For those who think the conspiracy theories are out there

[Tropicana]

so which part of the conspiracy are you advocating?

spell it out

Too late at night for deep heavy discussions but in a nutshell.

It has been proven that:

- Jim Jones was CIA operative
- Destitute and poor people were being signed into his custody
- Mind control experiments were going on in Jones Town
- The message confirming that the deaths had taken place was sent from the CIA office inside the US office.

Survivors did say that Jim Jones had been using drugs heavily and he became more and more paronoid. Do I feel the deaths were sanctioned by the US government to cover everything up? No I think Jones just got out of control.

That is as deep as I am going to go at this hour. As I said there are in-depth documentaries on Youtube with CHILLING audio tapes of how the whole thing went down. The whole thing was audio taped due to Jones' paranoia.

Don't want to focus on this before bedtime and have nightmares.

[RichD]

why is everyting a conspiracy if it nuh line up wid certain ppl way of tinkin?

conspiracy is derived from the word conspire

:

Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act. (of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.

so can you think of a better word to describe these theories?

[Tropicana]

If the facts bare things out they are not theories. Definitely what is posted about "The General" is true. Ditto Jim Jones.

[Tropicana]

Here is more:

Douglas, twenty-seven, had solid leadership credentials by 1969. As well as his Tory party activities, he'd been president of the Association of British West Indian Students, and was serving as vice-president of the Verdun Cricket Club. So when several hundred students began a sit-in at Sir George's downtown Hall Building on January 29, 1969, to protest a biology lecturer's alleged racism, Douglas emerged as a media-savvy leader. The occupation lasted two weeks, during which the students and the university bargained. The administration walked on eggshells; the students walked on air. The mood was festive - passes were even granted to permit students to go home for showers before returning to the Happening. Sir George had been added to the list of universities mobilized by peace, love, and understanding.


Some protesters were keen to smash the university's mainframe computer, Douglas remembers, but his cooler head prevailed. “I really played the role of senior student activist,” he says. Then, on February 11, fearing that they were about to be double-crossed in dealings with the administration, students beefed up their barricades. The Montreal police riot squad moved in. Someone lit a fire. The protest was suddenly transformed from peaceful sit-in to pandemonium.


“The thing just blew up very quickly,” recalls Claude-Armand Sheppard, a Montreal lawyer who had been retained by the university. “Acrid, black smoke was generated, which nobody had anticipated. The lights went out, and the police ended up, like all of us, crawling on their knees making a chain to save the students. I personally don't believe that the students, when they set the fire, were aware of the fact that if the police had moved out, there would have been ninety dead from smoke inhalation.”


Douglas has a less charitable interpretation of the intervention, saying a deal was in place to form a committee to arbitrate the conflict when the police suddenly attacked. “We were totally betrayed,” he says. “It was bedlam...In panic the students threw out the computer [data] cards and some small typewriters from the ninth floor. Other students started to demonstrate outside, some in solidarity, some saying, 'Burn the niggers.' “ As for the arson that caused $2 million in damage, Douglas says that someone other than the students - an RCMP agent provocateur or policeman - was responsible. Another theory suggests that the Black Panthers, seeking a cause célèbre north of the border, had orchestrated the conflict.


Whatever the case, Douglas was convicted of mischief for his part in what became known as the “Computer Riot” in April, 1971, and received the stiffest sentence of any demonstrator, two years in jail and a $5,000 fine. Also convicted was Anne Cools, who has since become a Liberal senator. Both Cools and Douglas appealed their convictions unsuccessfully.


Until 1973, when the appeal-court decision was handed down, Douglas was out on bail, during which time he became the subject of Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) surveillance. The Mounties hired Warren Hart, a former undercover FBI agent who had penetrated the Black Panthers, to spy on the Dominican black-power activist. He duly befriended Douglas and became his bodyguard and chauffeur.


Hart, who testified at the McDonald Commission into RCMP wrongdoing in the 1970s, alleged that Douglas was behind an assassination plot that targeted Sir George officials and was meant to coincide with an armed revolt in Dominica in 1971. Douglas dismisses this as an absurd idea that originated with Hart and went no further. He says Hart, who drove him around in a Lincoln Continental outfitted with a hidden recording device, was forever trying to draw him into violent schemes, such as planting dynamite at Sir George. “His role was to entice me to use violence . . . and he failed...We were not about any violence. We were about the demands of the black community in terms of their human rights, their civil rights, and their full equality.” (Hart would later also admit to the McDonald Commission that he'd offered to train British Columbia and Ontario native groups in the use of explosives.)


In November, 1974, Douglas was paroled after serving sixteen months of his sentence. His freedom was to be short-lived; Ottawa obtained a deportation order against him. Douglas fought the order, but on May 1, 1976, the man whom Diefenbaker had helped get into the country was declared a “national security risk,” and expelled.

[Emperah]

conspiracy is derived from the word conspire

:

Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act. (of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.

so can you think of a better word to describe these theories?

dat nuh ansah mi question, if any a wi have tinkin dat is not the "right way" of tinkin dem call wi conspiracy theorist, which is just a way of dashin anyting wi seh inna de abyss.

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[Tropicana]

Hey is RichD and im crew coin de words conspiracy theory. Mi just a point out to dem dat dem should not dismiss tings so quick and believe de status quo.

[RichD]

Too late at night for deep heavy discussions but in a nutshell.

It has been proven that:

- Jim Jones was CIA operative
- Destitute and poor people were being signed into his custody
- Mind control experiments were going on in Jones Town
- The message confirming that the deaths had taken place was sent from the CIA office inside the US office.

Survivors did say that Jim Jones had been using drugs heavily and he became more and more paronoid. Do I feel the deaths were sanctioned by the US government to cover everything up? No I think Jones just got out of control.

That is as deep as I am going to go at this hour. As I said there are in-depth documentaries on Youtube with CHILLING audio tapes of how the whole thing went down. The whole thing was audio taped due to Jones' paranoia.

Don't want to focus on this before bedtime and have nightmares.

CIA operative?...he was employed by tthe CIA doing their work?

who was signing over these people to him?

who sanctioned these mind control experiments? Were they being conducted on behalf of the US Gov?

[RichD]

Mi just a point out to dem dat dem should not dismiss tings so quick and believe de status quo.

the whole "believe the status quo" argument is BS. what si the status quo here? you making argument about proven facts so if dem is facts den what is status quo?

[Tropicana]

CIA operative?...he was employed by tthe CIA doing their work?

who was signing over these people to him?

who sanctioned these mind control experiments? Were they being conducted on behalf of the US Gov?

Watch de documentary noh man...min too tiyad and hot and if mi start chat bout dis at this late hour mi going ave nightmares fi true.

[RichD]

Watch de documentary noh man...min too tiyad and hot and if mi start chat bout dis at this late hour mi going ave nightmares fi true.

which documentary you talking about? ..you vaguely refer to videos on youtube as proof

[Tropicana]

YOu aren't capable of going to Youtube and doing a search for documentary Jones Town Massacre? There are many.

[Tropicana]

[Tropicana]

Actual transcript of what happened and recording made by Jim Jones...this is HIS voice.

Written version http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJones...e/Q042fbi.html

[Tropicana]

[Xavier]

why is everyting a conspiracy if it nuh line up wid certain ppl way of tinkin?

Thats what I also ask. I don't know where to find it but there was the mathematically formula created to show how many people you need to keep a large conspiracy secret. Basically it showed how 1 person typically will tell other people parts of a secret then the other tell someone etc. Kind of like gossip. In summary it says keeping a large conspiracy a secret is very difficult because we human love to "talk".