Another question for the men re: beauty and brains?

[franksterr]

To quote blugiant....dis mek me laff.

You are calling ME unintelligent when you can't even read. This is my opening post.

I deliberately took the ugly card off the table at the start as I know some a onoo SO shallow that you would play it.

At NO time did I say all men only want sexy looking partners...I did say that the rich and successful guys seem to put a premium on this above all else. They also seem to fear women who are their equals.

I am not stupid enough to say this to anyone's face....

So maybe I can't read at least I am not supporting coward golddigging deceivers.

.... and at least I can read.

is it helping you get your man?

[Tropicana]

Read my lips...anybody can get a man if they set their standards low enough. I am holding out for the RIGHT man. Seen? Wanting to be with someone who is our equal or better in terms of intelligence, education, and career success ensures a higher level of compatibility and long term marital success. Looks will fade and boobs will sag with time so that is a ridiculous basis on which to select a partner. Character lasts a lifetime.

Nothing wrong with presenting oneself in a clean and tidy manner and wearing make up. There IS something wrong with displaying the merchandise and dropping baggy when you don't even know someone. I saw stats on the number of couples who get busy on the first or second date and I was

[franksterr]

Read my lips...anybody can get a man if they set their standards low enough. I am holding out for the RIGHT man. Seen?

Not a man your man?

Mr Right do not exist......but to each his own - if that what you want go for it.

Wanting to be with someone who is our equal or better in terms of intelligence, education, and career success ensures a higher level of compatibility and long term marital success. Looks will fade and boobs will sag with time so that is a ridiculous basis on which to select a partner. Character lasts a lifetime.

Thats your opinion, just as looks will fade and boobs sag so too weatlh can fritter away and careers lost...character too can and will change. Life offers only one guarantee - change

Nothing wrong with presenting oneself in a clean and tidy manner and wearing make up. There IS something wrong with displaying the merchandise and dropping baggy when you don't even know someone. I saw stats on the number of couples who get busy on the first or second date and I was

Too a woman maybe, but many a man find that woman that shows it off free spirited, confident and liberated - hippie

[Tropicana]

Franksterr, I have been married before and if a man is not your equal or better in terms of drive for success, education etc., it does present huge problems in the relationship.

Maybe a man is okay with some bimbo with whom he cannot even carry on a conversation but this does not work for most women.

Character is the one thing that is relatively stable over the long haul. Looks definitely aren't and financial stability and career success have far more longevity than looks.

You are like some men in our community who feel a woman should carry them. Not me baby. It will make your back break. Believe you me....I know of what I speak.

You definitely seem like the type who would opt for some bimbo.

[franksterr]

Franksterr, I have been married before and if a man is not your equal or better in terms of drive for success, education etc., it does present huge problems in the relationship.

What is success?
So are you willing to exchange respect for success?
Is education more important than someone who cares?

Maybe a man is okay with some bimbo with whom he cannot even carry on a conversation but this does not work for most women.

Men have been marrying women less educated themselves for generations....so its not a problem for most men.
So now educated women are too good for lesser educated men?

Character is the one thing that is relatively stable over the long haul. Looks definitely aren't and financial stability and career success have far more longevity than looks.

The point I am making is be true to who you are and seek your bliss....social conventions of what is right will not deliver happiness.

Character is usually stable....People grow apart usually because one is or has changed whilst the other is stuck,
Looks.... if you and someone is growing old together it may not matter as much(values change with age)...but to wake to some who is not what she seemed the day before is shocking.
Of what value is Financial security if you not happy or enjoying life

You are like some men in our community who feel a woman should carry them. Not me baby. It will make your back break. Believe you me....I know of what I speak.

Men have carried women for yrs whats wrong with women returning the pleasure?

You definitely seem like the type who would opt for some bimbo.

If she makes me happy and is fun to be with and I do the same for her......why not?

Few hollywood marriages work because both partners are full of drive
Drive is good but it should not be first.

The drive for success often but not always means that social relationships come second.
It may also mean he or she is all about me.
Travel can mean days weeks or months apart.
Education can mean some one who is cold and not in touch with himself or worse reality...dwells in his own ivory tower - head.
May I suggest you adjust your search parameters and include courage, truthfulness, genuineness, mutual respect and acceptance, willingness to share and communicate - in other words be real

Remember though to thine ownself be true is the second greatest commandment.

[Tropicana]

So are you willing to exchange respect for success?
Is education more important than someone who cares?

Heck no!

Men have been marrying women less educated themselves for generations....so its not a problem for most men.
So now educated women are too good for lesser educated men?

It has nothing to do with better or worse than. It is about actually having something in common with your partner....compatibility.

Men have carried women for yrs whats wrong with women returning the pleasure?

Few hollywood marriages work because both partners are full of drive

NO it is because people marry on the basis of looks, cup size, etc.

May I suggest you adjust your search parameters and include courage, truthfulness, genuineness, mutual respect and acceptance, willingness to share and communicate - in other words be real

It is impossible to judge those qualities until you know someone for a very long time.

Remember though to thine ownself be true is the second greatest commandment.

Really? Chapter and verse please?

[franksterr]

Heck no!

Thats a moral value

It has nothing to do with better or worse than. It is about actually having something in common with your partner....compatibility.

Nothing is wrong with compatibility....what is troubling is that you seem put a greater onus on education (social status-class) and career success (money/wealth) than respect (decency) and genuine care (compassion/acceptance/understanding).

I guess to you men were dummies for having carried women economical for yrs

NO it is because people marry on the basis of looks, cup size, etc.

I think the reason given for most divorce is Communication and Money issues.
Looks cups size is not even on the chart.

It is impossible to judge those qualities until you know someone for a very long time.

Not true....look for the reason behind the little things he does or doesn't do

Really? Chapter and verse please?

Hamlet act 1 scene 3

[Tropicana]

Thats a moral value

Nothing is wrong with compatibility....what is troubling is that you seem put a greater onus on education (social status-class) and career success (money/wealth) than respect (decency) and genuine care (compassion/acceptance/understanding).

Hello! Hello! The lights are on but nobody appears to be home.




A blonde bimbo would probably be a perfect fit for you. One more time.

Read my lips! ".... respect (decency) and genuine care (compassion/acceptance/understanding)..." are the qualities that count over the long haul along with excellent communication skills and empathy

BUT


it is impossible to assess those qualities when one first meets someone. They take a VERY long time to assess so they can't possibly be the basis of an initial screening. (Unless you are one of those guys who thinks a woman should go out with ANYBODY who asks them.) So as an initial screening, one can only go by other important ingredients in the compatibility mix like education, career stability and success, and common interests. Whether you like it or not poverty and marriage do not go well together so a woman would be a fool to not consider financial stability when assessing potential partners.

I guess to you men were dummies for having carried women economical for yrs

Sex ed 101 Did your parents never tell you that men and women are not the same. In case they didn't heads up, their anatomy is not the same and their role in a relationship is not the same. A woman as the primary bread winner is a recipe for disaster unless it is of a very short duration. Believe you me, I know of what I speak!

I think the reason given for most divorce is Communication and Money issues.
Looks cups size is not even on the chart.

No most men select the women they date based on superficial qualities like looks, cup size and whether or not she gives them an instant....

So you admit that money issues are a key contributor to divorce.

YES! FINALLY!


HELLO! So why do you call women gold-diggers when they sensibly factor financial stability into the equation when they assess partners?

Not true....look for the reason behind the little things he does or doesn't do



Hamlet act 1 scene 3

You've lost me here.

[franksterr]

Hello! Hello! The lights are on but nobody appears to be home.




A blonde bimbo would probably be a perfect fit for you. One more time.

Give me a blonde bimbo anytime over a cold calculating golddigger, who will not be there for her man when he needs her because she believe that a man must always be the primary bread winner.

Read my lips! ".... respect (decency) and genuine care (compassion/acceptance/understanding)..." are the qualities that count over the long haul along with excellent communication skills and empathy

BUT


it is impossible to assess those qualities when one first meets someone. They take a VERY long time to assess so they can't possibly be the basis of an initial screening. (Unless you are one of those guys who thinks a woman should go out with ANYBODY who asks them.) So as an initial screening, one can only go by other important ingredients in the compatibility mix like education, career stability and success, and common interests. Whether you like it or not poverty and marriage do not go well together so a woman would be a fool to not consider financial stability when assessing potential partners.

Those lying lips need more than reading, how long it take you to know if the man have a drive for success? or financially stable?
Whole heap a poor people married, most married people poor and nearly all a dem start out poor....what are you talking about

Sex ed 101 Did your parents never tell you that men and women are not the same. In case they didn't heads up, their anatomy is not the same and their role in a relationship is not the same. A woman as the primary bread winner is a recipe for disaster unless it is of a very short duration. Believe you me, I know of what I speak!

Yes but they have A lot more in common than they differ....sound to me like you want a man fi nyam out

and dem run wi lef im when the money done.....as in NEXT

No most men select the women they date based on superficial qualities like looks, cup size and whether or not she gives them an instant....

Of course..... but the reason for divorce is as i said

So you admit that money issues are a key contributor to divorce.

YES! FINALLY!

If you married to a golddigger and de money done what do you expect???

HELLO! So why do you call women gold-diggers when they sensibly factor financial stability into the equation when they assess partners?

Work you own and marry for the reason stated earlier

You've lost me here.

To thine own selfbe true - hamlet

[Tropicana]

Give me a blonde bimbo anytime over a cold calculating golddigger, who will not be there for her man when he needs her because she believe that a man must always be the primary bread winner.

Read my lips. By your own admission, money worries are a major cause of divorce. How is being concerned about financial stability being a golddigger?

Those lying lips need more than reading

You've lost me here.

how long it take you to know if the man have a drive for success? or financially stable?

Easy to tell.

Whole heap a poor people married, most married people poor and nearly all a dem start out poor....what are you talking about

That may have worked in a different era when people worked the land and fed their families. Try raising kids without money today.

Yes but they have A lot more in common than they differ....sound to me like you want a man fi nyam out

and dem run wi lef im when the money done.....as in NEXT

I won't even dignify that with an answer.

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Of course..... but the reason for divorce is as i said

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It is financial pressure due to a lack of money that causes many marriages to unravel.

Work you own and marry for the reason stated earlier


To thine own selfbe true - hamlet

[R_C]

Whether you like it or not poverty and marriage do not go well together so a woman would be a fool to not consider financial stability when assessing potential partners.

Who said money can't buy love ?

[Tropicana]

Money can't buy love but it does remove a major source of stress in marriage.

[R_C]

Money can't buy love but it does remove a major source of stress in marriage.

Could you see yourself falling in love with a man who lives from paycheck to paycheck ?

[Tropicana]

Could you see yourself falling in love with a man who lives from paycheck to paycheck ?

I sure hope not. If I was attracted to someone like that, I would use my common sense and run....not walk to the nearest exit.

[franksterr]

Read my lips. By your own admission, money worries are a major cause of divorce.

Yes if you dealing with a golddigger, some one who is focus on money - it will always be a problem

How is being concerned about financial stability being a golddigger?

If you are willing to work your own then it should not be a concern.

You've lost me here.

Lying lips means some one is being deceptive

Easy to tell.

Since it easy to tell whether or not a man is financially secure and or stable pray tell how??

That may have worked in a different era when people worked the land and fed their families. Try raising kids without money today.

Hold on....poor people stop get married or stay married?

I won't even dignify that with an answer.

The Truth is the truth....here is what I mean about nyam out " I would use my common sense and run....not walk to the nearest exit." and that is in response to a working man albeit pay check to paycheck.

It is financial pressure due to a lack of money that causes many marriages to unravel.

Look even multi millionaires have financial pressures, so it is not the money that is the problem....but the love of money as oppose to the love of your significant other.