Dancehall Block on head ting

[Peasie]

Music is very powerful. I can think of no revolution, good or bad, that has not had music as a method to entice people. Of course music is not the cause of the degradation of society's morals and mores. Rather, music is the expression of a society's or individual's reality and fantasy.

When someone is under the influence of mind-altering substances, it is difficult to distinguish between reality and fantasy. And when you are poor and without family, community, and society's support, you are desperate and you are more susceptible to the evil will of others.

So what to,do? Ban dancehall music? Tell people to "just say no" to dancehall? Well good luck with all that cause that's not gonna happen.

What about education? Not just book learning, but education as far as campaigns to encourage Jamaican women and men that they are above such atrocious behaviors. What about massive information campaigns about the ghastly outcomes - debasement, rape, murder - of such "dance" events?

[RichD]

because it is neither of the people, by the people nor for the people...

dat sound like yanki founding father concept.

so you have an idea of how to choose a government betta dan what dem using now?

[RichD]

legitimate guv mean itt represent da will ann interests aff jamaicans. legitimate authoritee affii cum fram da will aff da peeps. do yuh tink da guv doinn dat?

so how yuh decide what the will of the peeps is?
dont dem sey is election dem have fah dat?

[jah_yout]

you call that incoherent rambling music? ...and i'm not being a classist.

there has been and there still is some good dancehall music...but the bad far outnumbers the good right now

[jah_yout]

dat sound like yanki founding father concept.

so you have an idea of how to choose a government betta dan what dem using now?

i don't think you would dare say the gov't concept they have chosen so far is working...yanki gov't was based on the idea of democracy and republic-ism and so is jamaica's;
they have chosen to emulate their colonial masters governing concepts when they were not facing the same situation---ones and ones have to start thinking outside the box to come up with bold new concepts...

i have a few ideas but i don't know that the entrenched monopoly of the two-headed one-party state will allow any competition on their turf...they are completely corrupt, defunct & illegitimate...
an outside force will have to challenge them...blood may have to be shed....

[RichD]

i don't think you would dare say the gov't concept they have chosen so far is working..

the concept has proven to work in other places ..even other places in the caribbean

[jah_yout]

the concept has proven to work in other places ..even other places in the caribbean

question is; if something has proven to be a failure, should it be given a chance indefinitely...and should i keep trying something that has not worked simply because it worked for someone else...where is the imagination?

[RichD]

question is; if something has proven to be a failure, should it be given a chance indefinitely...and should i keep trying something that has not worked simply because it worked for someone else...where is the imagination?

so it comes back to my question..do you have a replacement?

[Xavier]

so it comes back to my question..do you have a replacement?

A very good question. Can take away something with out replacing it...bottom line is we live in a world of sensationalism and the music reflects it...

[blugiant]

so it comes back to my question..do you have a replacement?

yuh presupposed yuh need a replacement

[jah_yout]

so it comes back to my question..do you have a replacement?

Again I have a few ideas but the powers that be are not interested in any change or allowing any challenges to the existing completely corrupt defunct system...they know the typical Jamaican like you also will bawl out that nothing can be done so just make the best of what the masters give us...as I said...it will most likely change thru bloodshed...pnp-jlp two-headed one party will not allow any other forces to upset their racket

[RichD]

Again I have a few ideas but the powers that be are not interested in any change or allowing any challenges to the existing completely corrupt defunct system...they know the typical Jamaican like you also will bawl out that nothing can be done so just make the best of what the masters give us...as I said...it will most likely change thru bloodshed...pnp-jlp two-headed one party will not allow any other forces to upset their racket

change thru bloodshed cant think off hand of any example in recent history where we have seen that work.

do you have a example handy?

[jah_yout]

change thru bloodshed cant think off hand of any example in recent history where we have seen that work.

do you have a example handy?

It works for those with the biggest guns...Pnp-jlp dictatorship maintained their power thru bloodshed yet you consider them legitimate...
the US recently made some bloody violent changes in Iraq n Afghanistan so clearly the world still is run on violence as taught by the current rulers...the US only became great after a bloody war for independence and a bloody civil war...as well of decades of people fighting the government for more equality and justice...you seem to suggest that a govt will just give these things out of the kindness of their heart...

[RichD]

It works for those with the biggest guns...Pnp-jlp dictatorship maintained their power thru bloodshed yet you consider them legitimate...
the US recently made some bloody violent changes in Iraq n Afghanistan so clearly the world still is run on violence as taught by the current rulers...the US only became great after a bloody war for independence and a bloody civil war...as well of decades of people fighting the government for more equality and justice...you seem to suggest that a govt will just give these things out of the kindness of their heart...

so you holing up the Iraq and Afghanistan tings as example?

btw... is 1776 recent in your mind?

If is int he nature and the miseducation of the people to accept the current situation as being good for them why do you think that any radical change will be accepted as suddenly being good for them. if the people have been miseducated to think that the two headed beast is their salvation to the extent that they are willing to give their lives for the party why do you think lopping of the heads of the beast will make them see the light.

In my view what has to happen is you need to change from within ..you need to rather than cut off the heads you need to change the head..change the direction. change the way of thinking. my argument is that its not the construct of the system that is faulty but rather the way those in power are corrupting the system.

so you can change the system to anything that you want to change it to but unless you have the right leadership it will end up the same way .

[jah_yout]

so you holing up the Iraq and Afghanistan tings as example?

an example that even the so-called greatest country on earth believes in violent regime change when it deems it necessary

btw... is 1776 recent in your mind?

recent enough to recall the reason for it--- certain parties deciding that the present gov't was illegitimate and devising all means--including violent---to put an end to the dominion of the illegitimate gov't...

If is int he nature and the miseducation of the people to accept the current situation as being good for them why do you think that any radical change will be accepted as suddenly being good for them.

i don't know that it is the nature of the people to accept the garbage that the gov't throws at them...it is accepted mostly because the people have no power to change it...and don't tell me that voting is the power...it has changed nothing...

if the people have been miseducated to think that the two headed beast is their salvation to the extent that they are willing to give their lives for the party why do you think lopping of the heads of the beast will make them see the light.

like elijah muhammad in the denzel malcolm x movie...if you give the people only dirty water, they have no choice but to drink that...but if they see clean water, most will choose the clean...

In my view what has to happen is you need to change from within ..you need to rather than cut off the heads you need to change the head..change the direction. change the way of thinking. my argument is that its not the construct of the system that is faulty but rather the way those in power are corrupting the system.

or those in power lack the will to change and can not be depended upon to chart a different course---this sort of business takes great courage as there are powerful forces which oppose the freedom of the people---but what is proven is that the two-headed beast is completely defunct & incapable of insightful leadership or leadership in the interest of the majority jamaican people rather than for the ruling families & multinationals & colonial powers

so you can change the system to anything that you want to change it to but unless you have the right leadership it will end up the same way .

i agree but a corrupt system can not produce an honest leader...it will be someone/s outside of the current corrupt establishment to bring much needed livity to the rock