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Re: Another reason I am not a Christian
So I'm a coffee-drinking dog?
Originally posted by britisha:
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The fact that you didn't hear of it or know of it, doesn't mean that it couldn't have happened.
{Fledgist: True. However, do you have evidence of such a thing? If you do present it, if not my statement stands.}
You know, Fledgist, you surprise me. I am still wondering what do you wish to achieve by starting threads like these. You have informed the board of your qualifications which I am imagining that you achieved by your ability to be analytical. However to constantly harp on why you are not a christian, giving examples of warmongers and criminals who call themselves christians, as the reason why you couldn't embrace christianity make me seriously wonder what is up your sleeve.
{Fledgist: My arm.}
You even go as far as to say: "If I do something bad, that could well be because I have not fully shaken off the influence of Christianity." Now I am here wondering how can anyone in their right mind make a statement as that? You sound like another poster here, who only saw things from the gloom and doom aspect.
{Fledgist: But you're not saying I'm wrong? If you have actual evidence -- other than the fact that I don't share your belief system -- that I'm not in my right mind, be so kind as to present it.}
Did you only read the parts of the Bible that dealt with war?
{Fledgist: I've read all of the Bible.}
You are seeing things through your own eyes, and others vice versa. The fact that you choose to focus on the negatives in the Bible, doesn't negate the positives that lie therein.
{Fledgist: Like the parts about slaves obeying their masters, perhaps? Or the only black people getting a favourable mention being eunuchs? And do tell me whose eyes I should see with?}
Noone knows the true situation that existed in a former colony where artificial boundaries were set up, where tribes were pitted against tribes by former colonial masters who are well known for dividing and conquering and the years of indoctrination that could've gone on.
{Fledgist: Thanks for making my point.}
The question should be, or one of the questions should be: "why are black ppl still killing each other as we speak both within and without Mother Africa?" What legacy did they inherit and from who would permit these sorts of mass murders to wantonly be perpetrated to this day? This is what we as a people on the other side of the diaspora should be focusing on...and no, you don't need my permission...instead of wasting our time talking about who is christian and who is not, and what christians do and don't. This is an exercise in futility.
{Fledgist: If you want to stick your head in the sand, you're free to do so. Don't expect me to.}
Who supplied the guns and ammunitions that we use to kill each other? Tribalism is an age-old phenomenon in Africa, and IMHO will not be eradicated easily. The white man saw this and capatalised on it, most likely why you and I are here today as we are, descendants of slaves....and still dividing and conquering. Look what happened in Sierra Leone, with children who can barely talk bearing ammunitons to shoot his brother. Again where did these ammo come from?
{Fledgist: Tell us.}
Whether or not we are or were christians in my opinion has nothing to do with this issue. Man is good and man has the propensity to be also evil. Religion or no religion, this is the fact, take it or leave it.
{Fledgist: Yet there's no evidence of such hostility or such horrible crimes before the arrival of Christianity.}
Wake up and smell the coffee, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Walk good.[/qb]
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
... you could tell us of a genocide committed by black Africans who were uninfluenced by Christianity or Islam.
... you could tell us of a genocide committed by black Africans who were uninfluenced by Christianity or Islam.
{Fledgist: True. However, do you have evidence of such a thing? If you do present it, if not my statement stands.}
You know, Fledgist, you surprise me. I am still wondering what do you wish to achieve by starting threads like these. You have informed the board of your qualifications which I am imagining that you achieved by your ability to be analytical. However to constantly harp on why you are not a christian, giving examples of warmongers and criminals who call themselves christians, as the reason why you couldn't embrace christianity make me seriously wonder what is up your sleeve.
{Fledgist: My arm.}
You even go as far as to say: "If I do something bad, that could well be because I have not fully shaken off the influence of Christianity." Now I am here wondering how can anyone in their right mind make a statement as that? You sound like another poster here, who only saw things from the gloom and doom aspect.
{Fledgist: But you're not saying I'm wrong? If you have actual evidence -- other than the fact that I don't share your belief system -- that I'm not in my right mind, be so kind as to present it.}
Did you only read the parts of the Bible that dealt with war?
{Fledgist: I've read all of the Bible.}
You are seeing things through your own eyes, and others vice versa. The fact that you choose to focus on the negatives in the Bible, doesn't negate the positives that lie therein.
{Fledgist: Like the parts about slaves obeying their masters, perhaps? Or the only black people getting a favourable mention being eunuchs? And do tell me whose eyes I should see with?}
Noone knows the true situation that existed in a former colony where artificial boundaries were set up, where tribes were pitted against tribes by former colonial masters who are well known for dividing and conquering and the years of indoctrination that could've gone on.
{Fledgist: Thanks for making my point.}
The question should be, or one of the questions should be: "why are black ppl still killing each other as we speak both within and without Mother Africa?" What legacy did they inherit and from who would permit these sorts of mass murders to wantonly be perpetrated to this day? This is what we as a people on the other side of the diaspora should be focusing on...and no, you don't need my permission...instead of wasting our time talking about who is christian and who is not, and what christians do and don't. This is an exercise in futility.
{Fledgist: If you want to stick your head in the sand, you're free to do so. Don't expect me to.}
Who supplied the guns and ammunitions that we use to kill each other? Tribalism is an age-old phenomenon in Africa, and IMHO will not be eradicated easily. The white man saw this and capatalised on it, most likely why you and I are here today as we are, descendants of slaves....and still dividing and conquering. Look what happened in Sierra Leone, with children who can barely talk bearing ammunitons to shoot his brother. Again where did these ammo come from?
{Fledgist: Tell us.}
Whether or not we are or were christians in my opinion has nothing to do with this issue. Man is good and man has the propensity to be also evil. Religion or no religion, this is the fact, take it or leave it.
{Fledgist: Yet there's no evidence of such hostility or such horrible crimes before the arrival of Christianity.}
Wake up and smell the coffee, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Walk good.[/qb]
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