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yuh kno mii neva sey awl blakk peeps ave criminal recards. de qwestian mii raisinn iss cah aff institutional racism a dispropotionatelee amount aff blakk peeps ave criminal recards ann dat shood natt preclude dem fram avinn weapon iff dem served thyme. itt bout restorinn dem full citizenship rite instead aff usinn itt fe mekk dem secand class citizens -
da joke iss dat wild itt enslaved, itt can awlso be used fe freed da enslaved. dat wass y de slave owners feared de constitution. dem blakk civil rites lawyers ovatand itt dat y used boat side aff de argument fe argue fe blakk equalitee.Originally posted by Rollin_Calf View PostEff a laff a pop. blu using argument from a document written by slave owners (who in the very same document that the second amendment appears also declared their slaves to be 3/5 human) to make his point.
Blu, yuh slip showing boss....
secand amendment was used fe preserved slaveree widd de argument fe a well armed state militia ann de rites aff de peeps fe keep ann bear arm dat shood natt bee infringed. dat wass bout slave patrol militia. realitee itt wass bout passinn laws fe mekk sure de slave owners cood supressed blakks
de prablem fe oyinbo iss wen blakks were cansidared citizens ann entitled to de rite to bear arm, scared oyinbo passed racist laws fe restrict blakk peeps rites. dat y de court add to acknowledge dat laws passed fe control gun ownershipp were racist. imagine oyinbo judges seyinn gun control laws were racist fe protect oyinbo rite fe bear arm. iff yu ovatand de contradiction den yuh shood ovatand y mii use racist argument fe argue fe equalitee
strang blakk man nuh wear slip butt know oww fe use slave owners arguments fe defend blakk peeps ritesComment
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realitee iss dat sum aff de racist oyinbo wey wrote itt wass scared aff manumission cah dat wood lowe de constitution fe free slaves inn souther slave owninn states. fram dem tarted fe free slaves woo serve inn de military, oyinbo slave owners fear dat congress cood used dat power fe free enslaved afrikkans iff war started. yu saw wat lincoln didd fe justifii free slavesOriginally posted by RichD View Postyuh ready to wrap yuhself in oyinbo racist constitution when it suit yuh eh.
the constitution nuh come don from above so what man give man can tek wey
wild itt racist itt can be used fe argue against racism. wat man give man can tekk away butt itt can awlso be used fe check racist oyinbo
realitee iss blakk peeps widd gun scare racist oyinbo so y defend gun cantrol argument fe disarm sum blakk wen itt oyinbo woo wrote racist laws give peeps rite. nra argue dat iff de afrikkans were armed oyinbo wood natt ave enslaved ann xxploited afrikkans. mii onlee defend de parts aff dem argument mii agree widdComment
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The Secret History of Guns
The Ku Klux Klan, Ronald Reagan, and, for most of its history, the NRA all worked to control guns. The Founding Fathers? They required gun ownership—and regulated it. And no group has more fiercely advocated the right to bear loaded weapons in public than the Black Panthers—the true pioneers of the modern pro-gun movement. In the battle over gun rights in America, both sides have distorted history and the law, and there’s no resolution in sight.
The eighth-grade students gathering on the west lawn of the state capitol in Sacramento were planning to lunch on fried chicken with California’s new governor, Ronald Reagan, and then tour the granite building constructed a century earlier to resemble the nation’s Capitol. But the festivities were interrupted by the arrival of 30 young black men and women carrying .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns, and .45-caliber pistols.
The 24 men and six women climbed the capitol steps, and one man, Bobby Seale, began to read from a prepared statement. “The American people in general and the black people in particular,” he announced, must
take careful note of the racist California legislature aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless Black people have begged, prayed, petitioned, demonstrated, and everything else to get the racist power structure of America to right the wrongs which have historically been perpetuated against black people The time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late.
Seale then turned to the others. “All right, brothers, come on. We’re going inside.” He opened the door, and the radicals walked straight into the state’s most important government building, loaded guns in hand. No metal detectors stood in their way.
It was May 2, 1967, and the Black Panthers’ invasion of the California statehouse launched the modern gun-rights movement.
The text of the Second Amendment is maddeningly ambiguous. It merely says, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Yet to each side in the gun debate, those words are absolutely clear.
Gun-rights supporters believe the amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms and outlaws most gun control. Hard-line gun-rights advocates portray even modest gun laws as infringements on that right and oppose widely popular proposals—such as background checks for all gun purchasers—on the ground that any gun-control measure, no matter how seemingly reasonable, puts us on the slippery slope toward total civilian disarmament.
This attitude was displayed on the side of the National Rifle Association’s former headquarters: THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. The first clause of the Second Amendment, the part about “a well regulated Militia,” was conveniently omitted. To the gun lobby, the Second Amendment is all rights and no regulation.
Although decades of electoral defeats have moderated the gun-control movement’s stated goals, advocates still deny that individual Americans have any constitutional right to own guns. The Second Amendment, in their view, protects only state militias. Too politically weak to force disarmament on the nation, gun-control hard-liners support any new law that has a chance to be enacted, however unlikely that law is to reduce gun violence. For them, the Second Amendment is all regulation and no rights.
While the two sides disagree on the meaning of the Second Amendment, they share a similar view of the right to bear arms: both see such a right as fundamentally inconsistent with gun control, and believe we must choose one or the other. Gun rights and gun control, however, have lived together since the birth of the country. Americans have always had the right to keep and bear arms as a matter of state constitutional law. Today, 43 of the 50 state constitutions clearly protect an individual’s right to own guns, apart from militia service.
Yet we’ve also always had gun control. The Founding Fathers instituted gun laws so intrusive that, were they running for office today, the NRA would not endorse them. While they did not care to completely disarm the citizenry, the founding generation denied gun ownership to many people: not only slaves and free blacks, but law-abiding white men who refused to swear loyalty to the Revolution.
For those men who were allowed to own guns, the Founders had their own version of the “individual mandate” that has proved so controversial in President Obama’s health-care-reform law: they required the purchase of guns. A 1792 federal law mandated every eligible man to purchase a military-style gun and ammunition for his service in the citizen militia. Such men had to report for frequent musters—where their guns would be inspected and, yes, registered on public rolls.
Opposition to gun control was what drove the black militants to visit the California capitol with loaded weapons in hand. The Black Panther Party had been formed six months earlier, in Oakland, by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. Like many young African Americans, Newton and Seale were frustrated with the failed promise of the civil-rights movement. Brown v. Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were legal landmarks, but they had yet to deliver equal opportunity. In Newton and Seale’s view, the only tangible outcome of the civil-rights movement had been more violence and oppression, much of it committed by the very entity meant to protect and serve the public: the police.
Inspired by the teachings of Malcolm X, Newton and Seale decided to fight back. Before he was assassinated in 1965, Malcolm X had preached against Martin Luther King Jr.’s brand of nonviolent resistance. Because the government was “either unable or unwilling to protect the lives and property” of blacks, he said, they had to defend themselves “by whatever means necessary.” Malcolm X illustrated the idea for Ebony magazine by posing for photographs in suit and tie, peering out a window with an M-1 carbine semiautomatic in hand. Malcolm X and the Panthers described their right to use guns in self-defense in constitutional terms. “Article number two of the constitutional amendments,” Malcolm X argued, “provides you and me the right to own a rifle or a shotgun.”
Guns became central to the Panthers’ identity, as they taught their early recruits that “the gun is the only thing that will free us—gain us our liberation.” They bought some of their first guns with earnings from selling copies of Mao Zedong’s Little Red Book to students at the University of California at Berkeley. In time, the Panther arsenal included machine guns; an assortment of rifles, handguns, explosives, and grenade launchers; and “boxes and boxes of ammunition,” recalled Elaine Brown, one of the party’s first female members, in her 1992 memoir. Some of this matériel came from the federal government: one member claimed he had connections at Camp Pendleton, in Southern California, who would sell the Panthers anything for the right price. One Panther bragged that, if they wanted, they could have bought an M48 tank and driven it right up the freeway.
Along with providing classes on black nationalism and socialism, Newton made sure recruits learned how to clean, handle, and shoot guns. Their instructors were sympathetic black veterans, recently home from Vietnam. For their “righteous revolutionary struggle,” the Panthers were trained, as well as armed, however indirectly, by the U.S. government.
Civil-rights activists, even those committed to nonviolent resistance, had long appreciated the value of guns for self-protection. Martin Luther King Jr. applied for a permit to carry a concealed firearm in 1956, after his house was bombed. His application was denied, but from then on, armed supporters guarded his home.
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Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
lonwolf yuh can buy a cyaar widdout registerinn itt iff yuh nah go use itt pon public road. wild de laws on registration vary fram state to state, ar yuh seyinn dat wear yu reside peeps affi register de guns dem buy ar dem affi register fe buy guns cah dat two diffarant ting ann mii nuh clear pon dat?Comment
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As cold as this seems.. let the yankis keep their guns....Imagine if they stopped any of these assault weapons making them illegal.. what would happen to current stocks ???? alot would be exported south..Comment
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nuh lass ear mii read ja guv afficals cumplaininn bout merikkann guns wey beinn sold inn ja.Originally posted by Wahalla View PostComment
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Cold?!? We Yanks need no pity from those that are comfortable having their freedoms taken away, and governed as they are children not able to think for themselves by a totalitarian government...as you and others are.Originally posted by Wahalla View Post
And SUDDENLY SOUTH OF THE US BORDER gun violence would go up? Can it get much higher than it is now? Mexico through latin America, have some of the toughest gun laws in the world, but gun violence is still at epidemic proportions. The Venezuelan capital of Caracas saw over 3,400 murders last year. Jamaica has very tough gun laws, has that stopped the violence?
...and, in the US, GUN VIOLENCE IS PREDOMINATELY A MINORITY PROBLEM, found in US cities with an minority population. This is where the gun violence and the body count is found. The stats are there. Look them up for yourself. I deal in facts and not conjecture...a very small part of the US population is responsible for ALL of the gun violence. There is one stunning relation to COUNTRIES SOUTH OF THE US BORDER, AND THE US, AND THAT IS POVERTY AND GUN CRIME GO HAND IN HAND.
...and, assault rifles are rarely used in crimes in the US.
In the United States today Americans lawfully own an estimated 20-30 million rifles which are commonly used and often misconstrued by the media, politicians, and gun control advocates as “assault rifles.”Here are some facts about these rifles. Thanks to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) for some of the facts below: (note that the NSSF has labeled these rifles “Modern Sporting Rifles” (MSR).
Also note: there is an estimated 100 Million lawfully owned rifles of all types in the United States.
- AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.
- AR-15 and other MSR style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic and more commonly referred to as a machine gun. Machine guns have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934, obtaining a permit to own one is an arduous, time intensive and expensive process.
- There are many civilian variants of MSR’s that resemble the famous AK-47. Just as the AR-15 is semi-auto only, these AK type MSR’s are also semi-automatic, they are not fully automatic machine guns and are no more powerful than any other common rifle.
- The AR in “AR-15″ rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
- MSR style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16 and AK-47 but function like any other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.
- Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.
- These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms and are very fun to shoot.
- These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. And they’re used for target shooting in the national matches.
- AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. Lawful gun owners in the U.S. own an estimated 5-10 million of them.
- Depending on the definition there are an estimated 20-30 million lawfully owned Modern Sporting Rifles in the U.S. These include AK’s, HK’s, SKS’s, and all other types of modern sporting rifles.
Who owns these rifles? Here are some more facts, once again from the NSSF.
- Nearly half (44 percent) of MSR owners are current or former military or law enforcement members.
- 30 percent of all MSR owners purchased their first rifle in 2009 or 2010.
- 99 percent of all MSR owners owned some type of firearm prior to their first MSR purchase.
- The typical MSR owner is 35-plus years old, married and has some college education.
Now let’s take a look at some crime numbers. If one were to believe our President and those who align with him by calling for a renewed AWB we would be led to think that these “automatic weapons” are being used on a daily basis by violent criminals to kill scores of Americans.
As usual with most things said by the control crowd, it’s simply not true. (The following numbers are from 2009, which is the last time the FBI released a complete statistical data set.)
- Since 1980 there has been a steady decade by decade drop in violent crime in the United States.
- In the last year reported – 2009 there were a total of 13,636 murders in the United States; this reflects a total drop of 59% from 1980.
- Rifles of all types were used for less than 2.5% of the total murders.
- Of this >2.5% it is not known how many included MSR’s as that is not reported. Based on simple math we can conclude that approximately 25% of all rifles owned in the U.S. are MSR’s. Therefore we can guesstimate that number at approximately .625%
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Let me try to clarify. (that is if I correctly undertstand your question)Originally posted by blugiant View Post
A person in the state of Maryland must FIRST PASS A BACK GROUND CHECK before taking possession of any handgun or assault rifle, this check is instituted by the MARYLAND STATE POLICE.
Example: John Smith enters gun store. John Smith picks out Glock semi automatic 9mm pistol. John Smith fills out Maryland state police background check form. Form is than mailed to Maryland state police for varification, to see if John Smith has a criminal back ground. STORE OWNER KEEPS POSSESSION OF FIREARM UNTIL APPROVED FORM IS SENT BACK. John Smith's form is sent back within specific time period, either approved or denied. If approved, transaction is than completed, and John Smith takes possesion of firearm.
(even a drunk driving arrest is considered criminal activity and applications are denied)
Hunting rifle or shotgun can be bought over the counter that day without a back ground check, BUT! buyer must fill out a Federal Firearms Form required by the federal government for simple record keeping of where and who possessed that firearm. A.T.F (Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms) could, and would enter a store owners gun business and hand the owner a serial number of any specific weapon that the store owner had sold, and demand that record (form) of who took possesion of that firearm.
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racism ting, natt a minority ting. oww yuh define gun violence does itt include gun dealers woo sell guns illegallee to gangs woo ar respansible fe moas aff de gun violence? imagine oyinbo mad gunman go school ann murder likkle yuths ann de prablem aff gun violence iss a minoritee ting.Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
The fear inspired by black people with guns
Political will in Congress reached the critical point around this time. In April of 1968, James Earl Ray, a virulent racist, used a Remington Gamemaster deer rifle to kill Martin Luther King Jr. in Memphis, Tennessee. King’s assassination—and the sniper fire faced by police trying to quell the resulting riots—gave gun-control advocates a vivid argument. Two months later, a man wielding a .22-caliber Iver Johnson Cadet revolver shot Robert F. Kennedy in Los Angeles. The very next day, Congress passed the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, the first federal gun-control law in 30 years. Months later, the Gun Control Act of 1968 amended and enlarged it.
Together, these laws greatly expanded the federal licensing system for gun dealers and clarified which people—including anyone previously convicted of a felony, the mentally ill, illegal-drug users, and minors—were not allowed to own firearms. More controversially, the laws restricted importation of “Saturday Night Specials”—the small, cheap, poor-quality handguns so named by Detroit police for their association with urban crime, which spiked on weekends. Because these inexpensive pistols were popular in minority communities, one critic said the new federal gun legislation “was passed not to control guns but to control blacks.”
Indisputably, for much of American history, gun-control measures, like many other laws, were used to oppress African Americans. The South had long prohibited blacks, both slave and free, from owning guns. In the North, however, at the end of the Civil War, the Union army allowed soldiers of any color to take home their rifles. Even blacks who hadn’t served could buy guns in the North, amid the glut of firearms produced for the war. President Lincoln had promised a “new birth of freedom,” but many blacks knew that white Southerners were not going to go along easily with such a vision. As one freedman in Louisiana recalled, “I would say to every colored soldier, ‘Bring your gun home.’”
After losing the Civil War, Southern states quickly adopted the Black Codes, laws designed to reestablish white supremacy by dictating what the freedmen could and couldn’t do. One common provision barred blacks from possessing firearms. To enforce the gun ban, white men riding in posses began terrorizing black communities. In January 1866, Harper’s Weekly reported that in Mississippi, such groups had “seized every gun and pistol found in the hands of the (so called) freedmen” in parts of the state. The most infamous of these disarmament posses, of course, was the Ku Klux Klan.
The Fourteenth Amendment illustrates a common dynamic in America’s gun culture: extremism stirs a strong reaction. The aggressive Southern effort to disarm the freedmen prompted a constitutional amendment to better protect their rights. A hundred years later, the Black Panthers’ brazen insistence on the right to bear arms led whites, including conservative Republicans, to support new gun control. Then the pendulum swung back. The gun-control laws of the late 1960s, designed to restrict the use of guns by urban black leftist radicals, fueled the rise of the present-day gun-rights movement—one that, in an ironic reversal, is predominantly white, rural, and politically conservative.
de gun cantrol debate as usual cum back to oyinbo fear aff blakks ann fe cantrol blakks dat y oyinbo can mekk argument oww assualt weapons ar safe ann issues dat need fe bee address iss de guns blakks buyComment
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yessOriginally posted by lonewolf View Post
background check to buy weapon butt no gun registration
de irony iss dat drunk driving canviction doan bar moas peeps fram drivinn butt itt bar dem fram owninn guns even dough car accidents kill ann injured more peeps dan gun violence. now iff mii wanted fe push racist argument mii wood argue dat oyinbo driving kill ann injured more peeps dan gun violence so dat a majaritee prablemComment
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Black murder is so common it does not even make the news. It is an accepted practice that blacks kill each other. White murder makes the news because it's unusual, and assault rifles used in a murder is not the norm.blugiant;682517]racism ting, natt a minority ting. oww yuh define gun violence does itt include gun dealers woo sell guns illegallee to gangs woo ar respansible fe moas aff de gun violence? imagine oyinbo mad gunman go school ann murder likkle yuths ann de prablem aff gun violence iss a minoritee ting.
Chicago Homicide Rate Already Outpacing 2012 Killings In First Week Of 2013
Only eight days into 2013, Chicago is already on a grim pace to not only continue the bloody trend of an elevated homicide rate -- but to surpass it.
NBC Chicago pointed out that, as of Sunday, 12 people had been murdered in Chicago this year, which, at a rate of two a day, but the city on a pace for a devastating 730 homicides, higher than any one-year murder total in Chicago since 1997.
By comparison, New York City has logged seven murders through Jan. 7, its first of the year on Jan. 3. Detroit had six homicides this year through Sunday, according to NBCLast year, 506 homicides were logged in Chicago, only 25 percent of which were either solved, as of Friday, or cleared "exceptionally," according to DNAinfo. McCarthy blamed the low clearance rate rate on a pervasive "no-snitch code."
blugiant de gun cantrol debate as usual cum back to oyinbo fear aff blakks ann fe cantrol blakks dat y oyinbo can mekk argument oww assualt weapons ar safe ann issues dat need fe bee address iss de guns blakks buy
You have lost your mind...whites don't care what guns black people buy. Blacks are not a real threat to whites, but they are a real threat to each other. The stats of black on black crime and murder rate back up this fact. I told you before, I deal in facts, and you deal in your own little perverted, wacked out world of fantasy.Last edited by lonewolf; 01-19-2013, 06:09 PM.Comment
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i did a quick search and found this
2000 white on white murder - 4,643 black on black murder - 4,298
2001 white on white murder - 4,813 black on black murder - 4,301
2002 white on white murder - 4,795 black on black murder - 4,365
2003 white on white murder - 4,645 black on black murder - 4,367
2004 white on white murder - 4,761 black on black murder - 4,201
2005 white on white murder - 4,755 black on black murder - 4,497
When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....Comment
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These numbers are alarming when you consider that white Americans outnumber black Americans by nearly 8 to 1, yet the murders by/against the respective races is almost equal in numbers.Originally posted by RichD View Posti did a quick search and found this
2000 white on white murder - 4,643 black on black murder - 4,298
2001 white on white murder - 4,813 black on black murder - 4,301
2002 white on white murder - 4,795 black on black murder - 4,365
2003 white on white murder - 4,645 black on black murder - 4,367
2004 white on white murder - 4,761 black on black murder - 4,201
2005 white on white murder - 4,755 black on black murder - 4,497
Obviously there are underlying reassons for these stats that need to be addressed.Last edited by My Looh; 01-19-2013, 07:41 PM.Comment
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This is exactly the reason why people who want to purchase a gun need to take a course on how to safely handle, fire and store their weapons and amunition.
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