"Black People, Babies, And Breakups"

[Diplomat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zarah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs. MarieK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agree, you never hear about the good things a black man does and frankly you never will.</div></div>
And whose fault is that? It is said that one in four black men are in prison, and we hear about those ones just about every day via the mass media. How often do you hear about the three of four who are not imprisoned and making useful contributions to society? It's a societal thing; good news doesn't sell newspapers and ads, and frankly some people love the drama of dsyfunction.

Maybe those involved with black men, one way or another, who are doing "good things" should start threads about those men? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] In the meantime, let's not pretend we don't have our dirt. That the majority of black men may be constructively engaged does not mean that we as a community do not have some serious social issues that need addressing. </div></div>

FRANKLY, I think you have a lot of nerves to say that. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70400-talktohand.gif[/img]

I am sick and tired of black men expecting and requesting that black women protect them, nurture them and uplift them.

What are you doing to dispel the myth CEW? Do you mentor black young men and do you go to the press with the positive things black men are doing in your society?

Why are MORE black men defending the nonsense? Why should the burden always rest on the shoulders of the black women...from the cradle to the grave? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad2.gif[/img]

STEP UP BLACK MEN and do more than spreading the stereotypical bull about you and your brothers. HE IS NOT HEAVY, HE(whom they denegrate and astrocize) IS YOUR BROTHER! </div></div>

Ah, the sterility of words posted on a BBS; the do not convey intent, do they? It would have been a lot easier to ask if I was suggesting women take up the mantle of "defending" black men. IMO, that would be quite the burden and not one she should have to carry. The black men who choose to lead irresponsible lives are the ones that need to step up to the plate and start doing right. Why should anybody have to carry their burden?

[Blackstar*]

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On a related note, a report released today states that teen pregnancies in the US are at an all-time low:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The teen birth rate, the report said, was 21 per 1,000 young women ages 15-17 in 2005 -- an all-time low. It was down from 39 births per 1,000 teens in 1991.

"This is very good news," said Sondik. "Young teen mothers and their babies are at a greater risk of both immediate and long-term difficulties."

The birth rate in the 15-19 age group was 40 per 1,000 in 2005, also down sharply from the previous decade.

The report was released by the Federal Interagency Forum on Child and Family Statistics -- a consortium of federal agencies that includes the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the Census Bureau and the Administration for Children and Families.

On the Net:

Report available after midnight: http://childstats.gov

Source </div></div>

[rufian]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zarah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs. MarieK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs. MarieK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Frankly, this entire article is bull crap. </div></div>
how so? </div></div>

sigh </div></div>
well write one article nuh? if black man all dat bad an unfit for family dem wudnt have de rush? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] </div></div>

Have you written any articles Sukuna? You seem to have a lot of interesting knowledge/insights about black people in general and I would be interested in reading some of your work. I am very serious about that. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>
I acknowledge that you are genuine. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70459-hugs.gif[/img] I am still observing and learning my dear. Last thing fe anybody fe do, a bad PR pan we black self. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/notworthy.gif[/img]

[Blackstar*]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I also think that there is a certain "defensiveness" in our community when light is shone on our dirt. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The black men who choose to lead irresponsible lives are the ones that need to step up to the plate and start doing right. Why should anybody have to carry their burden? </div></div>

So is it "our" dirt or isn't it? I'm confused now. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70456-eyebrows.gif[/img]

[Diplomat]

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Why Our Black Families Are Failing

From the Washington Post

By William Raspberry

Monday, July 25, 2005;

"There is a crisis of unprecedented magnitude in the black community, one that goes to the very heart of its survival. The black family is failing."

Quibble if you will about the "unprecedented magnitude" -- slavery wasn't exactly a high point of African American well-being. But there's no quarreling with the essence of the alarm sounded here last week by a gathering of Pentecostal clergy and the Seymour Institute for Advanced Christian Studies. What is happening to the black family in America is the sociological equivalent of global warming: easier to document than to reverse, inconsistent in its near-term effect -- and disastrous in the long run.

Father absence is the bane of the black community, predisposing its children (boys especially, but increasingly girls as well) to school failure, criminal behavior and economic hardship, and to an intergenerational repetition of the grim cycle. The culprit, the ministers (led by the Rev. Eugene Rivers III of Boston, president of the Seymour Institute) agreed, is the decline of marriage.

Kenneth B. Johnson, a Seymour senior fellow who has worked in youth programs, says he often sees teenagers "who've never seen a wedding."

The concern is not new. As Rivers noted at last week's National Press Club news conference, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the alarm 40 years ago, only to be "condemned and pilloried as misinformed, malevolent and even racist."

Entire Article Here

Seems not much has changed in 40 years, huh? How does one talk about social issues in the community without being labelled as one thing or another?

[DearK]

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CEW are you suggesting that there are many who would dispute the fact that there are many single mothers, fatherless black children, or limited marriages in the black community?

[DearK]

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I got the foll form WIkipedia, in attempts to put the statement you bolded in context:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Moynihan was an Assistant Secretary of Labor for policy in the Kennedy administration and in the early part of the Johnson administration. In that capacity, he did not have operational responsibilities, allowing him to devote all of his time to trying to formulate national policy for what would become the War on Poverty. He had a small staff including Paul Barton, Ellen Broderick, and Ralph Nader (who at 29 years of age, hitchhiked to Washington, D.C. and got a job working for Moynihan in 1963).

They took inspiration from the book Slavery written by Stanley Elkins. Elkins essentially contended that slavery had made American blacks dependent on the dominant society, and that that dependence still existed a century later, supporting a view that the government must go beyond simply ensuring that members of minority races have the same rights as everyone else, and offering minority members benefits that others did not get on the grounds that those benefits were necessary to counteract that lingering effects of past actions.

Moynihan found data at the Labor Department that showed that even as fewer people were unemployed, more people were joining the welfare rolls — these recipients were families with children, but only one parent (almost invariably the mother). The laws at that time permitted such families to receive welfare payments in certain parts of the United States.

Moynihan's report was seen by people on the left as "Blaming the Victim", a slogan coined by William Ryan. He was also seen as propagating the views of racists, because much of the press coverage of his reports focused on the discussion of children being born out of wedlock. Despite Moynihan's warnings, the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program had the "Man out of the house rule." Critics said that the nation was paying poor women to throw their husbands out of the house. Moynihan supported Richard Nixon's idea of a Guaranteed Annual Income (GAI). Daniel Patrick Moynihan had significant discussions concerning a Basic Income Guarantee with Russell B. Long and Louis O. Kelso.

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Moynihan misinformed, racist?

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
BTW, even though we could say the reasons are, for the most part, stereotypical, could we be throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Is there an element of discomforting truth to some of those stereotypes? </div></div>
yes. and with other touchy issues, such as black on black voilence, we must not confront it, rather let's deny it exists and focus on other issues [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif[/img] </div></div>


blacks can't be compared to others because others haven't gone thru the physical & psychological warfare that blacks have been subjected to thru the holocaust of slavery & colonialism...it will take a long time to reverse the destructive results of the way our thinking has been warped by propoganda spread by the whites who started this atrocity...
blacks are presently insane due to hundreds of years of indoctrination & psychological torture...it will take time to reverse it...
that said, there are plenty of black couples who are copoperating to raise their children...whether married or not..

& b.t.w. the testosterone thing is preposterous

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CEW are you suggesting that there are many who would dispute the fact that there are many single mothers, fatherless black children, or limited marriages in the black community? </div></div>


yes there are many single parents & 'limited marriages' in the black community...but it is less a racial thing than a class struggle...
people on the lower weconomic scale have different issues than the people making enough money to live how they want...
these peoples 'marriages' a lot of times aren't anything to write home about either...

my feeling is that they are trying to say that blacks are racially inclined to leave their children or not be in marriages...but that is a cop-out of what got us here in the first place & what sustains this type of culture...

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all dat testeronie + women who like fe geet whey..
sounds like a combustible formula to me [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/704555_dwl.gif[/img]
mebbe de race will implode [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img] </div></div>


a who write this article?

ridiculous....
bout testosterone...& slutty women
(long kisteet)

[Diplomat]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dear K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CEW are you suggesting that there are many who would dispute the fact that there are many single mothers, fatherless black children, or limited marriages in the black community? </div></div>

Not really; I'm just curious as to why is that when there's a discussion on the issues impacting our community, including the ones you mentioned, some see it as promoting the stereotype, black-man bashing, etc...

BTW, Black Families at the Crossroads: Challenges and Prospects (by Johnson and Staple, if I recall correctly) is an excellent book, IMO, for anyone interested in this somewhat controversial subject.

[MarieK]

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address the reasons such as socio-economics and political influence then we will respond accordingly. I'd really hate for my future son or daughter growing up reading that genetically, she's expected to give it away because that's what women in her race does or my nephews thinking it's ok to father children out of wedlock and leave a string of baby mama's along the way.

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CEW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mrs. MarieK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agree, you never hear about the good things a black man does and frankly you never will.</div></div>
And whose fault is that?
It is said that one in four black men are in prison, and we hear about those ones just about every day via the mass media. How often do you hear about the three of four who are not imprisoned and making useful contributions to society? It's a societal thing; good news doesn't sell newspapers and ads, and frankly some people love the drama of dsyfunction.

Maybe those involved with black men, one way or another, who are doing "good things" should start threads about those men? [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] In the meantime, let's not pretend we don't have our dirt. That the majority of black men may be constructively engaged does not mean that we as a community do not have some serious social issues that need addressing. </div></div>
Funny I see it as the black men in prison's fault,but I see a much greater aspect of that fault with the educated black men, who refuse to aquire even the tools to understand why these black men are in prison.

What percentage of financially secure black men are unmarried?

What percentage of them does not suppoer their children?

How does that compare whit financially secure white men?

I believe every person have a right to an opion,but I would not ask a carpener to do my plumbing.

Unless you recognize that there is an appropriate tool to measurethe reality of of the situation and make the effort aquire it.
So that you can really understand the problem,you are not contributing to the solution. and all of us are contributors.
If we are not a part of the solution we are a part of the problem.

Why didn't they make sociology mandatory in all high school!!

Whatever we do we certainly will need it to understand society.
The reason why the educated need to study the cause,is because we are all paying to keep them there withe our taxes..

By paying for their behavior while they are outside and unemployed,either with the lack of security or as victims of crimes perpetuated by them.
Or we pay psychologically by being identified as them and seen by society as similar to them.

Yes it is our fault more than it is their's. That is wht it cost use more than it cost them.
And we have the opportunity to do something about it.
Why have we done nothing,but sit and curse the darkness instead of light a candle?

[Phatty]

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This article is totally stereotypical. I don't see the author writing any facts or statistics to back up his/her "findings." This article is just the same as if we were to say, Jews have money or Indians are cheap.
The bad thing about it is a lot of Americans think this way. Not thinking about the situations that put these races in this catergory. Hence, the lack of adequate education in urban areas. Minorities in general have been held down for so many years, most of us are just getting a chance to show our abilities.
I watched an episode of Oprah the other day. Bill Gates and his wife were guests. They did a social experiment where they took children from urban neighborhoods and switched them for the week with children from the surburban neighborhoods. Same age group, and grades both groups were Honor Roll students. The schools were 11 miles apart. The surburban students could not function because the urban H.S. were teaching out of notebooks that were copyrighted in the 80's and the urban kids who now had a chance to work out of updated text books didn't understand the math or science they were learning. It was way ahead of their time, education wise.
So statiscally our black men are leaving most black women alone to fend for ourselves when it comes to a child because the funds are not there. Lack of education in our urban areas which is mostly black is the issue. Remember a lot of people don't have the upbringing like most of us do. Our parents have pushed us education wise and that's why most of us are successful with what we do. Our environment didn't affect us. Some of us have mothers and some have "Muma's."
Most black women find an education and push to get that career, because we HAVE to. Any race would if they have children to look after. Lately it seems that men IN GENERAL feel they have a choice to stay or go.

[Night Nurse]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phatty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This article is totally stereotypical. I don't see the author writing any facts or statistics to back up his/her "findings." This article is just the same as if we were to say, Jews have money or Indians are cheap.
The bad thing about it is a lot of Americans think this way. Not thinking about the situations that put these races in this catergory. </div></div>

Wuss dan dat, it fayva sey nuff a di black peeple dem whe live inna Nawt Amerikkka think worse tuh raxtone. Dem brain is successfully washed hout an now dem a tunn pan dem wanna nedda.

Garvey mussi a read dis yah board an jussa kinn ovah inna him grave. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]

Di tings whe some a dem have fi sey bout dem owwn a peeple widdout enny thought or reservation is shakking, tuh sey di leass.

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70402-thinking.gif[/img] A wanda hiff dem a teach fi dem kids di sayme ting dem mzungu frens a teach fi dem bout black peeps?

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