selassie natt blakk enuff

[Morpheous]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

you oversimplify on many different levels....
some eritreans would not like selassie because they are a newley independent nation from ethiopia (former province) & many of them hate ethiopians full stop (even though they are brothers)...

you also have to remember that ethiopia is VERY ethnically diverse...so an oromo ethiopian may possibly speak ill of selassie while an amhara may say he was the greatest leader ethiopia ever had...you have to check the source;
<span style="color: #000099">I am well aware of that still...</span>

now you say if 'memory serves you right' meaning you were there when selassie visited jamaica?
if so then you must know that selassie gave rastas in jamaica a legitimacy they never realized before that point...(i know i have the video)...
but most people's opinions on selassie are based on what they thought they heard or what they thought someone said...
<span style="color: #000099">No... I wasn't born yet LOL, as you mentioned, mi hear it from family and friends.</span>

i myself know a lot of ethiopians who revere the emperor...
as far as the land grant given by the emperor to rastas in shashemene, when the communist dergue took over after his removal from power, they siezed most of the land from the rasta...it was only after the commmunist dergue was overthrown & mengistu fled to zimbabwe (after one of the bloodiest rules in africa) that the rasta was given back some of their land...
<span style="color: #000099">I know some Ethiopians revere the Emperor but some Ethiopians also hate him... a just suh di ting set. Some Ethiopians have expressed to me that some did not take too kindly to the land distribution ting. They had no problem with Rasta but they claim many were in poverty and saw that as a slap in the face. A just what mi a hear from people who lived there - for and against the Emperor.</span>

now this 'god' thing is misundestood by many...you say he has arms and legs like you and me...didn't jesus christ have arms & legs? don't many people now worship him as god?
muslims & jews still think people who worship jesus are mistaken fools, so it's all a matter of philosophy...
<span style="color: #000099">Not me pushing di arms and legs hawgument... Ethiopians and Eritreans tell mi suh; his great great grand sons agree! However, I can see your point re comparison to Jesus being in the form of man etc.</span>

selassie didn't give himself any god-like status...it is what it is...revelations was written & the black messiah has the title king of kings lord of lords conquering lion of the tribe of judah...
that's why rasta deal with reasoning because it would take a 10,000 page essay to express some of the mysteries...
one day mi wi reason wid de i
<span style="color: #000099">Zeen... This is where I can learn more about the Emperor no doubt... Mi always open to new knowledge.</span> [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img]

[blugiant]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yu knoe..jy..me really nu have hate selassie.. like any great historical figure his legacy is subject to debate and question..dats all... </div></div>

yes mi sistrin...mi done know dat;
not directed at you...

the guy weh post after you is one of those...
you can find a lot of mocking & scorning...but they did that to christ too...oh yu a king een? put crown of thorns on his head & brutalize him...bout yu a messiah, which pawt a you is a messiah?
and so they mocked...little did they know his name would be called by millions 2000 years later...

so we have to take the good with the bad...yu done know; out of 10 views on here 6 will be indifferent, 3 will be mockers or scorners, & 1 will defend the black messiah...
a mi duty [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

a juss eart [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/70409-waytogo.gif[/img] </div></div>

diss mekk mii laff

lang thyme rasta chat bout bunninn jah ann bunninn christ. yu see itt wass wen a likkle yuth use fii ear rasta reasoninn ann bunninn christ dat y mii knoo christ iss natt jesus surname. dat y mii knoo dat dere iss issues widd jesus name ann dat christ wass rund beefour da man peeps cawl jesus

god iss da blakk messiah ann selassie iss a symbol aff dat butt dat doan meen peeps, manee rasta included, beeleeve inn selassie divinity.

y yu tink marley, da masta rasta, canverted too da afrikkan orthodox christianitee

[blugiant]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

mii ave prablem widd da artikkle cah itt gawn like rasta natt christian too

Quote:

"Rastafari And The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is one of the oldest organized churches (If not the oldest) in the world and dates back to biblical times (Read Acts 8:27-39 to learn more). Even though the church has made many statements on "heresy of Emperor worship" and "herbal sorcery" in regards to the Rastafarian, they also have been brought to the forefront by the Rastafari and have used it to branch outside of Ethiopia. The church in Jamaica was commissioned by Emperor Haile Selassie.

There are major differences between the sect and the church. The first being the worship of Emperor Haile Selassie as the Messiah/Savior. The church has stated many times that their commission from Emperor Haile Selassie was to lead Rastafarians away from worshiping him and turn to the worshipping of the God he worshipped. It is said that upon his return to Ethiopia from Jamaica, the Emperor spoke to Abuna Yesehaq, the Archbishop of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and declared "There is a problem in Jamaica.... Please, help these people. They are misunderstanding, they do not understand our culture.... They need a church to be established and you are chosen to go."

Initially many in the Rastafarian community welcomed the church however when it became clear that to be baptized in the church, a Rastafarian had to renounce the divinity of Haile Selassie, the problems started. The church today has continued to maintain the stance that it would only baptize in the name of Jesus Christ and not Haile Selassie.

The other big dispute is the Rastafarians way of taking a tradition, in this case the Ethiopian Solomonic Kings and the National Epic, the " Kebra Negast " and applying it to the Rastafarian cause. The "Kebra Negast" which literally translates to "Glory of the Kings" in Amharic, the Ethiopian national language, is the National Epic of the Ethiopia State. It is viewed by the church as historic record rather than Prohectic record which is the view held by Rastafarians.

Bob Marley's Baptism in Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The incident that probaly caused the major divide between many in the Rastafarian community and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church was the baptism of Bob Marley into the church before he died. He was baptized by the Head of the church Archbishop Abuna Yesehaq. What was most upsetting to the Rastafarian community was when this became public knowlegde and the statements (see media interviews) made by the church in regards to an "Orthodox conversion" by Bob Marley. His close friend, Tommy Cowan, has also has stated that Bob Marley converted to Christianity before he died.

No one really knows what this baptism meant but is has caused some controversy as both Rastafarian and Christians claim Bob Marley as their "own".

The Jamaican Church
Many of the early founders of Rastafari were from elders & preachers in the church, however there is distrust between Rastafarians and the church. The main opposition, which many would deem credible, is that the church today has strayed away from the teaching of Christ, which is to care for and be the voice of the downtrodden and oppressed. Rastafarians, through their music and life style, try to speak for and to the downtrodden, poor and oppressed.

Adding to the tension in the earlier 2000’s are songs by Capelton & Sizzla condemning what many perceive as the Jamaican church to burn with ‘fire’. There are some signs of reconciliation, as the upswing in spiritual reggae music has become a small bridge to this process."

[jah_yout]

Re: selassie natt blakk enuff

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blugiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">mii ave prablem widd da artikkle cah itt gawn like rasta natt christian too

Quote:

"Rastafari And The Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church is one of the oldest organized churches (If not the oldest) in the world and dates back to biblical times (Read Acts 8:27-39 to learn more). Even though the church has made many statements on "heresy of Emperor worship" and "herbal sorcery" in regards to the Rastafarian, they also have been brought to the forefront by the Rastafari and have used it to branch outside of Ethiopia. The church in Jamaica was commissioned by Emperor Haile Selassie.

There are major differences between the sect and the church. The first being the worship of Emperor Haile Selassie as the Messiah/Savior. The church has stated many times that their commission from Emperor Haile Selassie was to lead Rastafarians away from worshiping him and turn to the worshipping of the God he worshipped. It is said that upon his return to Ethiopia from Jamaica, the Emperor spoke to Abuna Yesehaq, the Archbishop of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and declared "There is a problem in Jamaica.... Please, help these people. They are misunderstanding, they do not understand our culture.... They need a church to be established and you are chosen to go."

Initially many in the Rastafarian community welcomed the church however when it became clear that to be baptized in the church, a Rastafarian had to renounce the divinity of Haile Selassie, the problems started. The church today has continued to maintain the stance that it would only baptize in the name of Jesus Christ and not Haile Selassie.

The other big dispute is the Rastafarians way of taking a tradition, in this case the Ethiopian Solomonic Kings and the National Epic, the " Kebra Negast " and applying it to the Rastafarian cause. The "Kebra Negast" which literally translates to "Glory of the Kings" in Amharic, the Ethiopian national language, is the National Epic of the Ethiopia State. It is viewed by the church as historic record rather than Prohectic record which is the view held by Rastafarians.

Bob Marley's Baptism in Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The incident that probaly caused the major divide between many in the Rastafarian community and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church was the baptism of Bob Marley into the church before he died. He was baptized by the Head of the church Archbishop Abuna Yesehaq. What was most upsetting to the Rastafarian community was when this became public knowlegde and the statements (see media interviews) made by the church in regards to an "Orthodox conversion" by Bob Marley. His close friend, Tommy Cowan, has also has stated that Bob Marley converted to Christianity before he died.

No one really knows what this baptism meant but is has caused some controversy as both Rastafarian and Christians claim Bob Marley as their "own".

The Jamaican Church
Many of the early founders of Rastafari were from elders & preachers in the church, however there is distrust between Rastafarians and the church. The main opposition, which many would deem credible, is that the church today has strayed away from the teaching of Christ, which is to care for and be the voice of the downtrodden and oppressed. Rastafarians, through their music and life style, try to speak for and to the downtrodden, poor and oppressed.

Adding to the tension in the earlier 2000’s are songs by Capelton & Sizzla condemning what many perceive as the Jamaican church to burn with ‘fire’. There are some signs of reconciliation, as the upswing in spiritual reggae music has become a small bridge to this process." </div></div>


i man naw join no ethiopian orthodox church...
the church is the church...

rasta nah bow

dem seh bob marley 'conerted', but how can you convert to christ from christ...christ is a title & not a name...

his wife gave a different story, though...she said he cried out fidelity to rasta in his last breath...

i respect the e. o. church but mi nah join dem...

rasta alone a dweet