Christopher Dorner's Manifesto

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they also know that he intended to be killed too

natt de pint.

weddar dorner intended to be killed iss natt de issue.

didd da police fallowed proper procedures cah iff dem didd natt den settinn fire to da house to burn sumwan to death is homocide. dat y police ar seyinn dem didd natt intentionallee set da house on fire. dorner's pyre death raises more qwestian bout police misconduct. imagine dorner's death iss now being spinned bye de police cah itt raises qwestian weddar dey murdered imm.

[RichD]

natt de pint.

weddar dorner intended to be killed iss natt de issue.

didd da police fallowed proper procedures cah iff dem didd natt den settinn fire to da house to burn sumwan to death is homocide. dat y police ar seyinn dem didd natt intentionallee set da house on fire. dorner's pyre death raises more qwestian bout police misconduct. imagine dorner's death iss now being spinned bye de police cah itt raises qwestian weddar dey murdered imm.

so if dem really set fire to the house they deserve to be charged with murder. and deserve to be charged with stupidity for takin about it on the radio

[RichD]

Christopher Dorner standoff: Police didn’t burn cabin on purpose, sheriff says

Body believed to be ex-cop Dorner was found in cabin’s ashes but hasn’t been conclusively identified yet.

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Authorities stand at the site of a burnt-out cabin near Angelus Oaks, Calif., on Wednesday, where police believe they engaged in a shootout with fugitive former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner on Tuesday.





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SAN BERNARDINO, CALIF.—A cabin in the mountains above Los Angeles where fugitive and former cop Christopher Dorner is believed to have died following agunfight with police was not purposely set on fire by law enforcement, the San Bernardino County sheriff said on Wednesday.

“It was not done on purpose. We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out,” Sheriff John McMahon said at a news conference.

Investigators had not yet formally identified charred remains found in the burned-out structure, although they are believed to be those of 33-year-old Dorner.

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“I cannot absolutely, positively confirm it’s him,” McMahon said. “The suspect that we were following ... matched his description. His behaviour based on our deputies’ interaction with him inside the vacant cabin was consistent with Mr. Dorner’s activity prior to and we are not currently involved in a manhunt any longer.

“Our coroner’s division is working on trying to confirm the identity through forensics and we should know that at some point here soon,” he said.

Dorner was wanted in a killing spree targeting police officers when a man matching his description was cornered in the cabin in the San Bernardino National Forest on Thursday.

He had been on the run since last Wednesday, when he was named as the prime suspect in the slaying of a couple in Irvine, south of Los Angeles.

The search intensified last Thursday after he was accused of killing of a Riverside police officer and wounding another officer in an ambush about 100 km east of Los Angeles.

Law enforcement converged later that day in the San Bernardino Mountains after a pickup truck identified as Dorner’s was found abandoned and burning in the snow near the ski resort community of Big Bear Lake northeast of Los Angeles.

The ensuing manhunt, stretching from the desert north of the mountains to the Mexican border, was described by Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck as the region’s most extensive ever.

An angry manifesto posted last week on Dorner’s Facebook page claimed that he had been wrongly dismissed from the Los Angeles Police Department in 2008. He vowed to seek revenge by unleashing “unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” on officers and their families.

The cabin where Dorner is believed to have hidden before making his last stand was a short distance from a police command post, in an area where authorities had said they were conducting door-to-door searches of residences.

Tuesday’s climax to the manhunt began when two housekeepers encountered a man believed to have been Dorner inside a vacant cabin in the Big Bear area. The man tied them up and then took off in a purple Nissan parked near the cabin, authorities said.

State game wardens spotted the stolen vehicle and gave chase. The suspect crashed that car, then commandeered a pickup truck at gunpoint from another motorist and traded gunfire with the game wardens as he sped away, authorities said.

The suspect ultimately abandoned the truck and fled into the woods to the cabin, from where he exchanged gunfire with deputies.

During a lull in the shooting, the cabin caught fire and was quickly engulfed in flames.

A Los Angeles-based CBS television affiliate, KCAL, and CNN have broadcast an audio recording of what sounds like police radio chatter during the confrontation, in which voices purported to be officers shout, “Burn it down.”

During his news conference Wednesday, McMahon said the term “burners” was used by law enforcement to refer to tear gas canisters, which were fired into the cabin near the end of the standoff.

The Los Angeles Times reported that authorities had pumped tear gas into the cabin through smashed windows and called for the suspect to surrender but received no response. As police used a demolition vehicle to tear down the walls, they heard a gunshot from inside before the cabin burst into flames, according to the Times report.

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Police Ludicrously Claim Dorner Cabin Fire Was Not Intentional


The San Bernardino Sheriff’s office is ludicrously claiming that the cabin fire which killed Christopher Dorner was not started intentionally, despite numerous references to a plan to “burn down” the building that were heard on police scanners during the standoff.

“It was not on purpose. We didn’t intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr Dorner out,” San Bernardino sheriff’s department spokesman John McMahon told reporters last night.

The part of the press conference where police took questions lasted little longer than five minutes and officials seemed reluctant to give any details, with one question at the end about whether or not police offered Dorner a chance to surrender being ignored.

Police denied intentionally setting fire to the cabin despite an L.A. Times report yesterday which confirmed that after first having used “traditional” tear gas, law enforcement then lobbed CS gas canisters into the cabin, which are “incendiary” and “have significantly more chance of starting a fire.”

McMahon admitted that the second round of CS gas was “pyrotechnic” and that it “does generate a lot of heat,” but claimed that the police scanner audio simply made reference to “burners,” which was just another name for tear gas

In reality, audio recorded from online police scanners, before they were disabled, contains innumerable examples of police discussing a plan to intentionally “burn down” the cabin before the CS gas was thrown in.

Shortly after the first shootout with Dorner, local news channel KCAL broadcast audio during which police are heard saying, “****ing burn this mother****er,” and “burn that ****ing house down.”

In another audio clip broadcast by CBS Los Angeles, police are heard saying, “get the gas, burn it down,” clearly indicating cops knew use of CS gas would set the cabin on fire.

Separate audio includes police discussing “the plan with the burners.” “The burners are deployed, and we have a fire,” says one officer, clearly indicating that the incendiary CS gas was thrown into the cabin in order to set it on fire deliberately.

Police also made no attempt to extinguish the fire once it started despite having fire trucks nearby, again indicating that they wanted to burn Dorner alive. Photos of the cabin taken after the incident show the building burned completely to the ground.

Christopher Dorner’s actions cannot be justified, but neither can those of the police involved in his death, who for days before the standoff were busy shooting at innocent people who looked nothing like Dorner.

If law enforcement officials thought that burning Dorner to death was a reasonable way of dealing with a dangerous murderer then they should hold their hands up and admit to it.

However, the fact that San Bernardino police are brazenly lying in claiming there was no plan to intentionally set fire to the cabin, when police scanner audio clearly suggests otherwise, overwhelmingly indicates that police know that their actions were illegal.

Watch the videos below and decide for yourself whether police intentionally planned to burn the cabin to the ground.

http://www.infowars.com/police-ludicrously-claim-dorner-cabin-fire-was-not-intentional/

Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.

[RichD]

so dem burn the cabin to the ground but dem find his wallet?

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so if dem really set fire to the house they deserve to be charged with murder. and deserve to be charged with stupidity for takin about it on the radio

murder and arson

dat y dem denyinn dat dem set de fire intentionallee

imagine seyinn dat christopher dorner crossed de line wen imm murder peeps even iff imm cumplaints add merit ann den de police tunned runned ann deliberatelee started a fiyah dat cremated a living dorner.

da police didd a dorner cah boat aff dem argued dat de end justifii de mean and dat murder is justifiable even iff itt against da law

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so dem burn the cabin to the ground but dem find his wallet?

probably found by the same guy who found the supposed hijacker's passport in the 9/11 WTC rubble

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o boy!
LAPD firing on innocent civilians because they thought it could perhaps maybe possibly be dorner's vehicle??

obviously ordered to kill this guy on sight...i smell some real expensive lawsuits

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Medical examiners in California say they have positively identified the body of former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner, the man authorities say killed four people over the last two weeks in a campaign of terror against the LAPD. Dorner’s body was found in the burned-out ruins of a California mountain cabin, ending the most extensive manhunt in California’s history. Dorner was chased into the cabin on Tuesday afternoon amidst a massive gun battle in which one San Bernardino County deputy was killed and another badly wounded. Police say the first shot—they first shot conventional tear gas into the cabin, but it failed to force Dorner to flee the house.

AMY GOODMAN: Authorities then shot flammable tear gas canisters into the cabin. The building soon erupted in flames and burned to the ground. Police had been alerted to Dorner’s possible whereabouts after he had broken into a nearby vacation home, tied up a couple there, and made off in their car. The couple managed to free themselves and alert authorities.

Questions are now being raised over whether police intentionally set the cabin on fire. An audio recording from a police scanner appears to show officials from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department planning to deploy "burners."

MALE VOICE: All right, Steve, we’re going to go—we’re going to go forward with the plan, with—with the burner.

MALE VOICE: We want it, uh, like we talked about.

MALE VOICE: Seven of the burners deployed, and we have a fire.

FEMALE VOICE: Copy. Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Police say the phrase "burner" referred to a grenade-like canister containing flammable tear gas. In another recording that was aired live on the TV station KCAL, a police officer can be heard in the background shouting, "We’re going to burn him out," and "Burn it down."

KCAL REPORTER: We do know that authorities were searching for a man in a Dodge pickup truck.

POLICE OFFICER: The last location of the suspect [inaudible].

POLICE OFFICER: We’re going to [bleep] burn him out!"

POLICE OFFICER: [inaudible] I don’t know.

POLICE OFFICER: Let’s burn it down.

POLICE OFFICER: Get going, right now!

POLICE OFFICER: Burn this [bleep]!

KCAL REPORTER: Police officers, understandably, upset.

AMY GOODMAN: On Wednesday, San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon admitted his deputies deployed the highly flammable hot gas canisters, but denied they intentionally started the fire.

SHERIFF JOHN McMAHON: I can tell you that it was not on purpose. We did not intentionally burn down that cabin to get Mr. Dorner out. The tear gas canisters that we used—first off, we used a presence when we showed up. Secondly, we used a cold tear gas. Then we used—the next tear gas was that that was pyrotechnic, does generate a lot of heat. We introduced those canisters into the residence, and a fire erupted.

AMY GOODMAN: We asked a representative from the San Bernardino sheriff’s office to join us, but they declined. But for more, though, we are joined by two guests: Norm Stamper, former police chief of Seattle and the author of Breaking Rank: A Top Cop’s Exposé of the Dark Side of American Policing, and in Washington, D.C., we’re joined by Radley Balko, a senior writer and investigative reporter for The Huffington Post. He’s author of the forthcoming book, Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces, which is due out in July.

We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Chief Stamper, why don’t we start with you, former Police Chief Stamper? Can you react to how the San Bernardino Police Department dealt with—with Dorner, the burning down of the cabin? What is your understanding of what happened and what was used?

NORM STAMPER: Well, I think the sheriff has articulated what might be seen as escalating levels of force. He started with the mere presence of the deputies, presumably surrounding that cabin. Then they used cold tear gas, so-called cold tear gas. And then they went to the pyrotechnic version, or the incendiary version of CS gas. And whether it was intentional or not, a very predictable outcome of deploying seven burners in what appears to have been a wooden cabin would predictably leave it in rubble.

AMY GOODMAN: And what’s your assessment of that? Do you think they should have done that?

NORM STAMPER: You know, I’m not going to second-guess it, but I think over the days and weeks ahead it’s imperative that that agency and the rest of the country, all of us riveted by what happened there, understand what decisions were made and why they were made. I can tell you that I am troubled by the use of incendiary chemical agents. By definition, these pyrotechnic versions of tear gas start fires. They are intended for outdoor use. They are not intended for contained structures, particularly wooden structures.

Another observation that I think bears real careful examination, and that is the almost hysterical command to use those burners. The expletives that were used begin to suggest that emotion rather than professionalism, rather than a calm and deliberate approach to extracting Mr. Dorner, if in fact that was possible, were simply not used.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/15/an_intentional_fire_police_use_of#transcript

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AMY GOODMAN: Our guests are former Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper and Radley Balko, Huffington Post writer, author of the forthcoming, "Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces."

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: I’d like to ask Chief stamper, on this issue you say you have concerns about the use of these incendiary devices. Of course, this is not the first time in a major high-profile police action that we have had these devices used and have raised controversy. It was 20 years ago this year, in 1993, that the FBI used incendiary devices to end their siege of the Branch Davidian complex crisis in Waco. At the time, authorities claimed the cult members intentionally burned down the compound. I want to play a clip of CNN ’s live coverage from April 15, 1993 when that fire had just begun.

REPORTER: Engulfed the vast majority of this compound.

REPORTER: Bonnie, the entire roof is gone.

REPORTER: The entire roof is gone, Mike. What else can you tell us? Any sign of firefighting equipment?

REPORTER: No, none whatsoever. And there is our shot from — you’ll remember, Bonnie, what we referred to as the farm-cam — that is looking from the north side into the compound. Apparently, the north side is not involved yet, but, it appears the rest of the compound is filled with an orange fire and acrid black smoke.

REPORTER: Also, within the past 10 days, past week, federal authorities surrounded the compound, very close to the compound, with razor sharp concertina wire to prevent people from running out. That may, in this case, prove to be hazardous.

REPORTER: Still no sign of anyone coming out, Bonnie.

REPORTER: Mike, at this point, the latest figures we have is that there are 95 people inside, of them 17 are below the age of 10. A total of 25 below the age of 18.

JUAN GONZÁLEZ: That was CNN coverage from 1993 of the FBI siege of the Branch Davidian Compound in Waco, Texas. It was not until much later that federal authorities acknowledged they had used incendiary teargas, but they insisted they did not contribute to the fire that consumed the compound and left their leader, David Koresh, and 54 other adults and 28 children dead.

Chief Stamper, you’re familiar with other incidents around the country where these devices have been used. So there is a, pretty predictable, as you said, result of their use in terms of people who are holed up in a particular — or barricaded in a particular compound.

NORM STAMPER: Yes, I think if you think about the names applied to this particular weaponry — pyrotechnic, incendiary, burners — those all suggest that these devices do in fact start fires. The first thing I thought yesterday and certainly on Wednesday was Branch Davidian and the absolute necessity to learn from these experiences. SWAT officers typically have at their command the use of and frequently do employ so-called flash bangs or concussion grenades. They are cased in paper or soft plastic. They’re not known for starting fires. But what they can do is create great disorientation in the barricaded suspect. I am surprised that that particular technology was not used. And I think it is vital to understand that unless these officers knew for certain that there were no hostages in that cabin, that the use of the pyrotechnics is doubly questionable.

AMY GOODMAN: Radley Balko, can you give us the history of the use of these incendiary devices? They are, in fact, not used that much.

RADLEY BALKO: The incident in Waco, I guess, is the first one that comes to mind. Chief Stamper and I agree on a lot, but I would actually disagree with him on the flash grenades also — there are a number of fires that I have reported on and other people have reported on that were started by flash grenades as well. In this case, were you have an actual — somebody who already killed a lot of people, certainly, I don’t think anyone would object to the flash grenades. They are used pretty frequently in drug raids, people suspected of nonviolent crimes. In there, I think they become a little more problematic.

AMY GOODMAN: The history of them from Waco to MOVE.

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part one

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The evidence so far
So here's what we know:

1) The LAPD engaged in a wild, frenzied attempt to execute Dorner. This resulted in LAPD officers engaging in the attempted murder of innocent civilians, including one surfer and two women in a pickup truck. (Question: Why are LAPD officers who shot at innocent citizens not being charged with attempted murder?)

2) Once Dorner was holed up in a cabin, the LAPD chose to fire tear gas canisters into the home instead of waiting him out and forcing a surrender after a long standoff.

3) LAPD officers know full well that tear gas canisters can set off fires.

4) Once the fire broke out, Dorner was a dead man. If he fled the fire, he would be shot down by the LAPD. If he stayed in the cabin, he would be burned alive. This is the new brand of "justice" the LAPD is dishing out in 2013.

I'm not condoning the actions of Dorner, who appears to have murdered at least four victims. But if the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty -- without a trial or anything resembling due process -- then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that's how they're acting. They can even have their own gang signs that they flash at each other before running another taxpayer-funded drive-by.

Dorner succeeds where the media has failed
Whether Dorner is really dead at this point or somehow managed to escape the fire (a possibility that has been reported), he has accomplished one astonishing thing that even the media could not achieve: The exposing of the total criminality of the LAPD and its complete abandonment of law.

Even if Dorner is dead, the LAPD still comes out of this looking not only utterly incompetent but -- even worse -- driven by vengeance rather than law. As every citizen reading this can easily recognize, that's a very dangerous attitude for a police force to carry. In this frenzied manhunt, the whole world watched while the LAPD exposed itself as a gang of reckless idiots who openly fire their guns at innocent civilians and who ram citizens' vehicles with their police cars in acts of sheer madness and desperation.

"These lunatics broadsided the side of his truck, spun him around and started shooting at him," said the attorney for one of the victims of the LAPD murder attempts.

The Torrance Police Department, which seems to have abandoned all reason and logic just as the LAPD has done, explained that "Perdue's truck was 'suddenly leaving the area' and seemingly veering into a patrol car when the two vehicles collided at 5:15 a.m." (Source)

So now, pulling out of a driveway or simply starting your car and driving away can be interpreted as "suddenly leaving the area," earning you an attempted vehicular manslaughter maneuver by the local police. How's that for public safety, eh?

Dorner's killings were not random; but the LAPD's attempted murders were!
Consider the actual risk of harm here: Dorner did not engage in RANDOM killings. Want proof? He did not kill his hostages. He let them live because they weren't on his kill list. And yet the LAPD did, indeed, engage in random acts of attempted murder. Morally and ethically speaking, the LAPD was operating in worse violation than Dorner himself. Killing people who have wronged you is evil, but attempting to kill innocent people who have nothing to do with anything is even worse, and that's what the LAPD did.

In fact, if you really look at the situation in retrospect, a typical LA citizen was far more likely to be killed by the LAPD than by Chris Dorner. Dorner was a selective killer while the LAPD attempted to kill people indiscriminately... seemingly at random.

If you weren't on Chris Dorner's kill list, you had nothing to fear from Dorner. But if you were a black man with a bald head, you had everything to fear from the LAPD! And they proved it by opening fire on not just one innocent person, nor two, but THREE innocent citizens who didn't even resemble Dorner (two of the victims were women, the third was a thin white guy).

No wonder the LAPD was so desperately trying to murder Dorner on sight: the man knew too much. He had seen the inside operations of the LAPD, and he recognized what a runaway criminal operation it was.

None of this justifies Dorner's actions, of course. Making a kill list and murdering people is no way to handle things in a civilized country... unless, of course, you're President Barack Obama, in which case you get a bunch of DoJ lawyers to issue a 16-page memo "legalizing" your own private kill list that "authorizes" the murder of American citizens.

That's where Obama and Dorner are a lot alike: They both believe in the use of violence, outside of law, to kill their enemies. Obama uses armed drones while Dorner used a rifle. Both of them are criminals who operate outside the law, and the only reason Dorner isn't a national hero right now is because he didn't have an army of lawyers working at the DoJ who could sanitize his activities by shoveling lawyerspeak manure all over the place.

Dorner also forgot to call his actions "peace." See, if you kill a bunch of Americans without calling it "peace," then you get chased by the police. But if you call it "peace," as Obama does, you win a Nobel Peace Prize. And then the bombs you drop on children in the Middle East are called "peace bombs."

Dorner's mistake in all this was not that he killed people, you see, it's that he didn't get enough voters to back him first. Once you get the voters behind you, you can kill anybody you want, with no legal recourse whatsoever. That's the precedent recently set by the White House, anyway.

Editor's note: I wrote this article before seeing Alex Jones' video on this subject at:

http://www.infowars.com/video-chris-dorner-torched-waco-style/

He and I both came to the same conclusion on this, which I suppose is not that astonishing, considering the history of police action in America. But what really is astonishing is that Alex Jones totally predicted, on the record, that the police would burn Dorner by setting fire to the cabin. Once again, Jones was 100% correct!

http://www.naturalnews.com/039065_Christopher_Dorner_LAPD_cover-up.html

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JUAN GONZÁLEZ: That was Ramona Africa describing the 1985 — the sole survivor of the 1985 police attack on the House of the radical group MOVE group in Philadelphia, that left six adults and five children dead. I was a reporter at the Philadelphia Daily News and I covered that particular event. And what amazed me in watching the fire unfold was that the fire department trucks arrived on the scene, but then for more than an hour, did not turn on their hoses as the house burned. We were later told the MOVE members had attempted to shoot their way out through the back of the House and there was an exchange of gunfire between police and MOVE members. But, it took a commission report later on, an independent commission, to report that in fact some of the members had actually been shot to death, killed as they came out of the burning house. I wanted to ask Chief Stamper, this whole issue of people trapped in these houses and a fire erupting as a result of police action, what the responsibility of the police is at that point when these fires erupt? Even though you may have a criminal or some one that you’re involved in a standoff with, your responsibility as a police officer to try to capture these folks alive if possible?

NORM STAMPER: Your number one responsibility is the protection and preservation of human life. And when we employ tactics of the type that we’ve been talking about this morning in order to achieve what has essentially transformed itself into a military or certainly military-like mission, when we escalate tension and escalate tactics that predictably lead to death, we have violated our most basic, indeed, our most profound responsibility, and that is the protection and preservation of human life.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to play a comment from Stephen Graham, whose book "Cities under siege: The New Military Urbanism" looks at the increasing influence of military technology on domestic police forces. He spoke to Democracy Now! in 2011.

STEPHEN GRAHAM: Well, there has been a longstanding shift in North America and Europe toward paramilitarized policing, using helicopter style systems, using infrared sensing, using really, really heavy militarized weaponry. That’s been longstanding fueled by the war on drugs and other sort of explicit campaigns. But, more recently, there has been a big push since the end of the Cold War by the big defense and security and I.T. companies to sell things like video surveillance systems, things like geographic mapping systems, and even more recently, drone systems that have been used in the assassination raids in Afghanistan and Pakistan and elsewhere, as sort of a domestic policing technology.

AMY GOODMAN: That is Stephen Graham, his book, "Cities Under Siege: The New Military Urbananism." Radley Balko, if you could further comment on this, because that is the subject of your upcoming book, "Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces." And also talk about the police actions leading up to the ultimate fire and the killing of Dorner.

RADLEY BALKO: I think that the militarization — I think was troubling enough when it was reserved for drug raids which is what it was mostly used for, these sorts of paramilitary tactics throughout the 1990’s. But, really, in the 2000’s we started seeing it being used more routinely on patrols and we also see it — and this what I think is really disturbing, we are seeing it used not because — not after an assessment of the threat that the police are facing, but to send a political message.

One example I would give is, you see these federal raids on medical marijuana dispensaries in states that have legalized the drug for medical purposes. I mean, nobody really thinks that these dispensaries are a threat to federal agents, that the people running them are going to pull out guns and open up on federal drug agents. The show of force is about sending a political message. And when the government is using force, and deciding how much force it wants to use based on politics and not a realistic assessment of the threat, I think we have entered kind of a scary new territory.

The other thing I wanted to mention a little bit here is the reaction of the LAPD after an officer went down is sort of typical of what we have seen in a lot of these cases where, when a police officer goes down, there is kind of a mentality — and I think this goes back to the warrior mindset that we have inculcated in too many police departments — but when an officer goes down, there is this mentality that all bets are off, that the police no longer have to abide by the rules, that one of their own went down, so now they can sort of run roughshod over civil rights because now we have sort of entered new territory.

We saw this in the last couple weeks when we saw two separate incidents where we saw police officers open fire on vehicles that actually did not even look like the truck that Dorner was supposed to be driving. They were vaguely similar to the truck. In one case, the police officers filled an entire neighborhood with bullets — they found bullets in trees and garage doors and front doors, in addition to the pock-marked truck that we saw pictures of. And I think this is — we see this mentality reinforced in TV and movies, and it is this idea that once a police officer goes down, once someone kills a police officer, everybody’s rights are suspended at that point until they take care of the problem. That is really kind of a battlefield mentality that I think is the result of this militarization.


JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And of course, the issue that Dorner in his warped way attempted to raise, of continuing racism within some of these police departments, clearly — I want to read an excerpt of the manifesto that Dorner posted online when he wrote, "I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse... The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and the Rodney King incidents have since been promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions." He went on to vow to, "bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in the LAPD uniform. So, clearly, this was a man who was taking extreme and criminal actions, but at the same time, was raising issues that resonate, not only in many black communities, but even among black officers in many urban police departments. I am wondering your take on this.

RADLEY BALKO: I guess I should say, first of all, it is really unfortunate that there are people who have sort of tried to make Dorner into a martyr. I think if you’re going to make him a martyr for your cause, you’re really doing a disservice for your cause. Not only did he take out vigilante justice against police officers, he also killed two people who, their only alleged crime in his mind was been related to a police officer. I think we should point out this guy isn’t and should be a martyr.

The problems that he points out have been present in the LAPD a long time, going back to the commission that issued a study before the Rodney King riots in the early 1990’s, and, yes, he does raise issues. Even the initial incident that got him fired where he reported his field training officer kicking a suspect while the suspect was on the ground, I mean, it’s sort of well known in police departments that when rookies — I hope chief stamper will correct me if I am assuming too much — it is sort of well known when you get out of the academy and you’re assigned to a field training officer, that is sort of a time when you are tested to see how much you can be relied upon to defend your fellow officers. It’s kind of the induction period to the blue code of silence. So, even that incident sort of rings true. I think it is unfortunate that it took a crazy person to get these issues back in the light again. But, actually, I do think that the L.A. police chief and the LAPD deserves some credit. They have actually said they are going to go back and look at these incidents and see if there’s any merit to them, which is a pretty admirable thing to say given what was going on at the time.

AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Norm Stamper, what you want to see come out of this as a former police chief yourself in terms of investigations?

NORM STAMPER: Clearly, we have to look at the tactics from the beginning of this entire operation to its tragic conclusion. But, we also, I think really need to look at systemic instances of racism and other forms of discriminatory or bigoted behavior. It is one thing for police chiefs and sheriffs to denounce racism, to announce that there will be no tolerance of that kind of behavior, it is another to actually affect the working culture of police officers. The majority of whom, I think, have gotten the message. But, there are still pockets in every police department that are very pernicious and very troubling and they need to be rooted out. There are some people who should not be police officers.

https://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/15/from_dorner_to_waco_to_move#transcript

[RichD]

was it the LAPD at the big bear cabin standoff? I thought it was a different police department?

[Blackstar*]

[RichD]

military drones targeted at him

come on ppl get a grip