Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 06:33 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am afraid it cant be that general, what kind of women, black women? where are these black women?
I am very proud of women in the Caribbean.

Halle Berry and Rita Marley in de same soup? </div></div>

I haven't seen any studies re: Caribbean women and self-esteem except for the ones done with Jamaican adolescents. These studies showed a tremendous high degree of discomfort with being Black but tht is a WHOLE other thread. The studies didn't compare the males and females.

Studies with comparing White women and African American women have shown that the White women struggle with body image disatisfaction more than the White women.

The reason I put Halle Berry and Rita Marley together is that they were both in relationships in which they were being disrespected. In one of Hale Berry's relationships, her husband beat her up so badly that she has lost hearing in one ear. I also think that any woman who is going to put up with a man rooskin around with her and embarrassing her in public with it must be having some challenges with self-esteem. Rita is an attractive, bright, HIGHLY gifted, and articulate woman. Cindy was attractive and accomplished and she is articulate. Yet she put up with Bob rooksin around on her with some of her friends. Again, despite the fact that she was gorgeous enough to win an international beauty pageant, something seemed to be amiss when it came to confidence. Both of these women did seem to mature and develop more confidence but that came later in life.

Anyway, that is why I bring up some of these examples. I'll give you another one...Robin Givens. People wondered why she would hook up with someone like Tyson. There was speculation that she was using him to get the publicity as his wife to help her career. Who knows. Bottom line is, she didn't put up with his abuse for very long.

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 06:38 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> yu r.. yu want man fi ha issues af can fi confidence... cris about being attractive, issues of self esteem, complaining bout dem big batty </div></div>

Quite the opposite actually. I think that many women who struggle with self esteem SHOULD have a lot more confidence based on what they have going for them. I think women need to be more like men in that respect.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> .. read why me write wi differrnet. caused by blood chemisty.. caused by DNA.. caused by evolutionary drivers.simple... See the isreali study on women in their armed forces.. It is not a question of liberation or equality it is simply we are different....

Till a woman can stagger down the street, with a lick ova, smelling like a brewry and a huge beer belly but but still think she is the sexist person on the planet then unno wi ha acrisis
</div></div>

Well that is my point. A lot of guys like that DO think they are the sexist men alive. Look at that slob who was caught rooksin on the beach in Dubai. NOTHING to write home about.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mr Acors - nicknamed 'Vince Charming' for his success with the opposite sex </span>

Yet, the experience did not crampe his style in the least. He continued partying, clubbing and living it up. He has been giving media interviews alll OVER the place. Yet Michele, the woman with whom he was caught, was so traumatized by the experience that she immediately went into hiding after the incident and she is STILL in hiding.

**Wahalla** · 04-07-2009, 06:42 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

to quote a great yankee poet...

if we were the men that you wanted.. We could not be the men that we are....

And see you brought blonds into the thread.. he was blond and he was shagging a blond on the beach.. next mark to hit,, no dates as a teenager!!!

**Wahalla** · 04-07-2009, 06:44 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Till a woman can stagger down the street, with a lick ova, smelling like a brewry and a huge beer belly but but still think she is the sexist person on the planet then unno wi ha acrisis </div></div>

Lol !,..you obviously havent been to newcastle on a saturday night. </div></div>

nah cant say I have.. Aberdeen on a Friday night has more drunk Belicise blonds per head than Newcastle.. The scots have a passion for technicolour yawms!!!!

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 06:53 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to quote a great yankee poet...

if we were the men that you wanted.. We could not be the men that we are....

And see you brought blonds into the thread.. he was blond and he was shagging a blond on the beach.. next mark to hit,, no dates as a teenager!!! </div></div>

Read my lips. he is not blonde and the woman he was shagging on de people dem beach was not blonde either.

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 06:55 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Till a woman can stagger down the street, with a lick ova, smelling like a brewry and a huge beer belly but but still think she is the sexist person on the planet then unno wi ha acrisis </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Lol !,..you obviously havent been to newcastle on a saturday night. </div></div>

Dot the Brits behave as wild at home as they do in place like Dubai and even Jamaica for that matter.

**neutral** · 04-07-2009, 06:57 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Read my lips. he is not blonde and the woman he was shagging on de people dem beach was not blonde either.

</div></div>

Tropi`,..it sounds sexy when you write about shagging...bbbrrrr !

**rufian** · 04-07-2009, 06:58 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am afraid it cant be that general, what kind of women, black women? where are these black women?
I am very proud of women in the Caribbean.

Halle Berry and Rita Marley in de same soup? </div></div>

I haven't seen any studies re: Caribbean women and self-esteem except for the ones done with Jamaican adolescents. These studies showed a tremendous high degree of discomfort with being Black but tht is a WHOLE other thread. The studies didn't compare the males and females.

Studies with comparing White women and African American women have shown that the White women struggle with body image disatisfaction more than the White women.

The reason I put Halle Berry and Rita Marley together is that they were both in relationships in which they were being disrespected. In one of Hale Berry's relationships, her husband beat her up so badly that she has lost hearing in one ear. I also think that any woman who is going to put up with a man rooskin around with her and embarrassing her in public with it must be having some challenges with self-esteem. Rita is an attractive, bright, HIGHLY gifted, and articulate woman. Cindy was attractive and accomplished and she is articulate. Yet she put up with Bob rooksin around on her with some of her friends. Again, despite the fact that she was gorgeous enough to win an international beauty pageant, something seemed to be amiss when it came to confidence. Both of these women did seem to mature and develop more confidence but that came later in life.

Anyway, that is why I bring up some of these examples. I'll give you another one...Robin Givens. People wondered why she would hook up with someone like Tyson. There was speculation that she was using him to get the publicity as his wife to help her career. Who knows. Bottom line is, she didn't put up with his abuse for very long. </div></div>

I see what you mean. BUT I get the feeling that you are attaching self esteem to relationships. Relationships say something about the partners self-esteem but that is not all.
In other words, why is relationship the centerpiece of this?

**rufian** · 04-07-2009, 06:59 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Read my lips. he is not blonde and the woman he was shagging on de people dem beach was not blonde either.

</div></div>

Tropi`,..it sounds sexy when you write about shagging...bbbrrrr ! </div></div>
why you always a provoke de ooman? go find a woman dat can deal wid your case man

**f0rTyLeGz** · 04-07-2009, 07:01 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...no matter HOW MUCH a woman has going for her, many still struggle. They could be attractive, intelligent, educated, articulate, talented, and successful yet STILL there is a struggle for many. </div></div>
So high self esteem has nothing to do with being attractive, intelligent, educated, articulate, talented, or successful.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Contract(sic) this with men. One doesn't see too many articles (or any for that matter) in men's magazines dealing with self-esteem.</div></div>

So men have higher self-esteem than men because YOU don't see articles about that topic in Men's Mags? Give me a break!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...if a guy is REALLY hot looking I amuse myself by pushing his buttons until he freaks out and I am VERY effective at doing it too. Then I I just love to get under that unflappable, in conrol exterior.</div></div>

So DEEP! "Hot looking" in your world equals high self esteem? You should read what you have written Tropi. Men with high self esteem are "hot looking," "unflappable," and "in control." But you are able to "get under" that illusion! Let me assure you that there is nothing that is a bigger turn-off that a person of the opposite sex, who is hell bent on making you wrong.

Self esteem is an emotion, a FEELING. It is a feeling that you know what is going on here.

**neutral** · 04-07-2009, 07:01 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Dot the Brits behave as wild at home as they do in place like Dubai and even Jamaica for that matter. </div></div>

Not in matters of sex,they are very conservative about sex,that is why they let it all hang out when they go on holiday.

On a saturday night in most city centres you can see lots of drunken behaviour,fights,heavy makeup being smeared,,handbags swinging,.............and that`s just the men.

**neutral** · 04-07-2009, 07:03 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
why you always a provoke de ooman? go find a woman dat can deal wid your case man </div></div>

Me and tropi` are cool man,she does sound horny when she start talking dirty though.

**rufian** · 04-07-2009, 07:05 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...no matter HOW MUCH a woman has going for her, many still struggle. They could be attractive, intelligent, educated, articulate, talented, and successful yet STILL there is a struggle for many. </div></div>
So high self esteem has nothing to do with being attractive, intelligent, educated, articulate, talented, or successful.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Contract(sic) this with men. One doesn't see too many articles (or any for that matter) in men's magazines dealing with self-esteem.</div></div>

So men have higher self-esteem than men because YOU don't see articles about that topic in Men's Mags? Give me a break!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...if a guy is REALLY hot looking I amuse myself by pushing his buttons until he freaks out and I am VERY effective at doing it too. Then I I just love to get under that unflappable, in conrol exterior.</div></div>

So DEEP! "Hot looking" in your world equals high self esteem? You should read what you have written Tropi. Men with high self esteem are "hot looking," "unflappable," and "in control." But you are able to "get under" that illusion! Let me assure you that there is nothing that is a bigger turn-off that a person of the opposite sex, who is hell bent on making you wrong.

Self esteem is an emotion, a FEELING. It is a feeling that you know what is going on here.

</div></div>
Me agree with everything all to your definition of self-esteem but then again it is a self thing.
If she gets it from her looks then the only mistake she is making is to assume that everybody do it that way. The same mistake that you are making

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 07:07 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Read my lips. he is not blonde and the woman he was shagging on de people dem beach was not blonde either.

</div></div>

Tropi`,..it sounds sexy when you write about shagging...bbbrrrr ! </div></div>

I am learning new words all the time. Like the word whanker.... I had never heard it until about 3 years ago. Now I hear it all the time in British movies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On a saturday night in most city centres you can see lots of drunken behaviour,fights,heavy makeup being smeared,,handbags swinging,.............and that`s just the men. </div></div>

Remember in old movies they always used to portray the Scottish people as really wild and rowdy. Now it looks like the English have caught up.

**Tropicana** · 04-07-2009, 07:10 PM

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see what you mean. BUT I get the feeling that you are attaching self esteem to relationships. Relationships say something about the partners self-esteem but that is not all.
In other words, why is relationship the centerpiece of this? </div></div>

It isn't the centrepiece. I am just using that as one example. Someone who feels good about themself wouldn't put up with that kind of mistreatment, at least not for very long.

Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

ads