The Studies Are In, and Obamacare is Failing Miserably

[RichD]

RichD, you must not have been paying attention the last couple of years. Deregulating the banking/mortgage industry almost bankrupted the US and the world, because checks and balances were removed.
And that was something no other idiot could do in the previous 232 years (or less). Was it not?

so what happened in 1929?

[RichD]

The single payer is a system in which the government pays for all health care costs. No, I don't want government involved in paying for my health care. I don't want a failed system such as the Massachusetts model, nor do I want the problems of which you have in Canada.

which problems are you referring to?

[lonewolf]

so what happened in 1929?

What Happened in 1929

U.S.

• The 1929 St. Valentine's Day Massacre on February 14th. Seven gangsters rivaling Al Capone are murdered in Chicago, Illinois.

World

• Total of over 200,000 die from Influenza Epidemic.

U.S.

• Dow Reaches Peak of 381.17 on September 3rd prior to the slide and eventual wall street crash in October.

Canada

• The United States and Canada sign an agreement to protect Niagara Falls.

U.S.

• US Population reaches 120 Million.

Vatican

• Vatican City gains independence from Italy on June 7th and is created as its own State.

U.S.

• US Captures Mexican General J. Gonzalo Rebels.

U.S.

• Colonial Charles Lindberg leaves on a 3,500-mile flight from Detroit to Cape Horn.

U.S.

• The Wall Street Crash of 1929, is the stock-market crash that occurred starts on October 28thand started the period of The Great Depression in the United States, starting a world-wide economic crisis and lasting till the mid 30's.

S.

• Popeye, a comic strip character created by Elzie Crisler Segar, makes his debut.

U.S.

• Academy Awards, popularly known as the Oscars, are started.

U.S.

• Museum Of Modern Art opens in New York.

U.S.

• A start is made on the Rockefeller Center in New York.

U.S.

• The Broadway Melody becomes the first major musical film of the sound era.

U.S.

• The soft Drink 7-up is invented by Charles Leiper Grigg.

Germany

• The German airship Graf Zeppelin completes a round-the-world flight.

U.S.

• The first car radio is made by Motorola.

UK

• The First Public phone booths appear in London.

World

• The growth of Airplane travel continues with flights to destinations further and further apart including India, Australia, Europe, North and South America and Asia.

U.S.

• Edwin Hubble continued to publish much of the foundations for understanding our galaxies and much of the theory that modern astronomy is based on (Possibly why the Hubble Space Telescope was named after him).

Switzerland

• First Chain Saw Andreas Stihl a Swiss engineer begins manufacturing the first gasoline powered chain saw, which he soon begins exporting around the world.

U.S.A.

• Sunglasses Sam Foster begins selling sunglasses from his counter in Woolworths on the boardwalk in Atlanta which are great hit with the sunbathing public.

[Wahalla]

I want all health care free at the point of use....... it should be paid by our tax...

[remo]

which problems are you referring to?

I was jumping to ask this same question
Cat got his tongue

[lonewolf]

I was jumping to ask this same question
Cat got his tongue

No, I just returned to the forum after working a 14hr night shift in the Fire Department. Every now and again I need to work, sleep, eat etc.

You guys tell me what you think of the Canadian system. You have to use it.
Have you had to use the system for anything other then a non-serious illness?

The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care

David Gratzer

I was once a believer in socialized medicine. I don’t want to overstate my case: growing up in Canada, I didn’t spend much time contemplating the nuances of health economics. I wanted to get into medical school—my mind brimmed with statistics on MCAT scores and admissions rates, not health spending. But as a Canadian, I had soaked up three things from my environment: a love of ice hockey; an ability to convert Celsius into Fahrenheit in my head; and the belief that government-run health care was truly compassionate. What I knew about American health care was unappealing: high expenses and lots of uninsured people. When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.
My health-care prejudices crumbled not in the classroom but on the way to one. On a subzero Winnipeg morning in 1997, I cut across the hospital emergency room to shave a few minutes off my frigid commute. Swinging open the door, I stepped into a nightmare: the ER overflowed with elderly people on stretchers, waiting for admission. Some, it turned out, had waited five days. The air stank with sweat and urine. Right then, I began to reconsider everything that I thought I knew about Canadian health care. I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.
I decided to write about what I saw. By day, I attended classes and visited patients; at night, I worked on a book. Unfortunately, statistics on Canadian health care’s weaknesses were hard to come by, and even finding people willing to criticize the system was difficult, such was the emotional support that it then enjoyed. One family friend, diagnosed with cancer, was told to wait for potentially lifesaving chemotherapy. I called to see if I could write about his plight. Worried about repercussions, he asked me to change his name. A bit later, he asked if I could change his sex in the story, and maybe his town. Finally, he asked if I could change the illness, too

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

[My Looh]

lonewolf:

The article above is a great example of why we shouldn't believe everything we read on the web.

[lonewolf]

lonewolf:

The article above is a great example of why we shouldn't believe everything we read on the web.

Why? There are plenty of articles that are written about the problems with Canadian health care, and I had a conversation in Jamaica with a nurse from Canada and she admitted it was not a very good system.

[My Looh]

Why? There are plenty of articles that are written about the problems with Canadian health care, and I had a conversation in Jamaica with a nurse from Canada and she admitted it was not a very good system.

OK! You are the expert then. How can I argue with that?

\o/

[Wahalla]

Y should the health care system not be exactly like the fire service ? Free at point of use......

[twiney]

You guys tell me what you think of the CanaNdian system. You have to use it. While it is not perfect ... It is nice to know that in the middle of the night or day or morning or afternoon when my children are sick I can take them to an emergency room where they are seen by a pediatrician without being exposed to all of the adults and there trauma, get the necessary testing and treatment if required in a reasonable time (yes I have been in or out within 30 mins) without out of pocket expenses since my tax dollars and my contributions to fundraising provide for this care. And if I chose even if our ped is not available we can book an appointment with another in the practice similar results. To be treated by doctors myself who dont randomly handout prescriptions unless they have a good diagnosis I wont trade at all and everybody and them dog know some testing that is being requested might not be so necessary after all.

Have you had to use the system for anything other then a non-serious illness? Yes, and I had no problems (I have always gotten my appointments ahead of the 2 and 4 month waits they caution me on)

And even if you are a visitor and need treatment as Wahalla say they do get treatment ... really comforting to have that.

[lonewolf]

OK! You are the expert then. How can I argue with that?

\o/

What arguement? You provide nothing to argue for or against. You seem to be the expert, but you don't explain where you get your expertice. You tell me don't believe what I read on the internet. Yeah, I get that. Now, tell me what YOU have experienced.

Or maybe you don't have any experience with the system?

[lonewolf]

Y should the health care system not be exactly like the fire service ? Free at point of use......

But it is not free. Nothing is free. It has to be paid for just like any service. Tax payer pays for fire service. Tax payer pays for health service.

[lonewolf]

And even if you are a visitor and need treatment as Wahalla say they do get treatment ... really comforting to have that.

That's just peachy, but again! Some one gets the bill. THERE ARE NO FREE RIDES IN LIFE. SOMEONE ALWAYS PAYS!

[My Looh]

Or maybe you don't have any experience with the system?

lonewolf, I'll just say this. The older I get the less patience I find I have to debate a topic with someone who has already made up their mind about a topic.

You doubt my experience with the system. Fair enough, you don't know me from Adam so you have every right to doubt.

We will just have to disagree on this one.

Have yourself a good day!