Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is not the dominance that infliences self esteem far from it.
It is rather the admiration loving support and opportunity to hine their manipulative skills of a member of the oppositesex. everytime a child is succesful at manipulating a parent with positive means, it increases their self esteem.
when it is the parent of the opposite sex, it is twice as effective.
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Furthermore, both parents are necessary for this and not just the opposite sex.
Are you saying that a male child's self-esteem will suffer more from the absence of his mother than his mother? </div></div>I am saying that the male child's self esteem will suffer with th eabsence of his mother or some mother figure that nurtures him, even if his father is peesent.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Condilezza,.... Low self esteem. </div></div>
How come? </div></div> There are 2 ways low self esteem is expressed. the intrioverted, or express obvioys inferiority in theor lives. and the extriverted way, in which they act as if they are superior to others. Bothe result in lonliness in th elong run.

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree but I am curious. What word would you give to decribe these guys who strut around like they think they are so hot.</div></div>
That is &quot;machismo.&quot; Swagger... boastiness. It is not a manifestation of high self esteem. These are pretty much cultural behaviors that are learned. Postures that people take to intimidate others of the same sex.

High self esteem is a whole other kettle of fish. High self esteem comes from how you were treated as a child. It comes from your parents making you RIGHT. It comes from your parents being on your side. It comes from never being hit when you are wrong, but from hugs when you are right.

[Tropicana]

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Okay Neutral. Would you say that Bob Marley had a high level of self-esteem or was he cocky? Boasy?

Based on how he carried himself (appearance the hair, the clothe) and the fact that he seemed to have a need to rooks everything in sight, my guess would be that something was lacking in his self-esteem. He did seem to seek validation from women. Why would he have a need to do this since he was so talented and successful? It noh make no sense. The way in which he talked though gave off the vibe that he was really super confident. There was an attitude like this is me take it or leave it I am not going to change for anyone. Remember what he said when Prince Charles wanted to meet him. He is the one who wants to meet me. If he wants to meet me he must come to ME!!! I am not going over to him. Is that ballsy or what? Does it display confidence? I dunno. Did they ever meet by the way?

He grew up with Bunny yet Bunny carries himself very differently. Peter, Bunny even Family Man when they were interviewed always spoke very clearly. Bob was capable of that as a few times he would slip into standard English for a sentence or two.

[Tropicana]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lord we too mixup. Which literature?
The literature say that African-American women have low esteem. You said otherwise, I have always read otherwise.
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The literature was not speaking specifically about African American women.

Re: African American woman, the book Black Rage has a whole chapter bout African American woman and based on their clinical work, Cobbs and Price concluded that many African American women have self-esteem issues. What I was referring to before Sukuna was BODY image related to weight. The comparison was between White and African American women.

[f0rTyLeGz]

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Someone we all see who has high self esteem is Barak Obama. He doesn't go around making others wrong. He makes them right. He isn't full of bluster and swagger and cliche's like Bush. He is comfortable with how he is with the world. He doesn't have to act a way.

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[Tropicana]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

Now we haven't even touched on cocky white boys yet but here is another guy thinks he is hot stuff.



GREAT ACTOR but his interview in Ebony Magazine really turned me off. He was dating an attractive Jamaican woman with dreadlocks at the time and he would fly down to Jamaica.often to see her. In the interview he spoke about his unwillingness to commit to women. He said something like if he was in a relationship and all of a sudden the woman started to pressure for commitment &quot;I got to fly&quot;. Apparently, the Jamaican woman wasn't pressuring him and he appreciated this about her..

He dated reggae singer Dhaima Matthews for 4 years and the couple had 2 children (not sure if she is the one with dreadlocks). He eventually married Kassandra Green Thomas and she filed a domestic violence complaint against him.

Anyway another cocky guy who di gwan like a &quot;pretty bwoy&quot;. So was he cocky or confident? Did he have a high level of self-esteem?

[Seveen]

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[Tropicana]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree but I am curious. What word would you give to decribe these guys who strut around like they think they are so hot.</div></div>
That is &quot;machismo.&quot; Swagger... boastiness. It is not a manifestation of high self esteem. These are pretty much cultural behaviors that are learned. Postures that people take to intimidate others of the same sex.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
High self esteem is a whole other kettle of fish. High self esteem comes from how you were treated as a child. It comes from your parents making you RIGHT. It comes from your parents being on your side. It comes from never being hit when you are wrong, but from hugs when you are right. </div></div>

Okay I agree. So would you say that Bob Marley and Philip Michael Thomas had high levels of confidence abd self esteen or was it just strutting and machismo? Now you say that the machismo is to impress (my word) and intimidate (your word) other men? Does the swaggering and boasiness have anything to do with women...in other words, do these guys think it make them more attractive to women or does this not come into play? Frankly, it turns me right off.

[rufian]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lord we too mixup. Which literature?
The literature say that African-American women have low esteem. You said otherwise, I have always read otherwise.
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The literature was not speaking specifically about African American women.

Re: African American woman, the book Black Rage has a whole chapter bout African American woman and based on their clinical work, Cobbs and Price concluded that many African American women have self-esteem issues. What I was referring to before Sukuna was BODY image related to weight. The comparison was between White and African American women. </div></div>
Twist of theme because this is not clear in the beginning. So how you say before that it was about Jamaicans and their issues with being black.
So you believe this study vs the ones that claim the African-Americans have higher esteem than white women?

If you believe that being fat is a result of low self esteem or is an indicator, then a fart that

And why you a generalize women vs men in your title?

Imagine me in a well, instead a me try get out, me a call everybody down in the well. It kyaan go so

[rufian]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Condilezza,.... Low self esteem. </div></div>
How come? </div></div> There are 2 ways low self esteem is expressed. the intrioverted, or express obvioys inferiority in theor lives. and the extriverted way, in which they act as if they are superior to others. Bothe result in lonliness in th elong run. </div></div>

Ok, I get your point. I am still convinced that high self esteem can be had with the absence of the parent of opposite sex. I also believe again that the presence and attention of both parents is the ideal and not just the opposite sex and that attention of the opposite sex in general plays an important role.

Where I agree with you is, in a society where the men are considered men when they are rared void of female presence - it is clear why this i necessary.

However, even in a single parent household with the absence of a father, other factors can contribute to the male child ending up with low self esteem. Not only that, out of the negative you get positive.

How do you reflect on your society? Do you find that the females have a higher self-esteem than their male counterparts? Just by guess work, it would appear that the male parent are for the most absent. Even when present in many cases they do more harm than if they were absent.

My immediate experience is of no use but the degrading behaviour towards women from black men tells a lot.

[f0rTyLeGz]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Okay I agree. So would you say that Bob Marley and Philip Michael Thomas had high levels of confidence abd self esteen or was it just strutting and machismo? </div></div>
I don't think that confidence is the same as high self-esteem. I figure that self-esteem can be graded along a bell curve... but, most people have low self-esteem... it's a steep curve. I can't really say about Bob... but I figure a person with high self=esteem wouldn't feel the need to boast and strut.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now you say that the machismo is to impress (my word) and intimidate (your word) other men? Does the swaggering and boasiness have anything to do with women...in other words, do these guys think it make them more attractive to women or does this not come into play? Frankly, it turns me right off. </div></div>
Many women are attracted to bling and machismo... no doubt about that.

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but I figure a person with high self=esteem wouldn't feel the need to boast and strut.

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well yu na have no pride

[Wahalla]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but I figure a person with high self=esteem wouldn't feel the need to boast and strut.

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well yu na have no pride </div></div>

As some one with no self esteem... who is called a liar, sell out filled with self loathing..

I wonder why doth the lady need to get under good looking men skin.. why doth she seek power ??? What is the power any way??? is this need to make men flap a need to compensate for her fragility ????? Is this need for &quot;self esteems&quot; the need to compensate for the insecurity of needing self esteem ??? is it a cry for help or an attempt to get attention from men ??? issues of an overburdening alpha male and all of that stuff..

Women are geared this way.. men are geared another way ??? nature compensates by making babies of alpha males look like their fathers at birth then metamorphise into their mothers.. all mi pickni dem fava dem mada....

[rufian]

Re: Men vs Women and Self-Esteem

Dr. Dudd might have to consider the effects of male peers on the self-esteem vs the parent of the opposite sex.