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#76

11-02-2005, 05:15 PM

Re: Reparations: Is it appropriate?

US to pay up for stolen Jewish loot

At the end of World War II, US troops stopped a Nazi train in Austria carrying gold, art and other goods stolen from Hungarian Jews. The items were not returned to their owners - some even ended up in US officers' homes.
Now, as Daniel Lak reports, a court in Florida is finalising a US government settlement worth about $25m.

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ETA: I hadn't realized the US had agreed to pay restitution.
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11-02-2005, 05:20 PM

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Another article about the stolen loot.
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11-02-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by geneva:
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Originally posted by BlackStar:
[qb] Things will never get better so let's not make any attempt to repair or improve. Rhatid. [/qb]

bway is the fuss time mi hear BlackStar cuss.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/qb]

It look like mi nah guh finish cuss bad wud. Eh heh! [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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11-02-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by BlackStar:
[qb] Another article about the stolen loot. [/qb]

What bothers me about this is, once the reparation has been agreed to and paid, that's it. The US government doesn't owe the Hungarian Jews anything else. The "debt" is paid, the apology accepted, it's done.

Is this appropriate in the case of black American descendants of slaves?

I can't possibly see how it could be, help me get past that?
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11-02-2005, 06:02 PM

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11-03-2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by BlackStar:
Another article about the stolen loot.

What bothers me about this is, once the reparation has been agreed to and paid, that's it. The US government doesn't owe the Hungarian Jews anything else. The "debt" is paid, the apology accepted, it's done.

Is this appropriate in the case of black American descendants of slaves?

I can't possibly see how it could be, help me get past that?

Ohliz, the answer you gave to your question above is: "I can't possibly see how it could be, help me get past that" I will but in to help you. Do you remember the idea or the promise of 40 acres and a mule to the slaves after SLAVERY? It must have been intended for each family unit. The point I am making is, that would have solved the reparation problem after the Civil War and done away with. None of us would be here now discussing how impossible it's gonna be to make the neccessary reparation.

I would say, the longer the procrastination, the more difficult the problem will be in the future, because it will never really go away. The wealth of America is so vast that even a token measure in some form (not neccessarily cash) could be earmarked for such an endeavour. But the billions are better spent on WARS and SPACE Exploration if you get my drift. I can't see the US building enough prisons to house their suffering black population who were denied restitution after slavery and who encountered restrictive laws to make sure they were kept DOWN. So if you wrap your head around the many ways it could be done, it wouldn't amount to rocket Science and they would get the "monkey off their back", so to speak. But MONEY, even where justified would cause another "Civil War"

There are many in the US that would rather die in denying JUSTICE in the form of reparation to those who were forced to give their blood sweat and tears so they could enjoy riches and priviledges. It's funny, but somehow I get the feeling that the fruits of SLAVERY for America will forever be bitter sweet in digesting.

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11-03-2005, 01:46 AM

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y iss mzungu trii fii tell blakk oww wee fii spend owa money
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11-03-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by lonrwolf:
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11-03-2005, 01:54 AM

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Spelling........check
Punctuation...check
Grammar......check
Source.........?

BTW, you missed 'Oparh'.
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11-03-2005, 02:47 AM

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Originally posted by ohliz:
[qb] Many of the Jews were in concentration camps because they were promised US Visas that the US Government never intended to issue

I suggest that they were in camps primarily because the Nazis put them there.

However, I found this: http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/st/~imlopez/main.html

...which makes for very interesting reading. I did not know about the anti-immigrant stuff that was going on here before and during the war.

Is that refusal to admit those refugees something that reparations should be paid for? [/qb]

If profits were made by illegal means, those that profitted owe reparations. Reparations are due those that sufferred because of the illegal activity.
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11-03-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by BakYaSoh:
[qb] If profits were made by illegal means, those that profitted owe reparations. Reparations are due those that sufferred because of the illegal activity. [/qb]

I would even add the word immoral to qualify the means and the activity.
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11-03-2005, 04:41 AM

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I prefer to leave morality out of individual laws. "Immoral means" is vague and has no specific meaning. "Illegal means" is very specific, and can be exactingly specified.

Slavery, genocide and racial cleansing are all illegal under international law.
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11-03-2005, 08:01 AM

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11-03-2005, 08:06 AM

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11-03-2005, 09:24 AM

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