Obama condemns 'shameful' Senate gun control loss

[Tropicana]

Sorry mi noh understand onoo Americans and onoo guns. This is a disgrace.

A visibly angry U.S. President Barack Obama lashed out at members of the U.S. Senate on Wednesday, after a minority of senators succesfully blocked a bipartisan effort to expand federal background checks to more firearms buyers.
"All in all this was a pretty shameful day for Washington," Obama said at a Washington, D.C., news conference after the vote, which was a jarring blow to the drive to curb firearms.
Obama said he considered the loss "just Round 1."
Obama was flanked by gun violence victims, including former U.S. representative Gabrielle Giffords. He slammed critics who said it was unseemly for the victims to be lobbying for the new law.
"Are they serious? Do we really think that thousands of families whose lives have been shattered by gun violence don't have a right to weigh in on this issue?"
The legislation was sparked by December's massacre of children and staff at an elementary school in Connecticut. Obama made broadened background checks the centrepiece of his gun control proposals.
The roll call was also a victory for the National Rifle Association, which opposed the plan as an ineffective infringement on gun rights.
The proposal would have required background checks for all transactions at gun shows and online. Currently they must occur for sales handled by licensed gun dealers.
The system is designed to keep criminals and people with mental problems from getting guns.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...nd-checks.html

[LinSkinny]

Don't try to understand, but please try not to condemn those of us who choose to protect ourselves with a firearm. My cousin lives in Ontario and he carries.

Yes I grieve for the children that were killed, but if I say there were already laws banning weapons on school grounds, what good is that going to do? It would do nothing to change your perspective of weapons.

This picture is making the rounds now...Notice the irony without thinking about sensitivity for a moment.

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[Emperah]

is a eedyat and foolish law dem a push anyhow cah de same teefs, murderaz and crooks still a guh get dem tings when dem ready.

[lonewolf]

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Sorry mi noh understand onoo Americans and onoo guns. This is a disgrace.

Your right, you don't understand. Don't fall for the knee jerk reaction legislation that does nothing to curb violence.

The proposal would have required background checks for all transactions at gun shows and online. Currently they must occur for sales handled by licensed gun dealers.

I don't have a problem with a back ground check for gun purchases.

The system is designed to keep criminals and people with mental problems from getting guns.

No it's not. Play on words...notice how they did not say the"law is designed"? They know that the critics would have rightfully pointed out that "laws" only pertain to those citizens that obey the laws. Therefore, the legislation, or LAWS, would not pertain to the criminals that are causing the problems.
Sensible people know that criminals don't follow the rule of law, hence the title of "CRIMINAL"?

Why does common sense seem to be something that Obama and the liberals in Washington lack?

[RichD]

[QUOTE=lonewolf;697684]

Your right, you don't understand. Don't fall for the knee jerk reaction legislation that does nothing to curb violence.



I don't have a problem with a back ground check for gun purchases.


No it's not. Play on words...notice how they did not say the"law is designed"? They know that the critics would have righfully pointed out that "laws" only pertain to those citizens that obey the laws. Therefore, the legislation, or LAWS, would not pertain to the criminals that are causing the problems.
Sensible people know that criminals don't follow the rule of law, hence the title of "CRIMINAL"?

Why does common sense seem to be something that Obama and the liberals in Washington lack?

so what was the downside of putting this law in place?

[My Looh]

I am not against responsible people buying and owning guns. Like already stated, the bad guys will always find a way to get guns if they want them. it makes no difference if they are outlawed. Just look at Jamaica!!!!

What scares me are the irresponsible idiots that own guns and allow their kids to access them either knowingly or by being careless in the way they store their weapons.

I believe that everyone who wants to purchase a gun from a retail store, gun show or privately needs to have a background check, both criminal and medical (mental). Also their needs to be a minimum of a one week waiting period from the time the agreement to purchase is made until the gun is actually taken into the buyers possession to provide a cooling off period and to help avoid crimes carried out in a fit of anger.

Personally I am fortunate enough to live in a environment in which I have no feeling that I may need a gun to protect myself or my loved ones, but I realize that their are people who live in places in which protecting yourself is a must.

[lonewolf]

[QUOTE=RichD;697687]

so what was the downside of putting this law in place?

Rich, the downside was that it would not accomplish what was intended.

The question that should be asked is what is the upside of putting this law in place?

Would it accomplish what was intended?...that answer is obviously, no.

My Looh Quote:"Also their needs to be a minimum of a one week waiting period from the time the agreement to purchase is made until the gun is actually taken into the buyers possession to provide a cooling off period and to help avoid crimes carried out in a fit of anger."

Yep, I agree. You took the words right out of my mouth. That's my key reason for a waiting period, fits of anger or crimes of passion.

[Tropicana]

What is the problem with background checks? They sound like common sense to me.

[Tropicana]

Don't try to understand, but please try not to condemn those of us who choose to protect ourselves with a firearm. My cousin lives in Ontario and he carries.

Not condemning...just not understanding Americans with Bible in one hand and gun in the other..It noh mek no sense.

[Emperah]

come onnnnn, look how much murder a gwaan inna de bible, it fit perfectly fi dem.

[LinSkinny]

I believe that everyone who wants to purchase a gun from a retail store, gun show or privately needs to have a background check, both criminal and medical (mental).

I'm curious as to why one would think that NO background check is done now in any of the listed places. Maybe it was the way it was written and I misinterpreted the statement. Let me repeat. A background check is done in every one of those places for every sale. Even pawn shops. Yet it doesn't stop bad people from getting weapons. Wait, I read it wrong because I missed a word. Privately. Here is the issue. Most private sales already have the driver's license or concealed carry permit information on the sales form. It doesn't mean squat. Doing a background check there still will not help, so don't let the play on words in the media fool you.

Personally I am fortunate enough to live in a environment in which I have no feeling that I may need a gun to protect myself or my loved ones, but I realize that their are people who live in places in which protecting yourself is a must.

Some of us live in 'safe' areas, yet crime still occurs. Nothing gun owners say will ever change your mind and that's fine. More laws will not stop bad people. Again, remember there where already laws in place during the tragedy of Newton. Did the crazy person care? We've all seen the outcome.

About kids and guns...a child that knows (and practices) gun safety from they are able to think for themselves (as young as 7 or 8) will most likely never have an accident. On the other hand, a child (or adult) with no knowledge of firearms will be the ones with their fingers on the trigger, the muzzle pointed at someone, the ones that don't know the difference between a 'real' and 'play' weapon.

I could go on and on, but again, what's the use? Somebody said to me that we have to do 'something.' How about enforcing the current laws and teaching kids gun safety instead of "Go tell an adult." How about "Put that f'ing gun down now and get your f'ing finger off the trigger before you hurt someone!" Then having the knowledgeable child disarm the weapon and THEN go tell an adult.

[LinSkinny]

come onnnnn, look how much murder a gwaan inna de bible, it fit perfectly fi dem.

I see what you doing there....

[Tropicana]

come onnnnn, look how much murder a gwaan inna de bible, it fit perfectly fi dem.