Why don't people of African descent speak out...

[rudemonk]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

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…some of you wanted to march for the mexicans but when last have you marched for africa?...still too much mistrust & division between africans at home and abroad…there's a long way to go and a lot of people trying to stunt the development with propoganda (read story on bob marley in the current issue of 'vibe' magazine)…but where there's a will there's a way…

'africa unite
cause we're moving right out of babylon'

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i think that poeple often confuse 'africa' with the concept of it being a nation. a comparison to mexico is slightly off if you think about it that way.

none of the people I know -and while that can hardly be construed as a representative sample for the sake of discussion maybe it fits- who are from the continent of Africa express a unified concept of Africa as a cultural or national deposit of something they all shared, which is probably why such conflagrations have such a fertile bed there.

[bigbooie]

Re: Here some reasons.

These are tough economic times, especially for African-Americans, for
whom the unemployment rate is more than 10%. Alarmingly, rather than
belt-tightening, the response has been to spend more. In many poor
neighborhoods, one is likely to notice satellite dishes and expensive
new cars.

According to Target Market, a company that tracks black consumer
spending, blacks spends a significant amount of their income on
depreciable products. In 2002, the year the economy nose-dived; we
spent $22.9 billion ($22,900,000,000.00) on clothes, $3.2 billion
($3,200,000,000.00) on electronics and $11.6 billion ($11,600,000,000.00)

on furniture to put into homes that, in many cases, were rented.


Among our favorite purchases are cars and liquor. Blacks make up only
12% of the U.S. population, yet account for 30% of the country's
Scotch consumption. Detroit, which is 80% black, is the world's No. 1
market for Cognac (Pass The Co-------).

So impressed was Lincoln with the $46.7 billion ($46,700,000,000)
that blacks spent on cars that the automaker commissioned Sean "P.
Diddy" Combs, the entertainment and fashion mogul, to design a
limited-edition Navigator replete with six plasma screens, three DVD
players and a Sony PlayStation 2.

The only area where blacks seem to be cutting back on spending is
books; total purchases have gone from a high of $356 million in 2000
to $303 million in 2002. This shortsighted behavior, motivated by a
desire for instant gratification and social acceptance, comes at the
expense of our future.

The National Urban League's "State of Black America 2004" report
found that fewer than 50% of black families owned their homes
compared with more than 70% of whites.

According to published reports, the Ariel Mutual Funds/Charles Schwab
2003 Black Investor Survey found that when comparing households where
blacks and whites had roughly the same household incomes, whites
saved nearly 20% more each month for retirement, and 30% of African-
Americans earning $100,000 a year had less than $5,000 in retirement
savings.

While 79% of whites invest in the stock market, only 61% of African-
Americans do. Certainly, higher rates of unemployment, income
disparity and credit discrimination are financial impediments to the
economic vitality of blacks, but so are our consumer tastes.

By finding the courage to change our spending habits, we might be
surprised at how far the $631 billion ($631,000,000,000.00) we now
earn might take us.

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[cris]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

this conversation is all well an good but I really want to know what you expect to happen? there is no leverage to be had with a rogue government. so far it has been impossible to persudae the people in power in sudan to take credit for directing the militias or make any effort in curbing the genocide.

if you can't persuade them or have leverage against them then you could tek them out by force and then what? police the place till a proper government can be set up? that'll take what 40 years? and whose gonna do it? africans? americans? the UN? africans don't have the resources, americans are not interested, and the UN has proven themselves useless in rwanda and just about everywhere else.

so what do expect can happen?

an before yu bun fiyah long time I've been writting letters thru OXFAM ... 2 years now.

[Zeko]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

WHY WON'T PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT SPEAK OUT...????? Because African people are not listening... Africans are so complacent to what is happening on their continent - they look at me as if I am stupid, when I speak about the things happening in their countries...

I have worked with the with USAID Women In Development project which included Human Trafficking and Refugee Assistance - So I have seen first hand what is happening in some of these countries...

I do not want to sound uncaring and unfeeling because I am not... - but my take on the matter is - IF AH FI DEM COUNTRY AND FI DEM PEOPLE AND DEM NOH CARE - WEH MI AH KILL UP MISELF FAH...???

[cris]

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zeko speaking out on it's own does not solve problems. if africans could solve problems by voicing objections then whole millions of people would no be dying...from aids, malaria, TB, starvation, war, ethnic cleansing etc

what you expect them to do?

[ZaraJah]

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WHY WON'T PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT SPEAK OUT...????? Because African people are not listening... Africans are so complacent to what is happening on their continent - they look at me as if I am stupid, when I speak about the things happening in their countries...

I have worked with the with USAID Women In Development project which included Human Trafficking and Refugee Assistance - So I have seen first hand what is happening in some of these countries...

I do not want to sound uncaring and unfeeling because I am not... - but my take on the matter is - IF AH FI DEM COUNTRY AND FI DEM PEOPLE AND DEM NOH CARE - WEH MI AH KILL UP MISELF FAH...???

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Charity begins at home and as many Africans have said when I have been involved in conversations around "saving the continent", "Mind your Own Business". [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[dahjah]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

I guess cah dem cyaan si any African in yuh [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[una nina]

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this conversation is all well an good but I really want to know what you expect to happen? there is no leverage to be had with a rogue government. so far it has been impossible to persudae the people in power in sudan to take credit for directing the militias or make any effort in curbing the genocide.

if you can't persuade them or have leverage against them then you could tek them out by force and then what? police the place till a proper government can be set up? that'll take what 40 years? and whose gonna do it? africans? americans? the UN? africans don't have the resources, americans are not interested, and the UN has proven themselves useless in rwanda and just about everywhere else.

so what do expect can happen?

an before yu bun fiyah long time I've been writting letters thru OXFAM ... 2 years now.

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Wow, Cris...such negativity! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Isn't there a scripture in the bible that says to help your fellow man no matter what? If not, there SHOULD be! And right now, PRAYER ain't doing chit to help the situation.

In answer to your question, what I FULLY EXPECT to happen (this is what is called "claiming it") is that countries like the US and other economic powerhouses put some ECONOMIC leverage on them...sanctions on this rogue gov't to make them change or get out. Give them some viable options if they choose to stay. Find out why there is this mentality of ethnic cleansing...why they feel they need to do it...and this will take a long time. They're going to need a LOT of counseling and emotional help too! Of course, you would have to have a campaign in which there is a "grassroots" movement to EDUCATE the people and get them ready for a new government. Certainly other African countries (Mali, Tanzania, Kenya, Zimbabwe) could help craft a plan of action. Cris, there are PLENTY of Africans with the resources (both economic and intellectual).

I don't think 40 years is too long a time in the grand scheme of LIFE to take to ensure a nation is free and peaceful!

...are you of African descent? If you are not, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND your post! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] If you are...I am VERRRRY disappointed.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

It has to start somewhere...and it is unacceptable to have a minority population coming from a totally different CONTINENT to rid this nation of her native people! This is absolute insanity...it's going to take time, money and energy...so what? Like I said before, they are Nsoroma (Children of God) just like YOU and ME!

[cris]

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Charity begins at home and as many Africans have said when I have been involved in conversations around "saving the continent", "Mind your Own Business". [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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and that line of thinking applies to genocide? cho
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[dahjah]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

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WHY WON'T PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT SPEAK OUT...????? Because African people are not listening... Africans are so complacent to what is happening on their continent - they look at me as if I am stupid, when I speak about the things happening in their countries...

I have worked with the with USAID Women In Development project which included Human Trafficking and Refugee Assistance - So I have seen first hand what is happening in some of these countries...

I do not want to sound uncaring and unfeeling because I am not... - but my take on the matter is - IF AH FI DEM COUNTRY AND FI DEM PEOPLE AND DEM NOH CARE - WEH MI AH KILL UP MISELF FAH...???

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When we as blk ppl wid African blood a run troo wi veins stawt fe care bout each odda and de sun/blood/earth weh mix to mek ar genetic make up then thing will change.

If we sitdung an seh nuttin cah wi believe seh wi an dem is not one den why de hell should anyone care? We are ok over here and babylon tell wi seh wi a nuh african an teach wi fe hate anything fe duh wid Africa (Alkebulan) so...

MEanwhile yuh wi si arabs/chinese and TODAY look pan de hispanics, are we de only one who worship yt ppl so much dat out disunity is so great. It show how much we really hate wiself [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[dahjah]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

cris yuh eva tink seh de merican gov behine all a de sudan business cah dem want de ile ova deh? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[una nina]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

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WHY WON'T PEOPLE OF AFRICAN DESCENT SPEAK OUT...????? Because African people are not listening... Africans are so complacent to what is happening on their continent - they look at me as if I am stupid, when I speak about the things happening in their countries...

I have worked with the with USAID Women In Development project which included Human Trafficking and Refugee Assistance - So I have seen first hand what is happening in some of these countries...

I do not want to sound uncaring and unfeeling because I am not... - but my take on the matter is - IF AH FI DEM COUNTRY AND FI DEM PEOPLE AND DEM NOH CARE - WEH MI AH KILL UP MISELF FAH...???

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...why? Because it's the RIGHT thing to do and because they are suffering from centuries of colonization just like we in the western hemisphere are...

You must EDUCATE your brothers and sisters...mek dem know! The same is to be said of our youth in America (and Jamaica)...we need to teach them that they are worth much more than material things (20" rims and ba-don-ka-donks)!

C'mon people! We are STONGER than THIS!!! Go to the home page of Jamaicans.com and read about Queen Nanny of the Maroons!!! What if she just threw up her hands? African people have had to endure SO MUCH over so many centuries...I hope we have not become so brainwashed that we would give up so easily...

Remember your bredren who suffered on those slave ships during the middle passage and LIVED TO TELL THE STORY! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/notworthy.gif[/img] You OWE IT TO THEM to try to make things right!

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[Zeko]

Re: Why don't people of African descent speak out...

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zeko speaking out on it's own does not solve problems. if africans could solve problems by voicing objections then whole millions of people would no be dying...from aids, malaria, TB, starvation, war, ethnic cleansing etc

what you expect them to do?

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Considering the fact that it is Africans that are responsible for the a lot of what is going on in Africa - who should we advocate for. As for "aids, malaria, TB, starvation, war, ethnic cleansing etc"

Aids - majority of African countries will not accept any treatment - except infantile rape.
Malaria - Let me know who have a world wide eradication programme for Mosquitoes. - The medications available are overlooked and the local witchdoctor is the dr. of choice.
TB - same as above.
Starvation - have you ever met an African Farmer (Black)?
War - Africans killing Africans - Who do you advocate for?
Ethnic Cleansing - See above...

Sorry, but being told to "mind my own business" so many time is all I can take.

I guess I have to take the beam out of my own eye (Jamaica and her problems) before I try to take the beam out of Africa's eys.

[una nina]

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I guess cah dem cyaan si any African in yuh [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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[una nina]

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Charity begins at home and as many Africans have said when I have been involved in conversations around "saving the continent", "Mind your Own Business". [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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and that line of thinking applies to genocide? cho
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