"Black People, Babies, And Breakups"

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs. MarieK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wonder what makes white men shirk their responsibilities </div></div>
White men don't do that!! you crazy?? it [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] is all in de genes.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shandra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The quicker we call a 'spade' a 'spade', the further ahead we'll move. Right now, it's almost as if we are up the creek and everyone seems to be saying,
"Oh what's that lovely smell?"...for fear of... </div></div>
It is all about economics Not about race. So there is nothing to call spade.
Why is it that in Jamaica the majority of the male workers with good jobs like bauxite and professional posts, are married and maintain stable relationships.
Why is it that most Jamaican men marry later in life after they have some financial security? there are those who contribute to the "wutliss black man" theory,simply to support their policy of keeping them unemployed and in prison. As a means of having near slave labour in the employment mix.

[Suesumba]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also think that there is a certain "defensiveness" in our community when light is shone on our dirt. That every ethnic group has its own dirt is of little relevance really, and the only benefit from comparing is psychological; we are either better or not as bad as the other guy. Yet even if that is true, it doesn't change what is happening in our community.

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and there's none of that in this post [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70388-shameonyou.gif[/img]

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We both got caught up in the author, and not the content [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img] </div></div>

I noticed, but have to admit I sort of expected it [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One statement I saw (can't recall now, maybe it was something about black men's excessive testerone) seemed so way off base, that it completely discredited the whole thing for me. Sorry CEW&gt;... </div></div>

But what if it was scientifically proven though? Interestingly, FIFA - soccer's governing body - is conducting a worldwide study to determine if players from various ethnic populations have different naturally occurring testosterone levels. Some initial research seem to suggest the author may be on to something.

I'm hoping you'll read the rest of the list though (8-11), because I have heard those arguments so many times. Do you find those arguments reasonable?
</div></div>That cannot be scientifically proven because it has nothing to do with race.
It is scientifically proven that this is common in all repressed groups in every country.
In Northern Ireland That is rampant in in the Catholic community. because they are not allowed employmentin any position of responsibillity.
Yes that is the brutish secret, they way they treat Catholics and the result that mirrors the theory they have been promoting as black.
Why did this person not compare other cultures that are not devided according to race?
That would be a first step if it was scientific..

[MarieK]

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Agree, you never hear about the good things a black man does and frankly you never will.

[Fyah]

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Dr. Dudd. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]


That is so true MarieK. The pattern is a repeat of the same bitterness against black men, spewed by the same people.

I can't imagine being in their skin and hating what is in the mirror so much that it is projected on to every black man, woman and child.

The hate that they spew, is disguised as being 'honest about black people' and anyone who share an opposing view is usually dismissed as 'not keeping it real or hiding the truth about our people'. Give me a darn break! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70400-talktohand.gif[/img]

My question to the few black people on here (mostly women) who so bitterly despise black men, women and children (mostly teenagers), what are you doing to address your issues? It is obvious that you have been abused somewhere, somehow. How do you plan to heal yourself before it consumes you?

*YOU* know yourself and know very well that I am talking to *YOU*. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/throwstone.gif[/img]

[rufian]

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most likely to be an economical issue rather than race. although the sample very small, this study shows that men na see children as a fullfilment out of a relationship although some women do.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070711/sc_livescience/studywomenareinchargeathome

[Diplomat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most likely to be an economical issue rather than race. although the sample very small, this study shows that men na see children as a fullfilment out of a relationship although some women do.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...inchargeathome </div></div>
The samplings in the artilce were that of married couples. I'm curious as to whether the dynamics would be a bit different than it is for couples who cohabited or lived apart. One of the anecdotal evidences against some men is the tendency to "give in" - the 'yes, dear' complex - than entertain a discussion about relationship issues. Given that the topics under discussion, in the article, each lasted all of ten minutes, makes me wonder if some of that dynamics came into play.

[paradiseplease88]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

6. Black males don’t in general trust black females because they have noticed — that too many of them are sexually promiscuous, just like many black men are sexually promiscuous.

<span style="color: #6633FF">This is new to me, I had not heard of this stereotype, as far as women go. I knew that most black men are labeled to be players more than any other race, But I had heard it's not easy to get it from black women, that's why they turn to white women. ( no offense to anyone)</span>

7. Genetic – blacks produce more testosterone than any other ethnic group, and the more testosterone you produce the more you sexually active you want to be. Even if you don’t act upon the urge to go have sex you still have the feelings.

<span style="color: #6633FF">I think this has to do with how you were raised, not just because someone is supposed to have too much testosterone. So I guess black men are never going to need Viagra. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img]</span>


8. Too many black woman and men have disagreeable attitudes and negative dispositions so, they date each other but don’t feel like getting married because then they will have to deal with each others negative attitudes.

<span style="color: #6633FF">Again I don't think that it's the attitude but the fact that marraige may not be a strong priority in how they were raised.</span>

9. A baby is like a marriage and many black men don’t want to be attached to the black woman they have a out of wedlock kid with — because the kid is like a binding cord that says you must deal with the mother also even if you don’t want to.

<span style="color: #6600CC">This seems to be somewhat true with regards to the men not wanting to be attached to a woman with a bad attitude. But I don't think it is looked upon like a marraige, just the person they were dealing with.</span>

10. Too many black women are sexually easy to have sex with and they put no demands on the black man. So black men don’t feel pressure that would turn into obligations to respect black women and take care of the children.

<span style="color: #6600CC">Look at answer for #6 As far as respecting a black woman, A "player" doesn't have respect for any woman, not just black.</span>

11. Black men just enjoy their freedom of not be obligated to a female. No commitment, no responsibility, no marriage, no financial obligation to take care of the black woman, etc many black men enjoy this type of freedom.

<span style="color: #6600CC">This to me seems true but again based on how one was raised.
I don't think people raised with diffrent values would still end up like this.</span>

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[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most likely to be an economical issue rather than race. although the sample very small, this study shows that men na see children as a fullfilment out of a relationship although some women do.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...inchargeathome </div></div>
The samplings in the artilce were that of married couples. I'm curious as to whether the dynamics would be a bit different than it is for couples who cohabited or lived apart. One of the anecdotal evidences against some men is the tendency to "give in" - the 'yes, dear' complex - than entertain a discussion about relationship issues. Given that the topics under discussion, in the article, each lasted all of ten minutes, makes me wonder if some of that dynamics came into play. </div></div>
hmm interesting view. but commonlaw marriage a marriage same way, no?

[MarieK]

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Frankly, this entire article is bull crap.

[Yvonne N.]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rundung</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...My question to the few black people on here (mostly women) who so bitterly despise black men, women and children (mostly teenagers), what are you doing to address your issues? It is obvious that you have been abused somewhere, somehow. How do you plan to heal yourself before it consumes you?

*YOU* know yourself and know very well that I am talking to *YOU*. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/throwstone.gif[/img] </div></div>

<span style="color: #006600">Since I partook in the discussion, I will comment briefly.


I could easily ignore this issue and remain seated in my comfortable home with my wonderful family and not give a hoot...but that's not how I live. My purpose far exceeds that.

However, let me not digress.

For a variety of reasons, over the years, I have been made aware of some of these situations that closely parallel the comments made by the blogger. Once you are privy to the inside information, you get to see the pain clearly caused by some these ill-advised activities and ill-conceived unions.

So my dear Rungdung, for me, it's all about love...love for people of all colours and races and creeds...who have little hope for a bright future due to inadequate arrangements put in place by the adults responsible for hosting family units.

You see, there's a reason for family. It's supposed to be the system that takes care of the young, nurture and protect them so that they become fully functioning human beings,knowing how to survive. If speaking up about it makes me abused, then you know something I don't and I find that , rather presumptious, to say the least.

Abuse seems to be the 'catch-all' term in your neck of the woods as a panacea for all ills. In my world, you get your shoulder to the wheel...and stop telling the Emperor about his beautiful clothing.

Anyway, this is not a time for trumpet - blowing so I will not answer your call as to my involvement in character education but I will certainly suggest that you be sure to do something to address any pertinent issues in your town.



You are much too intelligent to cheapen the issues by deriding posters. I am sure your childhood was as beautiful as mine and the one I provided for my family</span>.

[Diplomat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">most likely to be an economical issue rather than race. although the sample very small, this study shows that men na see children as a fullfilment out of a relationship although some women do.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...inchargeathome </div></div>
The samplings in the artilce were that of married couples. I'm curious as to whether the dynamics would be a bit different than it is for couples who cohabited or lived apart. One of the anecdotal evidences against some men is the tendency to "give in" - the 'yes, dear' complex - than entertain a discussion about relationship issues. Given that the topics under discussion, in the article, each lasted all of ten minutes, makes me wonder if some of that dynamics came into play. </div></div>
hmm interesting view. but commonlaw marriage a marriage same way, no? </div></div>
From my perspective, there may be some similarities but they are distinctly different.

[Wahalla]

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At the moment in the UK the concervative party have laid alot of societal blame at the feet of the lacvk of support to marriage...

Personally my perspective is that marriage is the most difficult thing two people can do... To much emphersis is placed on the ceromony and not enough on the reality...

Ever seen any one discuss on here how they are going to have to change theie behaviour when they marry ? And how often any one discuss the colour of the brides maids dress, the music, the church ????

How often has any one discussed how often you have those petty disagreements.. or how to cope with the stress of living together ????

I have a blame the Oprahisation of society...

Living together is the hardest thing two people can do....

[ZaraJah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At the moment in the UK the concervative party have laid alot of societal blame at the feet of the lacvk of support to marriage...

Personally my perspective is that marriage is the most difficult thing two people can do... To much emphersis is placed on the ceromony and not enough on the reality...

Ever seen any one discuss on here how they are going to have to change theie behaviour when they marry ? And how often any one discuss the colour of the brides maids dress, the music, the church ????

How often has any one discussed how often you have those petty disagreements.. or how to cope with the stress of living together ????

I have a blame the Oprahisation of society...

Living together is the hardest thing two people can do.... </div></div>

That sounds pretty sad.

I often wonder why people feel the need to get married. Why if it is such a bad thing?

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