jamaica patwah racism

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mii wandar iff itt troo dat wan mzungu ar wannabee mzungu sed dat patwah iss natt allowed inn jamaica parliament.

y iss itt dat manee jamaicans bunn fiyah pon manee poor blakk jamaicans woo chat patwah?

y iss itt dat jamaica guv ann manee jamaicans rush to da defense aff da cammerical widd de oyinbo chattinn patwah?

stickee bunn tredd diss

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mii wandar iff itt troo dat wan mzungu ar wannabee mzungu sed dat patwah iss natt allowed inn jamaica parliament.

Dunno

y iss itt dat manee jamaicans bunn fiyah pon manee poor blakk jamaicans woo chat patwah?

At one time the children were discouraged from using it in the schools or punished for using it.

As I said to Mutabaruka (man that sounds great), if one plans to stay in Jamaica all their life and they have no interest in a career in the corporate world...go for it. Speak patois all day long. If you plan to migrate or or you have career aspirations involving the corporate world or interacting with people who aren't Jamaican, it's important to be bilingual. Even Muta agreed with me.

y iss itt dat jamaica guv ann manee jamaicans rush to da defense aff da cammerical widd de oyinbo chattinn patwah?

stickee bunn tredd diss

There is a time and place for everything. That was fun. Patois in casual conversation, theatre, music, etc. is great. I love it when Jamaican politicians come up here and make formal speeches and every now and then throw in a little patois. The crowd goes crazy. I haven't been invited to any of those events, dinners or cocktail parties lately. I need to check in with them.

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At one time the children were discouraged from using it in the schools or punished for using it.

As I said to Mutabaruka (man that sounds great), if one plans to stay in Jamaica all their life and they have no interest in a career in the corporate world...go for it. Speak patois all day long. If you plan to migrate or or you have career aspirations involving the corporate world or interacting with people who aren't Jamaican, it's important to be bilingual. Even Muta agreed with me.

muta muss wass avinn a bad day iff imm agree widd yuh. moas jamaicans wey chat patwah patwah can speak iinglish too, nuh troo. dat wood mean moas jamaicans ar bilingual unless yuh arguinn dat patwah nat a language too. yuh neva see oww manee oyinbo woo cum pon yah waan fe learn fe chatt patwah. y yu tink so manee aff dem tekk da thyme ann struggle widd wat mii poas? iff oyinbo recognize patwah as a language y itt soo ard fe jamaica fe afficallee recagnized patwah as jamaica language ar do moas jamaica still beeleeve dat patwah iss carrupsham aff de iinglish language

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Mutabaruka agreed with me 100% and there were witnesses. He was VERY nice to me.

Hello...I said it is important to be bilingual....English AND patois. Not just patois.

I am not going to get into the debate with you about whether or not patois is a language. We've discussed it already. Also, I am sure the way you write on here is not the way you talk at work.

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Mutabaruka agreed with me 100% and there were witnesses. He was VERY nice to me.

Hello...I said it is important to be bilingual....English AND patois. Not just patois.

I am not going to get into the debate with you about whether or not patois is a language. We've discussed it already. Also, I am sure the way you write on here is not the way you talk at work.

tropi mii xxpekk blakk men fe be nice ann respekkful to blakk ooman

wen yuh brought upp muta mii taught yuh wass gittinn inna da kultural aspect aff patois de reason y patwah iss matt cansider a language iss cah itt cansidared as wat inferior peeps speak. da implication iss dat inn jamaica, manee jamaica still identeefii widd inglish cah itt oyinbo ting. itt bout de cantinuinn legacee aff slaveree.

y yuh tink jamaicans ann jamaica guv afficals jumped to defend da cammercial widd de oyinbo speakinn patwah butt cantinuallee arguinn fe blakk jamaican fe chatt propa iinglish.

dat y wen miss lou chatt bout inglish a carrupshan itt wass natt a onlee a debate bout language. itt wass awlso bout defendinn afrikkan kultural influence inn jamaica

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tropi mii xxpekk blakk men fe be nice ann respekkful to blakk ooman

Muta was nice and respectful towards me.

wen yuh brought upp muta mii taught yuh wass gittinn inna da kultural aspect aff patois de reason y patwah iss matt cansider a language iss cah itt cansidared as wat inferior peeps speak.

We talked about the importance of bilingualism. He agreed that English is important. We speculated on why Jamaicans pronounce certain words certain ways. He asked me my thoughts about it and he shared his.

He asked me about my background. I told him that I hoped we could get more dub poetry out of him.

da implication iss dat inn jamaica, manee jamaica still identeefii widd inglish cah itt oyinbo ting. itt bout de cantinuinn legacee aff slaveree.

I don't anything about that.

y yuh tink jamaicans ann jamaica guv afficals jumped to defend da cammercial widd de oyinbo speakinn patwah butt cantinuallee arguinn fe blakk jamaican fe chatt propa iinglish.

Listen, whether we like it or not, English is an extremely important language internationally. Muta agreed with me on that by the way.

If our children do not learn to speak English and speak it well, we will forever be behind the 8th ball and part of an underprivileged underclass globally. Those are facts. Do you speak patois at work all day long? I doubt it. Do you write like you write on here. Again I doubt it.

So if you have had the privilege of learning English, living abroad, getting good job, and earning a decent living, why would you deny other Black people those privileges?

Do your children speak English? Why would you deny other Jamaican children the opportunity to learn English.

dat y wen miss lou chatt bout inglish a carrupshan itt wass natt a onlee a debate bout language. itt wass awlso bout defendinn afrikkan kultural influence inn jamaica

Fine defend African cultural influences. I applaud that but don't put down the need to master the English language. The only people who can probably get away with just speaking patois are maybe reggae artists and, if you notice, Bunny Wailer speaks English and speaks it REALLY well. So can Muta when he is ready.

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Oh one more thing. I have nothing against patois. I can understand it, read out loud, write it, etc. I don't really speak it though. Did not have the opportunity to keep it up after I migrated. My son doesn't speak it either. It would have been up to his father to see to that and I must admit before we split up I told him to make sure to speak English around the baby so that he didn't have any problem when he went to school. Our son has definitely grown up hearing his father speak it to other people though.

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Jamaican Patwa racism DWL ..hands down u have the funniest thread titles..

Yea the VW ting was patwa racism

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Jamaican Patwa racism DWL ..hands down u have the funniest thread titles..

Yea the VW ting was patwa racism

jy tink pon diss itt legal inn jamaica fe discriminate against blakk jamaicans woo chat patwah butt jamaicans ann jam guv affical aff awl race jumped to da defense aff da vw cammerical wear oyinbo mimics patwah. ja guv affical, da tourist wan, sed dat diss iss good fe da jamaican brand ann improve tourism wild ignorinn da realitee dat moas aff ja tourism industee practices discrimination against blakk jamaican wey chat patwah

[Tropicana]

jy tink pon diss itt legal inn jamaica fe discriminate against blakk jamaicans woo chat patwah

Where do you come up with this stuff?

butt jamaicans ann jam guv affical aff awl race jumped to da defense aff da vw cammerical wear oyinbo mimics patwah. ja guv affical, da tourist wan, sed dat diss iss good fe da jamaican brand ann improve tourism wild ignorinn da realitee dat moas aff ja tourism industee practices discrimination against blakk jamaican wey chat patwah

How do you expect foreign tourists to understand people if they only speak thick patois 24/7?

By the way there are a lot of foreign hotels that recruit Jamaicans for the season and you better believe they can speak English.

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Don't it depends pan di level ah patwa whe ah drop? If yuh ah conduct business, how yuh ah goh talk raw patwa an run di risk ah misinterpretation? Both you an I knaw dat som patwa, unless yuh from fi dem area yuh naa goh understand all ah it. All yuh ah go si is wan blank look pan people face if yuh yuh start chap som ah dem street patwah deh.

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Where do you come up with this stuff?





How do you expect foreign tourists to understand people if they only speak thick patois 24/7?

By the way there are a lot of foreign hotels that recruit Jamaicans for the season and you better believe they can speak English.

go look itt upp ann cum back to mii ann tell mii iff itt illegal to discriminate against jamaicans woo chatt patwah inn jamaica? yu neva ear wen mii lou chatt bout oww enslaved jamaicans use patwah fe communicate ann apposed slaveree cah oyinbo slave massah neva ovatand wat dem wass chattinn bout. itt wass da oyinbo slave massahs ann dem ovaseers wey use fe tell de enslaved africans fe speak proper iinglish cah dem feared wat dem cyaan ovatand. wat a way sum jamaicans luv fe chatt bout speak proper iinglish ann doan kno ow dem brainwashed fe repeat dem farmer slave massahs wurds

tropi so yuh tellinn mii wen farreen tourists wey go to non iinglish countrees doan survive. imagine farren hotel dat recruit jamaicans mekk sure dem chatt iinglish juss like inn ja

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Don't it depends pan di level ah patwa whe ah drop? If yuh ah conduct business, how yuh ah goh talk raw patwa an run di risk ah misinterpretation? Both you an I knaw dat som patwa, unless yuh from fi dem area yuh naa goh understand all ah it. All yuh ah go si is wan blank look pan people face if yuh yuh start chap som ah dem street patwah deh.

butt da same ting can be sed bout diffarant type aff iinglish ann mii nat even chatt bout dem wey chatt cockney.

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tropi so yuh tellinn mii wen farreen tourists wey go to non iinglish countrees doan survive. imagine farren hotel dat recruit jamaicans mekk sure dem chatt iinglish juss like inn ja

I have travelled EXTENSIVELY to non-English countries and they go out of their way to ensure that they have staff that speaks English in their hotels. Often the staff is fluent in several languages. Example, I was in Germany last year and front desk staff could speak English, French and German. One guy could also speak Spanish. Even when I went to a small town, while the menu in the restaurant was in German, and not everyone working in the restaurant could speak English, you bet your sweet bippie they had some staff who spoke English, French and Spanish. A waiter spent a lot of time with me translating the menu and helping me make a selection. Same story in the city. At a restaurant in the historical section, the owner spoke several languages fluently and so did the staff. The wife spoke only German. Even in Japan where I deliberately stayed at places where foreigners don't tend to go (I wanted to practice my Japanese) some of the staff spoke English.

When Magix comes on here he can confirm that Etihad, Emirates and all of the hotels in the UAE go to great lengths to recruit multi-lingual staff. It is madness to think Jamaica could be competitive in the global market if people working in the hotels only spoke patois. We need people who can speak English and it would be wise to also have some members of staff who can speak French, German, Italian, Arabic, Mandarin, Japanese, etc. The Chinese, Japanese and Middle Eastern markets in particular have huge growth potential for Jamaica.

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I have travelled EXTENSIVELY to non-English countries and they go out of their way to ensure that they have staff that speaks English in their hotels. Often the staff is fluent in several languages. Example, I was in Germany last year and front desk staff could speak English, French and German. One guy could also speak Spanish. Even when I went to a small town, while the menu in the restaurant was in German, and not everyone working in the restaurant could speak English, you bet your sweet bippie they had some staff who spoke English, French and Spanish. A waiter spent a lot of time with me translating the menu and helping me make a selection. Same story in the city. At a restaurant in the historical section, the owner spoke several languages fluently and so did the staff. The wife spoke only German. Even in Japan where I deliberately stayed at places where foreigners don't tend to go (I wanted to practice my Japanese) some of the staff spoke English.

When Magix comes on here he can confirm that Etihad, Emirates and all of the hotels in the UAE go to great lengths to recruit multi-lingual staff. It is madness to think Jamaica could be competitive in the global market if people working in the hotels only spoke patois. We need people who can speak English and it would be wise to also have some members of staff who can speak French, German, Italian, Arabic, Mandarin, Japanese, etc. The Chinese, Japanese and Middle Eastern markets in particular have huge growth potential for Jamaica.

tropi moas jamaicans ar bilingual cah dem speak boat patwah ann iinglish. wan aff de reason fe encourage patwah iss dat moas studee show peeps woo chatt more dan wan language ar smarter. tropi yuh shood ear mii wen buss out mii patwah to sum slack yaawd parents woo try fe mekk xxcuse fe dem rude yuths. dem gawn like dem neva learn fe dance at home fore dem went abroad.

de argument mii raisinn iss dat wen jamaica emphasized iinglish at de xxpense aff patwah dem doing jamaicans a dissservice ann defendinn oyinbo superioritee at da xxpense aff blakk equalitee. until iinglish iss aff no more dan patwah inn jamaica, blakk jamaicans will awlways be cansidared secand class citizens. da reason y patwah iss natt recognized as language deservinn recognition ann respekk iss bout oyinbo politrixx aff natt respekktinn blakks. diss iss bout oyinbo dissinn patwah, ebonic, creole, etc, dat language enslaved blakks developed as way fe resist oyinbo supremacee

miss lou wass fimi sesame street