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Protesters show support for Christopher Dorner
Dozens of protesters gathered outside the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters downtown Saturday afternoon, holding signs of support for Christopher Dorner, the fired police officer suspected of killing four people.
Those gathered said they were protesting police corruption and the way the massive manhunt for Dorner was conducted. Authorities said Dorner appears to have died from a self-inflected gunshot wound after a shootout with police in Big Bear on Tuesday, ending a deadly rampage that stretched across Southern California.
Protesters said they believed Dorner’s claims that he was unfairly fired from the department in 2009 – grievances described in a lengthy online manifesto that has been attributed to him. Dorner also claimed that he was the victim of racism.
Protesters also said they were appalled by police mistakenly shooting at passengers in two separate trucks in Torrance, wrongly believing Dorner might be in the vehicles. One woman was shot in the back and is still recovering.
The protesters emphasized that they did not condone the killings of which Dorner is accused.
Michael Nam, 30, stood at the corner of 1st and Main Streets with a sign, painted by his girlfriend, showing a tombstone and the words “RIP Habeas Corpus.” The tombstone was engulfed in flames.
Nam, of Lomita, said he was disturbed by the burning of a mountain cabin near Big Bear where Dorner barricaded himself with a high-powered sniper rifle, smoke bombs and a cache of ammo. The blaze started shortly after police fired "pyrotechnic" tear gas into the cabin; the canisters are known as "burners" because the intense heat they emit often causes a fire.
But authorities have maintained that the fire was not intentionally set.
Dorner, whose charred body was found in the cabin, appears to have died of a single gunshot wound to the head, authorities said.
“How the police handled this -– they were the judge, the jury and the executioner,” Nam said. “As an American citizen, you have the right to a trial and due process by law.”
Nam, a former Marine and a current member of the Army National Guard, said he has combat experience from deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He said he has been in situations in which a combatant has been barricaded and successfully waited until the person surrendered, eventually getting “tired and coming out on their own.”
Nam said it was “pretty obvious” police wanted Dorner dead. “What I saw was a complete disregard for the Bill of Rights,” Nam said.
San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon, during a news conference Friday, defended the tactics used by his agency in the shootout at the mountain cabin, which left one of his deputies dead and another seriously wounded.
“The bottom line is the deputy sheriffs of this department, and the law enforcement officers from the surrounding area, did an outstanding job,” he said. “They ran into the line of fire.”
Protesters on Saturday said they organized the event through a Facebook page called “I support Christopher Jordan Dorner.” The Facebook post announcing the protest tells attendees to “keep it PEACEFUL” and to bring recording equipment.
The Facebook page states: “This is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It’s supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do.”
As the protesters stood Saturday, drivers passing by honked, waved and gave thumbs up. A handful of officers watched from police headquarters across the street.
Nam said he spoke to the officers before the protest began about what the protesters should do to keep the event peaceful. He said the officers were respectful.
The protesters marched around the block, circling an intersection near the department headquarters. They chanted, “LAPD, you are guilty.”
Signs expressed anger at police and support for Dorner.
“If you’re not enraged, you’re not paying attention,” one sign read.
“Why couldn’t we hear his side?”
“Clear his name! Christopher Dorner”
Liliana Alaniz, 40, came with her family -– her mother, sister, nieces and daughters -– from Long Beach to join the protest, which she said was her first.
“I really, really believe he was innocent in the firing case,” Alaniz said of Dorner.
Alaniz held a sign that read, “Trying to clear your name.”
Her daughter, Andrea Tovar, said Dorner “has his supporters.”
“Murder is never right, but neither is the law when it’s unjust,” said Tovar, 18. She said police need to know they “can’t get away with everything.”
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realitee iss mii ave more respekk fe dem mzungu protesters dan mii do fe a latt aff blakk misleaders woo ar silent and natt protestinn diss injustice.Comment
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Those gathered said they were protesting police corruption and the way the massive manhunt for Dorner was conducted. Authorities said Dorner appears to have died from a self-inflected gunshot wound after a shootout with police in Big Bear on Tuesday, ending a deadly rampage that stretched across Southern California.
Protesters said they believed Dorner’s claims that he was unfairly fired from the department in 2009 – grievances described in a lengthy online manifesto that has been attributed to him. Dorner also claimed that he was the victim of racism.
Protesters also said they were appalled by police mistakenly shooting at passengers in two separate trucks in Torrance, wrongly believing Dorner might be in the vehicles. One woman was shot in the back and is still recovering.
The protesters emphasized that they did not condone the killings of which Dorner is accused.
Nam, of Lomita, said he was disturbed by the burning of a mountain cabin near Big Bear where Dorner barricaded himself . The blaze started shortly after police fired "pyrotechnic" tear gas into the cabin; the canisters are known as "burners" because the intense heat they emit often causes a fire.
“How the police handled this -– they were the judge, the jury and the executioner,” Nam said. “As an American citizen, you have the right to a trial and due process by law.”
Nam said it was “pretty obvious” police wanted Dorner dead. “What I saw was a complete disregard for the Bill of Rights,” Nam said.
“This is not a page about supporting the killing of innocent people. It’s supporting fighting back against corrupt cops and bringing to light what they do.”
The protesters marched around the block, circling an intersection near the department headquarters. They chanted, “LAPD, you are guilty.”
“If you’re not enraged, you’re not paying attention,” one sign read.
“Murder is never right, but neither is the law when it’s unjust,” said Tovar, 18. She said police need to know they “can’t get away with everything.”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...er-dorner.html
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San Bernardino County Sheriff iss de wan tekkinn credit fe allowinn dem fe fire 7 incindiaree devive inn da dat burn dunn. itt a rural area natt far fram lapd area. since San Bernardino County doan ave sufficent peeps dem add to ave help fram la police force. diffarant department ann diffarant jurisdikkkshan woo corporationsOriginally posted by RichD View PostComment
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yuh see the national guard guy that got shot here by the police bway? grand jury mek babylon walk.Comment
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OMG Jen - I saw this on the news last night and my eyes welled up. I mean - come on.
NO weapon. Shot. Dead. For what ...?
The penalty for a driving infraction -for speeding or driving erratically is now death?
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the corruption of police departments being exposed...
the press coverage has been shameful....
confirms the press is just the mouthpiece of the (police)stateComment
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So when the phrase is corrected to "Police drones hunting for him" are the comparisons still OTT?Originally posted by RichD View Postmilitary drones targeted at him
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Christopher Dorner 'supporters' rally outside LAPD headquarters days after his death
Protesters say they don’t support Dorner’s murderous acts, but object to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner’s claims of racism and unfair treatment by Los Angeles police department.
LOS ANGELES — Dozens of protesters rallied outside Los Angeles police headquarters Saturday in support of Christopher Dorner, the former LAPD officer and suspected killer of four who died after a shootout and fire this week at a mountain cabin following one of the biggest manhunts in recent memory.
Protesters told the Los Angeles Times they didn’t support Dorner’s deadly methods, but objected to police corruption and brutality, and believed Dorner’s claims of racism and unfair treatment by the department. Many said they were angered by the conduct of the manhunt that led to Dorner’s death and injuries to innocent bystanders who were mistaken for him.
Michael Nam, 30, who held a sign with a flaming tombstone and the inscription “RIP Habeas Corpus,” said it was “pretty obvious” police had no intention of bringing Dorner in alive.
“They were the judge, the jury and the executioner,” Nam said. “As an American citizen, you have the right to a trial and due process by law.”
Only after calls for surrender and use of milder tear gas did deputies launch pyrotechnic gas canisters into the cabin, and the subsequent fire was not intentional, the Sheriff’s Department said.
Dorner died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the end of the standoff, sheriff’s officials said.
The 33-year-old has already inspired a burgeoning subculture of followers. While most don’t condone killing, they see him as an outlaw hero who raged against powerful forces of authority, and some even question whether he really died.
Tributes include a ballad titled “El Matapolicias,” or “The Police Killer,” penned by a Mexican crooner with lyrics paying homage to Dorner, and a YouTube clip showing excerpts from a video game titled “Christopher Dorner’s Last Stand Survival Game” whose opening frame declares him “A True American Hero.”
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babylon media headline tryinn fe brainwashOriginally posted by blugiant View Post
furst dem chatt nunsense bout dorner's supporters protestinn den dem sey de peeps woo were protesting didd natt support dorner actions butt dem believe de allegations aff police racism, unfair treatment, police corruption, and police brutality.Comment
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it is common practice for police to use airplanes and helicopters equipped with all kinds of instrumentation when hunting for fugitives. what is principally different in this case?Originally posted by Blackstar* View Post
the outrage at this seem way over the top.When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....Comment
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Christopher Dorner: Killer Made In USA
By Colin Benjamin
Last week, the murderous rampage of former Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Police Officer and decorated Army veteran Christopher Dorner came to a fiery end in California’s San Bernardino Mountains.
Dorner is dead and has been denounced by many commentators as a monster. Few have asked: who created this monster?
Friday, San Bernardino County Captain Kevin Lacy in a press conference confirmed charred remains found in a burnt-out cabin, in the Big Bear Lake area of San Bernardino were indeed those of Officer Christopher Dorner. Captain Lacy said the cause of death was a single self-inflicted gunshot wound. "The information we have seems to indicate that the wound that took Christopher Dorner's life was self-inflicted," Lacy said.
The former officer had been accused of killing four people in California. In a now infamous online manifesto, Dorner pledged to wage “unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” against police officers and their loved ones. Dorner’s victims are: 28-year-old Monica Quan; 27-year-old Keith Lawrence; Officer Michael Crain; and, Detective Jeremiah MacKay.
Ms. Quan was the daughter of a former police captain and lawyer Randal Quan. Keith Lawrence was Ms. Quan’s fiancé.
The death of Officer Dorner ended a manhunt that included over 1,000 officers from numerous local, state and federal law enforcement agencies.
Dorner holed up in a cabin in Bear Lake, exchanged gunfire with officers, then, apparently, took his life after the cabin was set ablaze by a pyrotechnic teargas device. Some people accuse the San Bernardino Police of willfully setting the cabin on fire—a claim police, including San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon have denied. A tape emerged where someone is heard saying “Burn it down!”
In response to that tape, Sheriff McMahon said "There is some recordings that I have heard on the news that would suggest that somebody, we have no idea at this point who, made those comments," he said. "We are looking into those and we will deal with those appropriately. I would suggest to you that those comments were made by somebody away from the tactical team."
Reportedly, Officer Dorner launched his attacks in response to his dismissal from the LAPD years ago, for reporting to the LAPD brass that Sergeant Teresa Evans had allegedly kicked arrested suspect Christopher Gettler. Mr. Gettler, who was given medical treatment for facial injuries, testified Sergeant Evans kicked him in the face. However, the LAPD fired Officer Dorner, in 2008, for allegedly making false statements.
On February 9, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said they would reexamine the LAPD’s decision to fire Officer Dorner. Dorner in his manifesto asserted the LAPD has not changed since the days when officers brutally assaulted Rodney King; the department also became infamous after former Police Officer Mark Furhman's racist remarks were exposed during the O.J. Simpson case. “As hard as it has been to change the culture of the Los Angeles Police Department, it has been even more difficult to win and maintain the support of the public,” Beck said. “Therefore, I feel we need to also publicly address Dorner’s allegations.”
According to Chief Beck, the LAPD is not taking this action “to appease a murderer” but “to reassure the public that their police department is transparent and fair in all the things we do.”
Chief Beck and others denounce Officer Dorner as a “murderer” and “monster” but many questions remain unanswered. Some of the same people denouncing him today gave him awards for the training he received to kill and maim people in Washington’s foreign “theaters of war.” It must be pointed out Officer Dorner received several medals for his military service.
Chief Beck also called Mr. Dorner a “domestic terrorist.” Ironically, among the medals Dorner received was a Global War on Terrorism Medal. It’s surely true Officer Dorner engaged in terroristic acts of murder. Yet what kind of training did he receive and by whom? Dorner killed four people in America. Dorner’s military skills were the primary reason he was hired by the LAPD in the first place. We should also remember this soldier received two medals for marksmanship and pistol shooting.
There are countless “domestic terrorists” operating in various police departments across America who’re engaged in practices—like the NYPD’s Stop-and-Frisk—that violate the rights of minorities. These police practices, eventually, lead to incidents like the vicious beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles, the sodomizing of Abner Louima in New York, the unjustified murder of Oscar Grant in Oakland, or, the 40- and 50- shot executions of Amadou Diallo and Sean Bell, respectively.
Dorner breached the LAPD's Blue Wall and killed some of their own as well as those related to them. He's the obvious bad one now, the public is informed; by an institution that continues to protect criminals within its ranks who maim and kill innocent citizens they are sworn to “protecting and serving.”
Presently, the issue of gun violence is being debated—sort of, anyway—since the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. But American political leadership is yet to honestly discuss the unhealthy violence they inculcate everyday with Washington’s brutal foreign policy which creates “monsters” like Officer Dorner. There have been many news accounts of atrocities against civilians by soldiers in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The case of Officer Dorner reminds me of two other cases where decorated soldiers morphed into menaces: that of Timothy McVeigh and Ishmael LaBeet.
New York-native Timothy McVeigh is remembered for bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 15, 1995 and killing 168 people, including 19 children. Mr. McVeigh’s vicious act ranks him as the deadliest domestic terrorist ever in American history. But all through his trial, conviction, and execution there was barely a mention of the fact that McVeigh turned from a “patriotic” soldier—who received a Bronze Star—into a murderer of those he felt bitterness toward in government.
But instead of examining this deeply, officials conveniently called him a "crazed" killer to silence those who want to know who created him and how.
There is also the case of decorated Vietnam Veteran Ishmael LaBeet. Mr. LaBeet born in St. Thomas, U.S.V.I. served tours of distinction in Vietnam. But on September 6, 1972 he was the primary participant in the infamous “Fountain Valley” Golf Course massacre in St. Croix, U.S.V.I. that took the lives of eight people. Many people have described the killings as a robbery gone badly—when, supposedly, Mr. LaBeet started shooting inexplicably.
After the largest manhunt in U.S.V.I. history, LaBeet, and four accomplices, were all captured, tried, and sentenced to eight life-terms. But after a later civil trial on St. Croix, LaBeet was able to outmaneuver three armed guards escorting him back to federal penitentiary in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania—where he was incarcerated—and successfully skyjacked an American Airlines DC-10 plane, on New Year’s Eve 1984. Forcing the pilot to land in Cuba, LaBeet hasn’t been heard from again. Although, rumors say he was seen on the streets of Havana and years ago fighting with the Cuban Army when Castro helped Angola repulse a South African invasion.
Unlike Dorner and McVeigh, LaBeet didn’t attack a federal building or kill police officers. However, LaBeet’s attack—at the Rockefeller-owned—Fountain Valley Golf Course was seen as a strike on the elite and on the American economic political establishment—something he reportedly complained about after his return from Vietnam. Pulitzer Prize-winning Virgin Islands’ journalist Melvin Claxton called Mr. LaBeet “a decorated but psychotic Vietnam War Veteran.”
How are “psychotic” monsters like LaBeet, McVeigh and Dorner created?
Not asking these questions won't make future nightmares go away. We owe it to the public's safety.
"Speaking Truth To Empower."
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