selassie natt blakk enuff

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all the ethiopeans and eritreans I've met have expressed similar sentiments [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img] </div></div>

soo oww cum yu neva tell dat too jahyout. mii tink rasta blinded bye symbolikk selassie divinitee dat dem ignor da realitee aff selassie.

still selassie putt upp a resistance against islam, arab ting

[Morpheous]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Question, does Selassie base his God status on the Egyptian method whereby an Egyptian king could promote himself to a God removing himself above and beyond politics? Was it the same here with Selassie or was it given to him by Rastafarians?

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good qwestian. dat iss natt y dem keep chattinn bout inn link too sheba ann solomon line. dat afrikkan idea dat fram da royaltee lineage cum god. natt much diffance dan moses ann jesus </div></div>
Well a honest question caw mi nuh want hennibaddy feel sey mi diss dem God. Mi nuh have no opinion pon Selassie either way. Mi will admit me never read up much pon Selassie still. Just a go by what him own people and neighboring countrymen have told me.

[tsophra]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all the ethiopeans and eritreans I've met have expressed similar sentiments [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img] </div></div>

soo oww cum yu neva tell dat too jahyout. mii tink rasta blinded bye symbolikk selassie divinitee dat dem ignor da realitee aff selassie.

still selassie putt upp a resistance against islam, arab ting </div></div>

because me already sait to im..waaay back [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lot of people have a lot of ill feeling toward the emperor & don't know why...funny thing is most of them don't know any ethiopians...</div></div>
I have never met the Emperor but I met two his great great grand sons right here in the UK. One I used to work with, he was my manager, the other I later met when I was at university doing my computing degree.

I have also worked/hung out with Ethiopians and Eritreans and I can tell you both camps hate Selassie. They reckon he treated his people really badly.

Now I have no ill feeling against Selassie because I never met him and growing up in Jamaica I heard a different story about him as a child. Somalians and Sudanese also have their story to tell re: refugees flooding into their country.

I didn't ask either sons about their great great grand father regarding why some hate him so much, however I did ask about the "god" issue as portrayed by Rastafarians and they admit they are miffed as to why Rastafarians see him as a god much less to worship, If memory serves me right, when Selassie visited Jamaica he was also shocked about the status he held among Rastafarians, however he showed appreciation and allocated the Rastafarians land back in his country. Some locals were not pleased with this as they saw it as strangers getting preferential treatment above them in their own country.

Ethiopians, Eritreans and Somalians have asked me why Jamaicans revere the Emperor and my honest answer was only some Jamaicans revere him as a God like figure and that is more so among Rastafarians as part of their religious beliefs.

They keep repeating to me... but this man have arms and legs like you and he may be an Emperor but not a God!

Question, does Selassie base his God status on the Egyptian method whereby an Egyptian king could promote himself to a God removing himself above and beyond politics? Was it the same here with Selassie or was it given to him by Rastafarians?

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you oversimplify on many different levels....
some eritreans would not like selassie because they are a newley independent nation from ethiopia (former province) & many of them hate ethiopians full stop (even though they are brothers)...
you also have to remember that ethiopia is VERY ethnically diverse...so an oromo ethiopian may possibly speak ill of selassie while an amhara may say he was the greatest leader ethiopia ever had...just as a laborite may hate michael manley & pnp may speak glowingly of him...you have to check the source;
now you say if 'memory serves you right' meaning you were there when selassie visited jamaica?
if so then you must know that selassie gave rastas in jamaica a legitimacy they never realized before that point...(i know i have the video)...
but most people's opinions on selassie are based on what they thought they heard or what they thought someone said...
i myself know a lot of ethiopians who revere the emperor...
as far as the land grant given by the emperor to rastas in shashemene, when the communist dergue took over after his removal from power, they siezed most of the land from the rasta...it was only after the commmunist dergue was overthrown & mengistu fled to zimbabwe (after one of the bloodiest rules in africa) that the rasta was given back some of their land...
now this 'god' thing is misundestood by many...you say he has arms and legs like you and me...didn't jesus christ have arms & legs? don't many people now worship him as god?
muslims & jews still think people who worship jesus are mistaken fools, so it's all a matter of philosophy...
selassie didn't give himself any god-like status...it is what it is...revelations was written & the black messiah has the title king of kings lord of lords conquering lion of the tribe of judah...
that's why rasta deal with reasoning because it would take a 10,000 page essay to express some of the mysteries...
one day mi wi reason wid de i

[jah_yout]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all the ethiopeans and eritreans I've met have expressed similar sentiments [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/bubble.gif[/img] </div></div>

soo oww cum yu neva tell dat too jahyout. mii tink rasta blinded bye symbolikk selassie divinitee dat dem ignor da realitee aff selassie.

still selassie putt upp a resistance against islam, arab ting </div></div>

it's an endless skipped record...

i'm pretty sure i have discussed this issue with more ethiopians than anyone on this board has...so saying 'ethiopians hate selassie' is a broad brush & completely inaccurate...
if not for selassie all of east africa would be muslim & there would be no rasta movement today...
muslims will naturally hate selassie...
most jamaicans hate selassie without knowing anything about him...most will quickly say 'well i know a one or two ethiopian & they hate selassie'...
this is so funny to me because i know a bunch of ethiopians who say he was great & it's only with the passing of time that they can fairly judge the man...
the dergue & mengistu had no interest in portraying the emperor as a good person...that's not what communist military dictatorships that overthrow a gov't do...they use propoganda to vilify their enemies & justify their killing...they spread propoganda that the emperor wa the devil himself & many bought it until they realized the killing fields mengistu set up for them...
a nuff book mi read bout ethiopia & selassie (at least 20) and a nuff ethiopian elders & youngsters mi talk to...i took a long hard road (against un-informed negative public opinion)to study the emperor and the movement caw a juss suh mi stay...if people keep telling me 'this guy is bad', i need to see for myself...as a jamaican i also grew up hearing form the general population 'selassie was bad'...if not for the vision of my uncle i would have just repeated that mantra & never looked into it for myself...
after having done so, my faith increased & now mi a rasta for life...


mi naw follow di crowd and dis the lion of judah...

selassie i liveth everytime....


i can reccommend some books when yu ready...

the best one in my experience is

'the mission- the life, reign & character of haile selassie 1'
by hans wilheim lockot


nuff a dem a seh 'selassie not black enough' but he was black enough to give military training & blessing to a young man who came to ethiopia for the strength...
that young man is nelsonm mandela;

but chroo dem nuh know dem ting deh the style is to dis the emperor....

rasta naw join babylon gain...
big up the last emperor everytime

[Nylah]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> now this 'god' thing is misundestood by many...you say he has arms and legs like you and me...didn't jesus christ have arms & legs? don't many people now worship him as god?
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jah yout can I ask a question on that?

Let me see how to word this question properly

What is it that Selassie brought to mankind?

Like for instance the point of Jesus was that he brought the "word" to not only to jews but to gentiles. And Jesus' death was to provide salvation for his believers.

How does Selassie being crowned and thus believed as the black messiah equate to a sense of delieverance for those who believe in him?

I dont know if my question makes sense to u cause I cant get the words right at the moment! So try and figure out what I am asking please [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Empress_Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> now this 'god' thing is misundestood by many...you say he has arms and legs like you and me...didn't jesus christ have arms & legs? don't many people now worship him as god?
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jah yout can I ask a question on that?

Let me see how to word this question properly

What is it that Selassie brought to mankind?

Like for instance the point of Jesus was that he brought the "word" to not only to jews but to gentiles. And Jesus' death was to provide salvation for his believers.

How does Selassie being crowned and thus believed as the black messiah equate to a sense of delieverance for those who believe in him?

I dont know if my question makes sense to u cause I cant get the words right at the moment! So try and figure out what I am asking please [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]
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overstand this...
jesus brought the word to everyone...and still you have those (muslims & jews one example) who do NOT see jesus as anything more than a man or a prophet...certainly not GOD...
my opinion; jesus is a god...not the creator of the universe, since the earth was here before a jesus appeared and he communicated with the creator of the universe, but he is a god because of his spiritual powers...
christians believe jesus' crucifiction saves his followers...obviously this is a theological philosophy which is deep & those who have the faith accept it...a muslim or bhuddist or hindu or jew does not, but the christian does...

well selassie i is i and i savior because hi is the man who connected me to the almighty creator who sent his message through him to reveal it to i and i mind which before that was deaf dumb & blind...
i was once lost but now i'm found...
so i respect all believers of all faiths but my faith remains rastafari and no guy cyaan change that...
evryone is entitled to their beliefs & i'm entitled to mine, so i choose to defend the king when most choose to defame the king...only time will tell;
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"Ethiopia has always held a special place in my own imagination and the prospect of visiting Ethiopia attracted me more strongly than a trip to France, England and America combined. I felt I would be visiting my own genesis, unearthing the roosts of what made me an African. Meeting the emperor himself would be like shaking hands with history."

Nelson Mandela in his book - Long Walk To Freedom , describing how he felt as he was getting ready to embark on his first visit to Ethiopia in the early 1920s
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the emperor gave mandela the power so he could fight & defeat the devils who were the last obstacle to african unity...
so our goal is still alive...
rasta stand up for african liberation, but for liberation of the mind, love unity & strength...for all mankind...this is the message of rastafari & is the message of haile selassie i

[Nylah]

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thanks. I was asking out of curiousty because I read so many different things from different sources and it starts to get confusing to me.

I have other questions but I'll let it rest for a minute.
Your tone was a bit tight so I hope I didnt offend by asking. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

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"Ethiopia has always held a special place in my own imagination and the prospect of visiting Ethiopia attracted me more strongly than a trip to France, England and America combined. I felt I would be visiting my own genesis, unearthing the roosts of what made me an African. Meeting the emperor himself would be like shaking hands with history."

Nelson Mandela in his book - Long Walk To Freedom , describing how he felt as he was getting ready to embark on his first visit to Ethiopia in the early 1920s


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"It has always been the wish of Bob Marley to return to Ethiopia and become a Rastafarian... and with the African Union, Addis Ababa is the capital of Africa and therefore a very symbolic place."

Bob Marley's widow, Rita Marley, on 7 February 2005 as she and many thousands prepare to celebrate what would have been Bob Marley's 60th birthday in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa


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"The origin of Ethiopia is largely the origin of us all. "

Javier Gozalbez in his book - Touching Ethiopia

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the famous speech by the emperor, put to music by the great lion bob marley;

On the question of racial discrimination, the Addis Ababa Conference taught, to those who will learn, this further lesson: That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Empress_Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

thanks. I was asking out of curiousty because I read so many different things from different sources and it starts to get confusing to me.

I have other questions but I'll let it rest for a minute.
Your tone was a bit tight so I hope I didnt offend by asking. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
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no offense taken sistrin...
nothing 'tight', just words & power... ...
i attempted to explain in short a faith which has thousands of years of african philosophy that went into its manifestation in a few paragraphs so it will be lacking...
for i man it's always a pleasure to reason & share things about the movement which may be misunderstood, seen...
give thanx & praise;

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I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there. But of Zion it shall be said, "This one and that one were born in her"; And the Most High Himself will establish her.
psalms 87:4-5


Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God.
psalms 68:31


And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
revelation 5:5

And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
revelation 19:16


His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
revelation 19:12


He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'
revelations 2:17


These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."
revelations 17:14

[tsophra]

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yu knoe..jy..me really nu have hate selassie.. like any great historical figure his legacy is subject to debate and question..dats all...

[Wahalla]

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In my last assignment in Africa.. one of my colleagues was a Grand Nephew of the General that took back Addis, and another was the son of a pilot who use to fly god...

I got great delight from teasing them on the fact that they connection with god.....

[Nylah]

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thanks jah yout.

I have no judgement, just a desire to understand. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

and I am a person who loves to ask questions much to the annoyance of others. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yu knoe..jy..me really nu have hate selassie.. like any great historical figure his legacy is subject to debate and question..dats all... </div></div>

yes mi sistrin...mi done know dat;
not directed at you...

the guy weh post after you is one of those...
you can find a lot of mocking & scorning...but they did that to christ too...oh yu a king een? put crown of thorns on his head & brutalize him...bout yu a messiah, which pawt a you is a messiah?
and so they mocked...little did they know his name would be called by millions 2000 years later...

so we have to take the good with the bad...yu done know; out of 10 views on here 6 will be indifferent, 3 will be mockers or scorners, & 1 will defend the black messiah...
a mi duty [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

a juss eart [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

[jah_yout]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Empress_Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thanks jah yout.

I have no judgement, just a desire to understand. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

and I am a person who loves to ask questions much to the annoyance of others. [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>


sharing knowledge is never an annoyance...

bless-ed love, seen