Rioting in Sweden

[Wahalla]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22650267

[Tuff Gong]

Seems things have been on a low boil for a minute!

[Wahalla]

Interesting I was having a conversation wit a Norge about how Swedes and Norwegian men were rude. But they were liberal in out look. his reply was. Yes we are liberal arseholes.

[lonewolf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22650267The rise of the right-wing Sweden Democrats party, which has called for a curfew in response to the violence, has polarised Swedes. The polls show most people still favour immigration though the majority is diminishing.
The Swedish riots have similarities with those in London two years ago and in Paris in 2005 - an incident triggered widespread attacks on property, although there is no evidence of looting in Stockholm as there was in London.
A nursery school in Kista was among buildings set alight by youths
But there does seem to be a particular Swedish problem. The country had a reputation for generosity and an especially welcoming attitude but now something is clearly going wrong.
Aje Carlbom, a social anthropologist at Malmo University, said the government needed to accept that immigrants arriving without an adequate education were likely to remain unemployed.
He said: "Maybe a lot of money should be invested in second- and third-generation immigrants, to make sure they learn Swedish. The parents' generation, I think, unfortunately, is probably a lost cause in terms of integration."

Immigration does not seem to work anywhere where hosts countries accept the uneducated.
Why should developed countries take in people that are clearly a burden to society and the citizens that reside in that country? Especially when there are not enough low level jobs to employ these uneducated immigrants.

And they thank the countries that take them in by rioting and destroying property?
Anti-immigration and resentment on both sides is the only thing that is accomplished when poorly thought out immigration programs are implemented.

[blugiant]

Immigration does not seem to work anywhere where hosts countries accept the uneducated.
Why should developed countries take in people that are clearly a burden to society and the citizens that reside in that country? Especially when there are not enough low level jobs to employ these uneducated immigrants.

And they thank the countries that take them in by rioting and destroying property?
Anti-immigration and resentment on both sides is the only thing that is accomplished when poorly thought out immigration programs are implemented.

joke ting diss

cah aff oyinbo countrees low birth rate dem need immigration fe maintain dem tandards aff livinn fe oyinbo through da xxploitation aff immigrants. fe try fe use an eeleetists argument bout poor uneducated immigrants fe xxcuse oyinbo racism nuh rite. immigrants lead to economic growth ann iff dem gitt ridd aff awl aff dem oyinbo tandards aff livinn wood decrease ann den itt wood be oyinbo protestinn ann since oyinbo usuallee more violent dat wood lead to biggar chubble.

[Tuff Gong]

Immigration does not seem to work anywhere where hosts countries accept the uneducated.
Why should developed countries take in people that are clearly a burden to society and the citizens that reside in that country? Especially when there are not enough low level jobs to employ these uneducated immigrants.

And they thank the countries that take them in by rioting and destroying property?
Anti-immigration and resentment on both sides is the only thing that is accomplished when poorly thought out immigration programs are implemented.

I would think culture more than education is the cause of most immigrants not fitting well. In a case where many of the immigrants are refugees from strife. It makes it all the more difficult everyone to adjust.
In any case I do not know from the article that is was the immigrants who are rioting and further the level of education they have.
To the extent that the rioters antecedents are of Swedes, who are not natural born. I would wager that they are very likely second generation offspring's of an earlier wave of Immigrants and are therefore Swedish Citizens and can no longer be considered Immigrants.

[Wahalla]

Tuffy there is always this issue.. it is not the first generation of immigrants that seem to have the riot... it is the second generation or those who were socailised by the metropole countryand more likely than not they are now citizen of the metropole country..... There are exceptions of course...

[queenb]

Dispute

Immigration does not seem to work anywhere where hosts countries accept the uneducated.
Why should developed countries take in people that are clearly a burden to society and the citizens that reside in that country? Especially when there are not enough low level jobs to employ these uneducated immigrants.

And they thank the countries that take them in by rioting and destroying property?
Anti-immigration and resentment on both sides is the only thing that is accomplished when poorly thought out immigration programs are implemented.

And how much education did the immigrants from Ireland and Italy have when they swamped the immigration roles in the early part of the 20th century? The uneducated and disenfranchised people from every country are the majority of citizens who emigrate and seek a better life in a new and supposedly democratic world. Those with education are usually afforded status in their home country and find no reason to leave.

[My Looh]

And how much education did the immigrants from Ireland and Italy have when they swamped the immigration roles in the early part of the 20th century? The uneducated and disenfranchised people from every country are the majority of citizens who emigrate and seek a better life in a new and supposedly democratic world. Those with education are usually afforded status in their home country and find no reason to leave.

Thanks for posting this queenb, good point! Apparently, however this argument is still not enough to be accepted by those who already have their minds made up about immigrants.

As an immigrant myself it makes me upset to see what some folks think about us. My family has never received as much as a red cent from the state. My father worked his butt off, paid his taxes and eventually built his own business and hired others to work for him, and they too paid taxes. He was what some may call "uneducated" but he was willing to work hard and do jobs that many Canadians were not willing to do. Today his grandchildren are all either going to college or working in their chosen careers, all contributing to help pay for the social programs that so called multi-generational Canadians enjoy and take for granted.

[lonewolf]

And how much education did the immigrants from Ireland and Italy have when they swamped the immigration roles in the early part of the 20th century? The uneducated and disenfranchised people from every country are the majority of citizens who emigrate and seek a better life in a new and supposedly democratic world. Those with education are usually afforded status in their home country and find no reason to leave.

That was a different time and era. The US was a fairly new industrialized nation that needed cheap labor to work in factories. Capitalism follows cheap labor and the US does not have a need for cheap labor in the 21st century because these jobs have been sent over seas to poor underdeveloped countries. There are not enough jobs for US citizens. Why accept immigrants into countries when employment is simply nonexistent? It does not make any sense.

[Wahalla]

That was a different time and era. The US was a fairly new industrialized nation that needed cheap labor to work in factories. Capitalism follows cheap labor and the US does not have a need for cheap labor in the 21st century because these jobs have been sent over seas to poor underdeveloped countries. There are not enough jobs for US citizens. Why accept immigrants into countries when employment is simply nonexistent? It does not make any sense.

the Swedes acknowledge they need immigrants. And the Norwegian even more so. (they are short literally a million people)... given their low birth rate.. Yes they need low skill workers to do the low level jopbas that locals dont want, the hewers of wood and haulers of water... cleaners... general labouring... .. much like despite the fact the is 56 % youth unemployment in spain, they need people to pick cucumbers in the plastic tunnels...

The issue is that the first generation were restricted by language culture and Xenophobia..(yeah in Scandinavia) . now the subsequent generation has come of age and dont see the world from the immigrant paradigm.... This generation by gradual degratation tacit inaction on the part of the authoroties was given the worst of the social benefit... If the praise of the Swedish education system is true then these rioters are well educated...Course they are not rioting this was set up by Swedish intelligence services...

[lonewolf]

joke ting diss

cah aff oyinbo countrees low birth rate dem need immigration fe maintain dem tandards aff livinn fe oyinbo through da xxploitation aff immigrants. .

That the biggest crock of bull sheet I've ever read. You make a blanket statement once more with your racist rhetoric. Only the rich oyinbo of the ruling elite class benefit from the exploitation of immigrants. The poor and the middle class, both white and black suffer from such exploitation because immigrants drive down wages.

And the reason oyinbo birth rate is down is because most(NOT ALL) oyinbo are responsible citizens and they know that children are expensive. They choose not to have children that they cannot feed...something other races should learn before they compulate. Don't know of many oyinbo that have baby mama.

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[lonewolf]

the Swedes acknowledge they need immigrants. And the Norwegian even more so. (they are short literally a million people)... given their low birth rate.. Yes they need low skill workers to do the low level jopbas that locals dont want, the hewers of wood and haulers of water... cleaners... general labouring... .. much like despite the fact the is 56 % youth unemployment in spain, they need people to pick cucumbers in the plastic tunnels...

The issue is that the first generation were restricted by language culture and Xenophobia..(yeah in Scandinavia) . now the subsequent generation has come of age and dont see the world from the immigrant paradigm.... This generation by gradual degratation tacit inaction on the part of the authoroties was given the worst of the social benefit... If the praise of the Swedish education system is true then these rioters are well educated...Course they are not rioting this was set up by Swedish intelligence services...

I was with you on your sensible arguement... until the last sentence when it became irrational.
Please explain why and what benefit the Swedish government would gain by staging riots?

Are you serious or being facetious?

[Wahalla]

I was with you on your sensible arguement... until the last sentence when it became irrational.
Please explain why and what benefit the Swedish government would gain by staging riots?

Are you serious or being facetious?

what u think ?