respect. I don't know how many companies he formed but I know he had at least one label. </div></div>

realitee iss dat bob wass more marketable cah imm wass lite skin. yu gawn like yuh neva ear bob chatt bout imm use fe used blakk shoe polish inn imm hair fe mekk imm look blakka. bob use fe grumble bout money butt bob wass more flexible dan peta

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i hope one day you'll do some research on the full history of the wailers or at least talk to some people who really knew them (like my parents- peter tosh used to come to my house by the way- i knew him personally)....
so you can stop the madness already...
there is much more to bob marley than light skin...just go inna afrika and ask the people

[jah_yout]

Re: Br magazine snubs Marley-no album makes top50 regg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now really TG .u expect companies to seh skin colour...mercy...i am also amazed that u dont entertain the validity of the argument despite the many examples prior to him....wow....i cannot believe u r so literal...i </div></div>

There are many reasons why Bob Marley and the Wailers succeeded....... Colour of the front-man is the least.
No one saw Bob as white or easier to sell because he was white.

The chief reason why Bob Marley and the Wailers progressed was because they were a hard working band, rehearsed a lot and was tight long before they left the big yard in Trench Town.
Since there were so many musicians along the lines of Bob and the Wailers that if 5 Wailers drop out, you could find 10 more in a heartbeat, willing to play in the Wailers.

Any sensible A&amp;R would have seen this, signed the band and promoted the life out of them. But there is an even greater reason (that also meshes perfectly with the bands experience), the London Underground. Just like the Beatles coming to the USA the scene was perfect for Bob and the Wailers or any good well-rehearsed Reggae Band that had material.

Put Bob Marley and the Wailers in the time and space they occupied then. There is no evidence that they were touring and making money while other suffered. Every one that made the move with them and had the material made bank <span style="font-style: italic">(or more to point could have made bank, because it did not stop thieving Labels and Promoters from taking advantage of them)</span>.
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this is a sensible synopsis