Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

[Tropicana]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everytime I see that ahole on tv, my first response is 'ugh!'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The mayor recently voted against every one of Toronto’s community development grants. He was the only member of council to do so. He also opposed accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Ottawa for an anti-gang initiative that cost Toronto nothing. He lost that vote 33-1.</div></div>

I missed that one I'd like to hear the actual words he used to justify his vote... on the other hand.... </div></div>

I have never been to Toronto but I am under the impression that it is a very diverse city. I don't understand how some one like that was elected. </div></div>

Let me break it down for you. If you walk down the street or ride the subway, yes this looks like a very diverse city. Walk into many of the major corporations and trust me any positions from Manager to CEO are filled by mostly White males....believe you me I see it all the time. How can a city be considered to be diverse when the bastions of power are still lily White.

Also...mi figet de next point...back when I remember.

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Okay I remember now. Hiring practices are still very racist. I once worked for a company that at the time was located in Etobicoke. To the North was Rexdale with a very diverse population, to the west was Mississauga and Malton with a very diverse population and to the North west was Brampton...you get it...very diverse population. Yet most of the employees were from what were at the time lilly White communities.....Georgetown, Oakville, Caledon....etc.

I haven't visited lately but the last time I did an assignment for them, the picture had not changed. There were very few people of colour.

Working there was TOTAL hell if you weren't white and you didn't kiss batty. White folks who were high school dropouts were promotes over visible minorities with experience and education. This city is in a mess. Visible minorities are locked out of the seats of power and I don't see anything changing soon

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

I don't know how similar Toronto is to Boston. But I remember how things went in Boston. There would be a lot of immigration from a specific region or country. The majority of the people would be busting their butts to make a life for themselves and their families. Sometimes this would mean parents working multiple jobs. Some of the kids worked hard at getting and education and assimilating. Some kids would work hard hard at assimilating into the &quot;thug culture&quot; in the areas that economics forced the parents to live in. There would be some high profile crimes like dive by shootings, home invasions etc and many people would point fingers at every one from that country. In the 80's it was Jamaicans's and Dominicans. In the 90's it was Cape Verdians and Vietnamese.

[Tropicana]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sometimes this would mean parents working multiple jobs. </div></div>

Yes some do it out of necessity and others to send barrels back to Ja. to impress relatives with how well they are doing.

One problem that I have not seen addressed elsewhere are the factories that have workers on permanent 3 - 11 shift. Just who is supposed to be supervising the children and teens, seeing to it that they do their homework, get home at a decent hour and stay out of trouble. Believe you me it takes a TON of effort to see to it that kids stay up to date in school. I used to call it the homework wars. These companies are heartless to put profits ahead of family welfare. Shame on them. Chickens are coming home to roost.

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jamaica_dreamin</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nunya</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everytime I see that ahole on tv, my first response is 'ugh!'

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The mayor recently voted against every one of Toronto’s community development grants. He was the only member of council to do so. He also opposed accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Ottawa for an anti-gang initiative that cost Toronto nothing. He lost that vote 33-1.</div></div>

I missed that one I'd like to hear the actual words he used to justify his vote... on the other hand.... </div></div>

I have never been to Toronto but I am under the impression that it is a very diverse city. I don't understand how some one like that was elected. </div></div>

Let me break it down for you. If you walk down the street or ride the subway, yes this looks like a very diverse city. Walk into many of the major corporations and trust me any positions from Manager to CEO are filled by mostly White males....believe you me I see it all the time. How can a city be considered to be diverse when the bastions of power are still lily White.

Also...mi figet de next point...back when I remember.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Edited to Add:</span>

Okay I remember now. Hiring practices are still very racist. I once worked for a company that at the time was located in Etobicoke. To the North was Rexdale with a very diverse population, to the west was Mississauga and Malton with a very diverse population and to the North west was Brampton...you get it...very diverse population. Yet most of the employees were from what were at the time lilly White communities.....Georgetown, Oakville, Caledon....etc.

I haven't visited lately but the last time I did an assignment for them, the picture had not changed. There were very few people of colour.

Working there was TOTAL hell if you weren't white and you didn't kiss batty. White folks who were high school dropouts were promotes over visible minorities with experience and education. This city is in a mess. Visible minorities are locked out of the seats of power and I don't see anything changing soon </div></div>

Thank you.

[Tropicana]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

One more thing, there was a time when that company's major competitors were doing better w.r.t. diversity. The joke was that you could find more visible minorities in an elevator over there than you could find in the whole company where I was working.

I notice one of the companies has gone way downhill. The visible minority managers and directors have been laid off. The last time I worked for them, in a room full of directors and VPs, there was one Asian (from the Montreal office) and the VP had an executive assistant from the Caribbean (she wasn't black). Other than that it was ALL white and there were about 3 women in a room of over 40 senior managers.

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One more thing, there was a time when that company's major competitors were doing better w.r.t. diversity. The joke was that you could find more visible minorities in an elevator over there than you could find in the whole company where I was working.

I notice one of the companies has gone way downhill. The visible minority managers and directors have been laid off. The last time I worked for them, in a room full of directors and VPs, there was one Asian (from the Montreal office) and the VP had an executive assistant from the Caribbean (she wasn't black). Other than that it was ALL white and there were about 3 women in a room of over 40 senior managers. </div></div>

I have to admit as a white, American born person I am not going see everything that a person who is not white and or foreign born may see. The health care industry in South Florida appears to have embraced diversity. Every where that I have worked or even interviewed has had black ((American and foreign born) and Latino women in managerial positions, though certain places in Miami clearly are biased against non Hispanics.

I do not know if this is true of the business world.

[Tropicana]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

I can't comment on diversity in Florida but your stand your ground law terrifies me. I was down your neck of the woods a couple of months ago. Because I am a foreigner, I guess people felt free to spout. I didn't find even ONE white person who did not support Zimmermann. Every last one of them bought the lie that Trayvon was the aggressor with and he must have had an attitude or Zimmermann would not follow him.

Not even ONE White person I ran into supported Trayvon...terrifying or what. Trust me, they would not have felt comfortable spouting off like that to an African American with an American accent. Little has changed since when I went to grad school in the USA.

Which reminds me, I have done diversity workshops for a number of Canadian companies. It has happened to me a number of times that someone has asked to speak with me privately. They have confided that they are light skinned Blacks and when they first meet people and they don't realize they are Black, they spew all kind of racist venom and horribly racist jokes. They have had to in the work setting say before you go any further, there is something you should know. It has made their time at work very uncomfortable.

They basically let me know &quot;Don't let the smiles fool you&quot; as some of the very people in the workshop who were coming across as embracing diversity were the ones spouting the racist garbage.

[jamaica_dreamin]

Re: Unno ovaweight mayor seh immagrants a de problem

Re the stand your ground law. I do believe people should have the right to defend them selves not to just kill who ever they feel like killing.I believe Zimmerman intentionally committed cold blooded murder.

As far as gun laws go there needs to be reasonable laws that allow a person to protect them self and protects the public from people like Zimmerman. I took an NRA class back in the 90's. At that time the law in MA was that if some one broke into your home you were only supposed to shoot them if you had no means to escape. I do not agree with that. Nor do I believe that a person should be shot for being a black kid wearing a hoodie.

I do not support Zimmerman.