Private Prisons Lobby for Harsher Sentences

[Dr.Dudd]

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Prison can come to any job. The plan invlude tge increase home confinement where the prisoners wear electronic foot-cuff.
They will be required to work at less than minimum wages for the extent of thrir sentences. They will be taking jibes from workers earning above minimum wages. The so-called educated are so daft it is inconceivable how they don't walk into moving traffic.!!!
By they recognized ehst is happening thry will be convicts themselves working in their own jobes for the new going wage. Then they will be sporting new high tech jewelery. Altbough higher education will be rare. Since they won't need much of those. And much of those will be illegal anyway.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KF_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if they could privatize the government? </div></div>


To a large extent we are already there...the repugnicans and tea party wing are pushing for even more privacy and rule by a hidden elite

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Privately operated pridons is one of tge steps to substitution of unpaid labour fir unionized labour. They will eventually make uinons a thing if the last century. It started in the education system by removing the principles of worker organization from the curriculum. Then promote they use the media to condemn unions as a result of action of the elected union reps. Now that the citizens become alienated from the only tool ir organization they have the next stage of making them slaves through the prison industrial complex. </div></div>




Well prisoners are legally defined as slaves in the 13th amendment to the constitution and for a while was used to continue the American slave-based economic order

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJah2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly, there are corporations running these prisons and what it amounts to is modern day slavery.
In Georgia dem seh no one wanted to pick the peaches so they brought in prisoners, all at free labour. So the farmer got his crops picked for free and ppl lost jobs because of it. I think it's Levis who is invested in one of these, so the prisoners make levis for 25cents/ hour. Soon you will see car manufacturers and other basic manufacturers build cars and other stuff there as well. American Express owns one a these prisons, GM is heavily invested in these as well.

You think it cyaan come to your type a job, well they have enough ppl who can do accounting in prison as well and you can kiss your a job good bye too. O but wait you're a teacher, cool, they can put one of these smart prisoners infront of your class by internet. Kiss your cushy high filutin job outta here too. Suh maybe it nuh mattah tuh yuh tuhdeh but wait till de morrow cause guess wah? It's a new day
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Real talk... These things weh ppl so used to don't must be a must

[SandiF]

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Dahjah, what is your concern about private prisons? At one point, I thought you were on the tangent that <span style="font-weight: bold">public safety should not be left up to profit-making businesses</span>... But you are on the run-mill of private prisons being &quot;modern slavery&quot;. Prison (private or government run) is a place to punish the convicted and hopefully for all purposes and intent, rehabilitate the convicted. My take is justice should be a government business, prisons for all intent is to punish and to rehabilitate. Can privatization of prisons mean operational cost down and rehabilitate all at the same time? Quite unlikely. Maybe the argument should be how the government (federal and state) prosecute (i.e., the priorities), re-look at the penal laws and incarceration for certain offenses.... But I am not getting that out of your posts.


<span style="font-style: italic">(I do not need the peanut gallery, the banal monologists and waggonists fi come tell mi that mi nuh know wey a gwaan out dey.)</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJah2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Exactly, there are corporations running these prisons and what it amounts to is modern day slavery.
In Georgia dem seh no one wanted to pick the peaches so they brought in prisoners, all at free labour. So the farmer got his crops picked for free and ppl lost jobs because of it. I think it's Levis who is invested in one of these, so the prisoners make levis for 25cents/ hour. Soon you will see car manufacturers and other basic manufacturers build cars and other stuff there as well. American Express owns one a these prisons, GM is heavily invested in these as well.

You think it cyaan come to your type a job, well they have enough ppl who can do accounting in prison as well and you can kiss your a job good bye too. O but wait you're a teacher, cool, they can put one of these smart prisoners infront of your class by internet. Kiss your cushy high filutin job outta here too. Suh maybe it nuh mattah tuh yuh tuhdeh but wait till de morrow cause guess wah? It's a new day



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[barosa]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJah2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what's your solution ? </div></div>

my solution?

is dem kinda ting deh yuh fi ahx yuh president. </div></div>
DahJah, Dem tings ya bigger dan any govament or president to fix or control now.. It has been in existence more than two decades which has given &quot;Corporatism&quot; the time to firmly entrenched it's tentacles in the &quot;private prisons&quot; for profit...

Is it any wonder that &quot;THEY&quot; are lobbying for harsher prison sentences to keep the &quot;prison workers&quot; for longer periods? Three strikes and you are Out for young first offenders was intended to supply the private prison system with young bodies, but it seems the turnover rate presents a problem for them..

The black and latino population should take the lead in resisting any attempt by Private Prisons to have Harsher Longer sentences so that they can exploit the labour of young unfortunate men for Profits.. It's a form of &quot;modern day slavery&quot; and should be outlawed..
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Blessed is the sun, it doesn't discriminate, it sines on everyone..

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJah2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what's your solution ? </div></div>

my solution?

is dem kinda ting deh yuh fi ahx yuh president. </div></div>
DahJah, Dem tings ya bigger dan any govament or president to fix or control now.. It has been in existence more than two decades which has given &quot;Corporatism&quot; the time to firmly entrenched it's tentacles in the &quot;private prisons&quot; for profit...

Is it any wonder that &quot;THEY&quot; are lobbying for harsher prison sentences to keep the &quot;prison workers&quot; for longer periods? Three strikes and you are Out for young first offenders was intended to supply the private prison system with young bodies, but it seems the turnover rate presents a problem for them..

The black and latino population should take the lead in resisting any attempt by Private Prisons to have Harsher Longer sentences so that they can exploit the labour of young unfortunate men for Profits.. It's a form of &quot;modern day slavery&quot; and should be outlawed..
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Blessed is the sun, it doesn't discriminate, it sines on everyone.. </div></div> They have been trying to introduce it in Jamaica for thr last 8 years. But every time the government publicized it the public stoutly resist it. The former mayor of new York city head a security corporation that have been attempting to gsin contract with the Jamaica government.
This private prison industry has been suggested as a part too.
That is separate and apart from the stand alone build own and operate private prisons suggested to replace the tiwer street former slave holding area, operating as the high secutity prison.

[mangoskin]

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are they publically traded corps or privately held?
can inmates sue them or the govt only?

[Gen]

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<span style="font-style: italic">CCW ticker

One of the reasons for CCA’s advantage in this economy and its 500% growth since the late 90’s is that they are able to acquire prisons at a (very) good price from cash-strapped states who can’t manage their budgets and keep their prison systems in the black. </span>


this one seems to be publicly traded and has insurance and/or reserves for lawsuits from any party. (including inmates)

[mangoskin]

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thanks
so this sounds like a great investment - 500% growth...which industry can match that?

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Privately operated pridons is one of tge steps to substitution of unpaid labour fir unionized labour. They will eventually make uinons a thing if the last century. It started in the education system by removing the principles of worker organization from the curriculum. Then promote they use the media to condemn unions as a result of action of the elected union reps. Now that the citizens become alienated from the only tool ir organization they have the next stage of making them slaves through the prison industrial complex. </div></div>




Well prisoners are legally defined as slaves in the 13th amendment to the constitution and for a while was used to continue the American slave-based economic order </div></div>

yu pon de rite track. goo deepah oww didd 13th legallee change slaveree ann wat typa slaveree didd itt end ann wat typa slave ownahship itt legalizes? iff yuh kno de anwsah to dat den yu will see dat oww de defenition aff modern slaveree iss evolvinn again back to da ole defenition cah aff woo iss being allowed to own enslave prisoners

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Emperah_dahJah2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dat is becah yuh nuh ovastand wah really a gwaan.
When smaddy innocent een deh an get big time becah dem get tree moving violations... </div></div>

yuh eva read bout dem judges wey dem ketch wey use fe lock upp yuths inn private prisons. imagine sum aff dem judges affi runn ann guess woo backinn dem

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">are they publically traded corps or privately held?
can inmates sue them or the govt only? </div></div> The prison corporation is a publicly traded corporation.

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what's your solution ? </div></div>

gen peeps ask fe solutions widdout ovatandinn de issue

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Dem tings ya bigger dan any govament or president to fix or control now.. It has been in existence more than two decades which has given &quot;Corporatism&quot; the time to firmly entrenched it's tentacles in the &quot;private prisons&quot; for profit...

Is it any wonder that &quot;THEY&quot; are lobbying for harsher prison sentences to keep the &quot;prison workers&quot; for longer periods? Three strikes and you are Out for young first offenders was intended to supply the private prison system with young bodies, but it seems the turnover rate presents a problem for them..

The black and latino population should take the lead in resisting any attempt by Private Prisons to have Harsher Longer sentences so that they can exploit the labour of young unfortunate men for Profits.. It's a form of &quot;modern day slavery&quot; and should be outlawed..
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Blessed is the sun, it doesn't discriminate, it sines on everyone.. </div></div>


But then a law professor named Michelle Alexander took the stage and delivered an impassioned speech attacking the war on drugs as a system of racial control comparable to slavery and Jim Crow — and received a two-minute standing ovation from the 500 people in the audience.

“These were not young people living in high-crime neighborhoods,” Mr. McCarthy, now police superintendent in Chicago, recalled in telephone interview. “This was the black middle class.”

“I don’t believe in the government conspiracy, but what you have to accept is that that narrative exists in the community and has to be addressed,” he said. “That was my real a-ha moment.”

Mr. McCarthy is not alone. During the past two years Professor Alexander has been provoking such moments across the country — and across the political spectrum — with her book, “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness,” which has become a surprise best seller since its paperback version came out in January. Sales have totaled some 175,000 copies after an initial hardcover printing of a mere 3,000, according to the publisher, the New Press.

The book marshals pages of statistics and legal citations to argue that the get-tough approach to crime that began in the Nixon administration and intensified with Ronald Reagan’s declaration of the war on drugs has devastated black America. Today, Professor Alexander writes, nearly one-third of black men are likely to spend time in prison at some point, only to find themselves falling into permanent second-class citizenship after they get out. That is a familiar argument made by many critics of the criminal justice system, but Professor Alexander’s book goes further, asserting that the crackdown was less a response to the actual explosion of violent crime than a deliberate effort to push back the gains of the civil rights movement.

For many African-Americans, the book — which has spent six weeks on the New York Times paperback nonfiction best-seller list — gives eloquent and urgent expression to deep feelings that the criminal justice system is stacked against them.

“Everyone in the African-American community had been seeing exactly what she is talking about but couldn’t put it into words,” said Phillip Jackson, executive director of the Black Star Project, an educational advocacy group in Chicago that has been blasting its 60,000 e-mail subscribers with what Mr. Jackson called near-daily messages about the book and Professor Alexander since he saw a video of her speaking in 2010.

The book is also galvanizing white readers, including some who might question its portrayal of the war on drugs as a continuation of race war by other means.

“The book is helping white folks who otherwise would have simply dismissed that idea understand why so many people believe it,” said David M. Kennedy, director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “It is making them take that seriously.”

“The New Jim Crow” arrives at a receptive moment, when declining crime rates and exploding prison budgets have made conservatives and liberals alike more ready to question the wisdom of keeping nearly 1 in 100 Americans behind bars. But Professor Alexander, who teaches at the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University, said in an interview that the more provocative claims of her book did not come easily to her. When she first encountered the “New Jim Crow” metaphor on a protest sign in Oakland, Calif., a decade ago, she was a civil rights lawyer with an impeccable résumé — Stanford Law School, a Supreme Court clerkship — and was leery of embracing arguments that might be considered, as she put it, “crazy.”

Professor Alexander, who is black, knew that African-Americans were overrepresented in prison, though she resisted the idea that this was anything more than unequal implementation of colorblind laws. But her work as director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Racial Justice Project in Northern California, she said, opened her eyes to the extent of the lifelong exclusion many offenders face, including job discrimination, elimination from juries and voter rolls, and even disqualification from food stamps, public housing and student loans.

“It’s easy to be completely unaware that this vast new system of racial and social control has emerged,” she said. “Unlike in Jim Crow days, there were no ‘Whites Only’ signs. This system is out of sight, out of mind.”

In conversation, she disputes any suggestion that she is describing a conspiracy. While the title is “provocative,” she said, the book contains no descriptions of people gathering secretly in rooms.

“The main thrust,” she said, “is to show how historically both our conscious and unconscious biases and anxieties have played out over and over again to birth these vast new systems of social control.”

Whatever Professor Alexander’s account of the origins of mass incarceration, her overall depiction of its human costs is resonating even with people who disagree with her politics.

Rick Olson, a state representative in Michigan, was one of the few whites and few Republicans in the room when Professor Alexander gave a talk sponsored by the state’s black caucus in January.

“I had never before connected the dots between the drug war, unequal enforcement, and how that reinforces poverty,” Representative Olson said. “I thought, ‘Gee whiz, let me get this book.’ ”

Reading it, he said, inspired him to draft a bill decriminalizing the use and possession of marijuana.

The Rev. Charles Hubbard, the pastor at Gloria Dei Lutheran Church, a mostly white evangelical congregation in Garland, Tex., said he had started carrying the book with him everywhere and urges fellow pastors to preach about it, though he acknowledged it could be a tough sell in Texas.

“I think people need to hear the message,” he said. “I don’t think Anglo folks have any idea how difficult it is for African-American men who get caught up in the criminal justice system.”

Mr. Hubbard said he was particularly impressed by how “well-documented” Professor Alexander’s book is. But to some of the book’s detractors, including those deeply sympathetic to her goal of ending mass incarceration, its scholarship falls short.

In an article to be published next month in The New York University Law Review, James Forman Jr., a clinical professor at Yale Law School and a former public defender, calls mass incarceration a social disaster but challenges what he calls Professor Alexander’s “myopic” focus on the war on drugs.

Painting the war on drugs as mainly a backlash against the gains of the civil rights movement, Professor Forman writes, ignores the violent crime wave of the 1970s and minimizes the support among many African-Americans for get-tough measures. Furthermore, he argues, drug offenders make up less than 25 percent of the nation’s total prison population, while violent offenders — who receive little mention in “The New Jim Crow” — make up a much larger share.

“Even if every single one of these drug offenders were released tomorrow,” he writes, “the United States would still have the world’s largest prison system.”

To Professor Alexander, however, that argument neglects the full scope of the problem. Our criminal “caste system,” as she calls it, affects not just the 2.3 million people behind bars, but also the 4.8 million others on probation or parole (predominately for nonviolent offenses), to say nothing of the millions more whose criminal records stigmatize them for life.

“This system depends on the prison label, not just prison time,” she said.

In a telephone interview, Professor Forman, a son of the civil rights leader James Forman, praised the book’s “spectacular” success in raising awareness of the issue. And some activists say their political differences with Professor Alexander’s account matter less than the overall picture she paints of a brutal and unjust system.

Craig M. DeRoche, director of external affairs at the Justice Fellowship, the advocacy arm of Prison Fellowship, a Christian ministry founded by the former Nixon aide Charles Colson, said he rejected the political history in “The New Jim Crow” but still considered it essential reading for conservatives.

“The facts are the facts,” he said. “The numbers are the numbers.”

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: March 8, 2012

An article on Wednesday about the book “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness,” by Michelle Alexander, misstated, in some editions, a word in a comment by Rick Olson, a state legislator in Michigan, about his reaction to a talk by Professor Alexander. He said, “I had never before connected the dots between the drug war, unequal enforcement, and how that reinforces poverty” — not unequal “reinforcement.”