Another reason I am not a Christian

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
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Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Again: How were black Jamaicans Christianised? Why are you having a hard time answering this question?[/qb]

You answer the question please. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] And then tell us how Jamaicans became atheists. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Perhaps u can throw in info. also on how Jamaicans became members of another religion/denomination while your at it. [/qb]

I didn't realise that I had an obligation to provide answers to questions to which I wish to obtain answers.

Servant's ducking this question, and the longer he continues to do so, the clearer his dishonesty will be.

[jedi]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly.

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly. [/qb]

You are aware that 'you' is both singular and plural, are you not? The behaviour of Christians, such as yourself, is what I meant.

[servant]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

"Again: How were black Jamaicans Christianised? Why are you having a hard time answering this question?"

Oh Fledgist please. Because I refuse to indulge you in your unrelenting campaign of anti-Christian vitriol ? Because I choose not to be a party to your breathless recitations of events in history to impugn the character of every single Christian who remains in this forum ? Go elsewhere to have your fix of hate.

[jedi]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly. [/qb]

The behaviour of Christians, such as yourself, is what I meant.[/qb]

Again lumping all Christians together of course.
Well it is always easiest to blame our moral condition on others isn't it? A classic symptom of moral cowardice I must say.

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Again: How were black Jamaicans Christianised? Why are you having a hard time answering this question?[/qb]

You answer the question please. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] And then tell us how Jamaicans became atheists. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Perhaps u can throw in info. also on how Jamaicans became members of another religion/denomination while your at it. [/qb]

I didn't realise that I had an obligation to provide answers to questions to which I wish to obtain answers.

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You don't,but if you know or think you know the answer already,then why even ask????

and notice that I didn't just tell u to answer your own question.
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[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by britisha:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
... you could tell us of a genocide committed by black Africans who were uninfluenced by Christianity or Islam.

The fact that you didn't hear of it or know of it, doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.

{Fledgist: True. However, do you have evidence of such a thing? If you do present it, if not my statement stands.}

You know, Fledgist, you surprise me. I am still wondering what do you wish to achieve by starting threads like these. You have informed the board of your qualifications which I am imagining that you achieved by your ability to be analytical. However to constantly harp on why you are not a christian, giving examples of warmongers and criminals who call themselves christians, as the reason why you couldn't embrace christianity make me seriously wonder what is up your sleeve.

{Fledgist: My arm.}

britisha: Now,now. You forgot the icon or graemlin; or are you afraid if you smile, your face will crack? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

{Fledgist: I find I work best without a laugh track.}

You even go as far as to say: "If I do something bad, that could well be because I have not fully shaken off the influence of Christianity." Now I am here wondering how can anyone in their right mind make a statement as that? You sound like another poster here, who only saw things from the gloom and doom aspect.

{Fledgist: But you're not saying I'm wrong? If you have actual evidence -- other than the fact that I don't share your belief system -- that I'm not in my right mind, be so kind as to present it.}

britisha: Fledgist you are the one who time and time again refuse to accept that the Bible can affect you for the simple reason that you don't believe anything in it other than the historical accounts. So tell me, aren't you contradicting yourself? In addition to the fact that you stated that the Bible is not the foundation of morality (to which I agree)

{Fledgist: No one is unaffected by their upbringing -- Stalin's doctrinal rigidity, for example, looks like it came from his Orthodox training.}

Did you only read the parts of the Bible that dealt with war?

{Fledgist: I've read all of the Bible.}

You are seeing things through your own eyes, and others vice versa. The fact that you choose to focus on the negatives in the Bible, doesn't negate the positives that lie therein.

{Fledgist: Like the parts about slaves obeying their masters, perhaps? Or the only black people getting a favourable mention being eunuchs? And do tell me whose eyes I should see with?}

[Hahaha, [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Use the icons, man. Not to belabor a worn out frazzled point, why is it that you never addressed slavery in Africa, past and present in the context of having nothing to with the Bible? Why not?]

{Fledgist: Dealing with the economics of slavery would take it out of the remit of this group. Dealing with the justifications for slavery, and the use of Christianity as an ideology both to justify the enslavement of Africans 'for their salvation' and as a means of controlling said Africans (see, for example, 1 Timothy 6 i, or 1 Peter 2 xviii), does fall within said remit.}

Noone knows the true situation that existed in a former colony where artificial boundaries were set up, where tribes were pitted against tribes by former colonial masters who are well known for dividing and conquering and the years of indoctrination that could've gone on.

{Fledgist: Thanks for making my point.}

I hope it concurs with mine. Don't let the word "indoctrination" fool you. Indoctrination in terms of material wealth supercedes love and in the name of capitalism, it is good to kill our brother...nothing to do with religion. It is called again, dividing and conquering.

{Fledgist: The fact that a Seventh-Day Adventist minister has been found guilty of genocide at Arusha, and that Catholic nuns were found guilty by a court in Belgium would seem to suggest that religion has something to do with it.}

[The question should be, or one of the questions should be: "why are black ppl still killing each other as we speak both within and without Mother Africa?" What legacy did they inherit and from who would permit these sorts of mass murders to wantonly be perpetrated to this day? This is what we as a people on the other side of the diaspora should be focusing on...and no, you don't need my permission...instead of wasting our time talking about who is christian and who is not, and what christians do and don't. This is an exercise in futility.]

{Fledgist: If you want to stick your head in the sand, you're free to do so. Don't expect me to.}
britisha: Call it what you will. If you choose to spend the rest of your days, discussing religion, in the vein that you do...be my guest. IMHO there are more pressing problems in the Motherland than to tunnelvision my vision on floggin a dead horse sic, that is already dead.

[Who supplied the guns and ammunitions that we use to kill each other? Tribalism is an age-old phenomenon in Africa, and IMHO will not be eradicated easily. The white man saw this and capatalised on it, most likely why you and I are here today as we are, descendants of slaves....and still dividing and conquering. Look what happened in Sierra Leone, with children who can barely talk bearing ammunitons to shoot his brother. Again where did these ammo come from?]

{Fledgist: Tell us.}

How funny.

{Fledgist: I just wonder how many of the manufacturers of those weapons are pious churchgoers.}

Whether or not we are or were christians in my opinion has nothing to do with this issue. Man is good and man has the propensity to be also evil. Religion or no religion, this is the fact, take it or leave it.

{Fledgist: Yet there's no evidence of such hostility or such horrible crimes before the arrival of Christianity.}

Where's the proof?

Wake up and smell the coffee, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Walk good.

So I'm a coffee-drinking dog?

Thanks for the ice-breaker.[/qb]

Okay, but note that no evidence is no evidence!

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by servant:
[qb]"Again: How were black Jamaicans Christianised? Why are you having a hard time answering this question?"

Oh Fledgist please. Because I refuse to indulge you in your unrelenting campaign of anti-Christian vitriol ? Because I choose not to be a party to your breathless recitations of events in history to impugn the character of every single Christian who remains in this forum ? Go elsewhere to have your fix of hate.[/qb]

Why is it so hard to answer such a simple question? Why is asking this question trying to get 'a fix of hate'? Your moral cowardice is simply breathtaking.

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]quote: Fledgist
Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly. [/qb]

The behaviour of Christians, such as yourself, is what I meant.[/qb]

Again lumping all Christians together of course.
Well it is always easiest to blame our moral condition on others isn't it? A classic symptom of moral cowardice I must say.[/qb]

No, I am being quite specific. I meant Christians like you. As for moral cowardice: I'm still waiting to hear you condemn a single crime committed by Christians in the name of Christianity. Your silence on the subject is shriekingly loud.

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]Again: How were black Jamaicans Christianised? Why are you having a hard time answering this question?[/qb]

You answer the question please. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] And then tell us how Jamaicans became atheists. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Perhaps u can throw in info. also on how Jamaicans became members of another religion/denomination while your at it. [/qb]

I didn't realise that I had an obligation to provide answers to questions to which I wish to obtain answers.

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You don't,but if you know or think you know the answer already,then why even ask????

{Fledgist: I want to hear the answer. Take note of how Servant has run away from answering it. It would seem that the answer to that question would not be very creditable to Christians and the Christian religion -- or so he appears to think.}

and notice that I didn't just tell u to answer your own question.
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Why don't you try to provide an answer?

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

i dont know the answer,but at least you tried.

[jedi]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]quote: Fledgist
Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly. [/qb]

The behaviour of Christians, such as yourself, is what I meant.[/qb]

Again lumping all Christians together of course.
Well it is always easiest to blame our moral condition on others isn't it? A classic symptom of moral cowardice I must say.[/qb]

No, I am being quite specific. I meant Christians like you.

{Jedi: Which is to say nothing at all since you lump all Christians together, observation alone shows that you do. Futhermore, your evaluation of me is only one more plume in my hat as far as I am concerned.}

As for moral cowardice: I'm still waiting to hear you condemn a single crime committed by Christians in the name of Christianity.

{Jedi: I have, you have chosen to ignore them. Furthermore I will not be any more accountable for the actions of other Christians, than I expect other atheists on this forum to be for your malevolence}

Your silence on the subject is shriekingly loud.

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Why? because I don't follow behind and comment on every hate thread against Christians that you start. With experience comes wisdom.
Pul-leeeeze, I wonder why anyone even bother to comment. Obviously you are on a mission anyone can see that: SPREAD THE HATE .

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
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Another reason I am not a Christian

I missed the first reason, since I came on here later than you, or perhaps you didn't share it could you please share that with us?[/qb]

You.[/qb]

Figured that you would say that that is why I said I came on here later therefore you had to have a reason why you are not chrisitian before me. Or are you saying you were of a Christian leaning till you met me. I doubt that very strongly. [/qb]

The behaviour of Christians, such as yourself, is what I meant.[/qb]

Again lumping all Christians together of course.
Well it is always easiest to blame our moral condition on others isn't it? A classic symptom of moral cowardice I must say.[/qb]

No, I am being quite specific. I meant Christians like you.

{Jedi: Which is to say nothing at all since you lump all Christians together, observation alone shows that you do. Futhermore, your evaluation of me is only one more plume in my hat as far as I am concerned.}

{Fledgist: Then I presume that you are not 'praying' for me. For that I'm grateful. Of course, since by your belief I'm going straight to hell, I'm interested to see that the thought makes you happy. I'm not surprised.}

As for moral cowardice: I'm still waiting to hear you condemn a single crime committed by Christians in the name of Christianity.

{Jedi: I have, you have chosen to ignore them. Furthermore I will not be any more accountable for the actions of other Christians, than I expect other atheists on this forum to be for your malevolence}

{Fledgist: Really? Tell me, are you unaccountable for 1 Peter 2 xviii? I haven't seen your condemnations of any of these crimes. I have seen you excuse them.}

Your silence on the subject is shriekingly loud.

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Why? because I don't follow behind and comment on every hate thread against Christians that you start. With experience comes wisdom.
Pul-leeeeze, I wonder why anyone even bother to comment. Obviously you are on a mission anyone can see that: SPREAD THE HATE .[/qb]

You mean tell the truth.

[jedi]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

you mean tell the truth

Your idea of what is truth is very often distorted, a fact proven over and over.

No I mean just what I said....... SPREAD THE HATE