"RAW: Now you have raised the possibility of genocide before in books such as Black-on-Black Violence. Could you briefly talk about how Black-on-Black crime serves white supremacy by playing a role in our own genocide?
WILSON: Well, what we are experiencing in the African American community is not just confined to America. You'll find this experience in the Caribbean, in Africa, wherever you have large populations of Black people. You go to Brazil Black children are being shot in the streets; people just get in their cars and shoot Black children. You will find this sort of thing going on in Uruguay. A lot of us don't realize that there are large populations of Black People in Central America and South America. Africa is suffering tremendously. You can even look the millions of Blacks in Europe. We are finding that there is a general oppression of Black people across the globe as the global economic system reorganizes itself, and reorganizes itself in a way to leave Blacks out of the global economic system, just as they are being left out of domestic economic systems. What you're getting here when it comes back to Black-on=Black violence are reactions to the dynamic economic changes.
You've got a lot of people who want to lay all of this on family values and the absence of old time religion and things of this nature. And while that's a part of the mix, you cannot just blame this all on the loss of family values. People don't eat values, you know. You have to actually work; you have to feed your family. There are concrete material things that people have to have. The mere training of people in family values is not going to solve this problem. As a matter of fact, when you transform people's material position in the world, you transform their values. So a part of transfor- mation of the values that we complain about is a result of the transformation of the concrete living conditions of Black people.
The key to understanding the relationship that Black-on-Black crime has to white supremacy and genocide is knowing the context in which the problem occurs. Too often people want to talk about the problems that exist in the Black community as if they are unconnected to everything else going on in the country. This is a terrible mistake in analysis. You have to begin with the political and economic context in which a people exist in order to begin to understand their behavior. When Blacks commit violence against other Blacks, they're committing it within a certain political economic context. Violent acts are social acts. We may call them anti-social, but they are still social, whether anti- or pro-, which means that they have to do with the nature of relationships between people. That's what we mean when we use the world social. If we are to understand the social relationship of Blacks to whites and to the social and political system in which we exist When we look at this system under which we exist as Black people, we'll see a connection between it and the kind of behavior the Black community is undergoing at this particular time.
RAW: So you're saying that the rising tide of Black-on-Black crime is a direct result of the position of powerlessness that we currently occupy vis-a-vis the restructuring global economy?
WILSON: Yes, to a very great extent. We don't think of crime as serving a social function. Some people's negative behavior serves the interest of other people. For instance, Black children dropping out of school serves the interests of other people's children, who then don't have Black people to compete against. Our dropping out becomes a service to those who then can enter the positions for which we are no longer in competition.... As a matter of fact, during the first reconstruction, Blacks were robbed of the 40 acres and a mule promised them by the U.S. government as part of the REPARATIONS for slavery. A lot of people think that's just a myth; but that was an actual act of Congress. This would have given Blacks an economic leg up, an economic independence which would have served as a platform for our political independence as well.... the white planter recognized that if you gave Black people this kind of land, they would not be able to use them in the cotton fields; they wouldn't be able to profit from their destitution. It's important to understand how you actually create poverty in a people so that you can use their services. You strip them of everything; therefore, they become utterly dependent upon you, and you use their dependecy as a means of creating your own wealth and power.
Black people aren't poor by accident. This serves the interest of somebody. The energy that we put into hurting each other is the energy that we can't use to compete against other people. The stereotypes of Black-on-Black crime serve as a justification for other people to take advantage of us. But in a deeper sense, it serves to hide the criminality of whites. It makes us think that whites in America are not criminals and have not created a criminal.
WILSON: Well, what we are experiencing in the African American community is not just confined to America. You'll find this experience in the Caribbean, in Africa, wherever you have large populations of Black people. You go to Brazil Black children are being shot in the streets; people just get in their cars and shoot Black children. You will find this sort of thing going on in Uruguay. A lot of us don't realize that there are large populations of Black People in Central America and South America. Africa is suffering tremendously. You can even look the millions of Blacks in Europe. We are finding that there is a general oppression of Black people across the globe as the global economic system reorganizes itself, and reorganizes itself in a way to leave Blacks out of the global economic system, just as they are being left out of domestic economic systems. What you're getting here when it comes back to Black-on=Black violence are reactions to the dynamic economic changes.
You've got a lot of people who want to lay all of this on family values and the absence of old time religion and things of this nature. And while that's a part of the mix, you cannot just blame this all on the loss of family values. People don't eat values, you know. You have to actually work; you have to feed your family. There are concrete material things that people have to have. The mere training of people in family values is not going to solve this problem. As a matter of fact, when you transform people's material position in the world, you transform their values. So a part of transfor- mation of the values that we complain about is a result of the transformation of the concrete living conditions of Black people.
The key to understanding the relationship that Black-on-Black crime has to white supremacy and genocide is knowing the context in which the problem occurs. Too often people want to talk about the problems that exist in the Black community as if they are unconnected to everything else going on in the country. This is a terrible mistake in analysis. You have to begin with the political and economic context in which a people exist in order to begin to understand their behavior. When Blacks commit violence against other Blacks, they're committing it within a certain political economic context. Violent acts are social acts. We may call them anti-social, but they are still social, whether anti- or pro-, which means that they have to do with the nature of relationships between people. That's what we mean when we use the world social. If we are to understand the social relationship of Blacks to whites and to the social and political system in which we exist When we look at this system under which we exist as Black people, we'll see a connection between it and the kind of behavior the Black community is undergoing at this particular time.
RAW: So you're saying that the rising tide of Black-on-Black crime is a direct result of the position of powerlessness that we currently occupy vis-a-vis the restructuring global economy?
WILSON: Yes, to a very great extent. We don't think of crime as serving a social function. Some people's negative behavior serves the interest of other people. For instance, Black children dropping out of school serves the interests of other people's children, who then don't have Black people to compete against. Our dropping out becomes a service to those who then can enter the positions for which we are no longer in competition.... As a matter of fact, during the first reconstruction, Blacks were robbed of the 40 acres and a mule promised them by the U.S. government as part of the REPARATIONS for slavery. A lot of people think that's just a myth; but that was an actual act of Congress. This would have given Blacks an economic leg up, an economic independence which would have served as a platform for our political independence as well.... the white planter recognized that if you gave Black people this kind of land, they would not be able to use them in the cotton fields; they wouldn't be able to profit from their destitution. It's important to understand how you actually create poverty in a people so that you can use their services. You strip them of everything; therefore, they become utterly dependent upon you, and you use their dependecy as a means of creating your own wealth and power.
Black people aren't poor by accident. This serves the interest of somebody. The energy that we put into hurting each other is the energy that we can't use to compete against other people. The stereotypes of Black-on-Black crime serve as a justification for other people to take advantage of us. But in a deeper sense, it serves to hide the criminality of whites. It makes us think that whites in America are not criminals and have not created a criminal.
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