Another reason I am not a Christian

[Mutty]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Flege I have a question.

If you became ruler (dictator) of a nation that had lots of Christians as citizens. What would you do with the Christians?

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.
Don't get too steamy Tuffy. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb][QUOTE]Originally posted by Fledgist:
[QB][QUOTE]Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb][QUOTE]Originally posted by Fledgist:

Originally posted by Jedi:
Fledgist: Either it is the eternal work of god, or it is a temporally-bound human creation.

Jedi: Who is disputing that it isn't the eternal work of God? Clearly your beef is with God isn't it?

{Fledgist: You are. You're claiming it must be ready as temporally-bound. How can I have a 'beef' with something that doesn't exist?}

Fledgist: You can't have it both ways. I'm applying timeless moral standards:

Jedi: And could you kindly show me where I even suggested having it both ways, yet another presumption

{Fledgist: Where you stated that slavery was legal at the time, and the apostles could not condemn the practice because they lived 'at a time when slavery was acceptable'.}

Fledgist:human beings are ends, not means. That's all.

Jedi: Talk about specious reasoning.

{Fledgist: It what way is it specious?}

Fledgist: I'm applying a universal moral standard. Slavery was wrong 2000 years ago, it's wrong today. Murder was wrong 2000 years ago, it's wrong today.

Jedi: Go back and tell it to your fellows 2000 years ago. Slavery was a human institution.

{Fledgist: Yup, just like Christianity. And the Bible says slaves must obey even cruel masters.}

Fledgist: Does screaming make something true?
Where is the condemnation of slavery in the Bible?

Jedi: EVERYWHERE-but you're too blind to see it.

{Fledgist: Chapter and verse please. And screaming doesn't make things more true.}

Fledgist:The Enlightenment, it seems pretty clear, involved the overcoming of superstitions like Christianity.

Jedi: Is that why you are so dark in you understanding?

{Fledgist: I'm hardly in the dark. I'm certainly not defending the endorsement of a criminal practice.}

Fledgist: In other words, if you are oppressed just accept it. This is the morality of the slavemaster, nothing else. No decent person could accept this are moral.

Jedi: I know many oppressed in this modern day and age who willingly enslave themselves for a paycheck, but jumping ship is not always expedient especially when finding another slavemaster to feed you is so hard to come by.

{Fledgist: There is a difference between working for pay and being a slave. You're using the word 'enslave' in a vague and general sense to elide the concept of slavery out of existence. And the Epistle of Peter tells slaves to accept cruelty. Not just working at a dead-end job or for an obtuse or insensitive employer -- or can your employer lash you, rape you, or kill you?}

It is so easy to look back in RETROSPECT from the warmth and comfort of where ever you are and decry accepting oppressive circumstances, when you were not the one whose derriere would likely get beaten to a pulp, shot or hanged. No one was happy with slavery not then, not now but there was a way out and violent opposition seldom works especially when you are on the opposite end holding the blade of the sword.

{Fledgist: And yet you are a Jamaican, coming from the country with the most honourable record of slave revolt in the English-speaking world -- from 1678, when the slaves on Colonel Duck's plantation cut the throats of their overseers, to 1832, when 1/3 of the island was in revolt. Throughout history, knowing that the odds were hopeless, slaves have risen against slavery. Only once in recorded history did they succeed. Yet time and again they rose in revolt. As a great poet put it, during the revolt of an oppressed people against their oppressors (and the oppressed were mostly Christian and their oppressors Muslim) 'From the graves of slain/Shall thy valour prevail,/As we greet thee again: Hail, Liberty, hail!' The light of liberty is very hard to put out. Yet Peter (inspired by Old Nobodaddy according to you) tells slaves to put it out.}

Fledgist: In other words, focus on the delusion rather than the reality. This is no different from the 'freedom' obtained by intoxication.

Jedi: See now this is where the difference comes in. Are you a slave today Fledgist? Well let me just say this to you, our ancestors prayed night and day and their "eyes never saw, nor did their ears hear, nor could their minds fathom" the level of freedom that YOU are enjoying today, a freedom that has been so perverted that now you can spit in their faces and their earnest faith in the God who promised them this,

{Fledgist: You insult our ancestors by your assumption that their minds could not fathom liberty. You spit on their memories by ignoring the active role they played in the struggle to end slavery. You falsify history by making them (as your Bible would have it) mere passive sufferers.}

and brought it to pass. But as I said you are blind and you will never comprehend the power of those things because they are hidden from eyes.

{Fledgist: Ah yes, when in doubt state that your opponent cannot understand the marvellous 'truths' to which only the elect are privy.}

Fledgist: My mind is free, thanks. Yours doesn't seem to be.

Jedi: No it isn't, your mind is far from free. You live in constant torment, that is why you are here forever seeking and not finding, forever acquiring knowledge of the Holy and not understanding, so you resort to boxing with God.

{[i]Fledgist: Y'know, this would be amusing were it not so stupid. Earlier in this thread, you claimed that I could not read your mind. You now claim to be able to read mine. This is not simply presumptuous, it is dishonest, dishonourable, and pathetic. I say, flat out, that the above statement is false. I am not in constant torment. You, however, seem determined

Jeremiah 34
16 But now you have turned around and profaned my name; each of you has taken back the male and female slaves you had set free to go where they wished. You have forced them to become your slaves again.

Fledgist: And this means simply that having made a promise, they've gone back on it. It does not condemn slavery as an institution. Try again.

Jedi: Do you honestly get the sense that God approves of slavery from this? I believe you are being disingenuous as usual.

{Fledgist: Jews here are being chided for enslaving their fellow Jews. Nothing is said condemning slavery as an institution (and you seem to be saying that the authors of the New Testament were unaware that slavery was condemned in the Hebrew Bible. That's interesting.}

17 "Therefore, this is what the LORD says: You have not obeyed me; you have not proclaimed freedom for your fellow countrymen. So I now proclaim 'freedom' for you, declares the LORD -'freedom' to fall by the sword, plague and famine. I will make you abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth. 18 The men who have violated my covenant and have not fulfilled the terms of the covenant they made before me, I will treat like the calf they cut in two and then walked between its pieces.

{Fledgist: And where in this 'covenant' is slavery condemned?}

Jedi: Right here "Therefore, this is what the LORD says: You have not obeyed me; you have not proclaimed freedom for your fellow countrymen. So I now proclaim 'freedom' for you, declares the LORD -'freedom' to fall by the sword, plague and famine.

Jedi: Rather harsh words to His own people wouldn't you say, for a God that condoned slavery?

Fledgist: The harsh words, such as they are, are not about slavery.

Jedi: Again being disingenuous.

{Fledgist: Hardly. The criticism is of Jews enslaving other Jews. That's all. Nothing is said about slavery in general, just that Jews who had been enslaved were given their freedom and then had it taken away from them by fellow Jews. That's not a condemnation of slavery, that's just saying that members of a given community should not enslave other members of that community.}

Fledgist: If you can't tell the difference between morality and technology, you need help.

Jedi: Many today would argue that caravans drawn by oxen back then was nothing short of cruelty to animals. I guess it all depends on which 'moral codes' you are debating on. But for the sake of

Fledgist: Red herring alert.

Jedi: Of course, run for 'Red Herring cover.'

{Fledgist: If you want to bring up cruelty to animals, start your own thread. If you want to excuse slavery -- which it seems you do -- have the decency to do so in an open and straightforward manner.}

Jedi: let me just say that I am trying to point out how ludicrous it is to adapt an ancient culture to our current moral codes of conduct and laws.

Fledgist: Hmm. If that's your argument -- and you are, thereby, making the Bible a historically-bound work. Then it is not relevant to today.

Jedi: That is my argument and it absolutely doesnot make the Bible a historically bound work.
The Bible is LIVING history, and as such is very relevant to today but that is not the argument here. Slavery was acceptable during those times. PERIOD. The bible does not condone slavery anywhere. God hated slavery.

{Fledgist: The Bible explicitly commands slaves to be obedient. This Old Nobodaddy of yours would seem not to have had a problem with the institution.}

Fledgist: In any case, as I've pointed out, I'm applying a universal moral standard.
Slavery is a crime. Revolt against slavery is defence against that crime.

Jedi: Slavery has been abolished. Um! this is getting revolting.

{Fledgist: In what way? Are you suggesting that slaves should not have revolted against slavery?}

Fledgist: Tell me, are you actually claiming that morality can change?

Jedi: God's morals have never changed, as I said above, but man's have, repeatedly. Why, you should know all about that! Afterall isn't it man who sets the moral standards that we follow?

Fledgist: DWL. Morals derive from reason.

Jedi: Precisely, there is all your answer in a nutshell, SLAVERY: a derivative of mans reasoning.
Need I say more?

{Fledgist: Fine. Why then does your sacred text uphold it?}

Fledgist: That there is no fixed standard of right and wrong? Your religion teaches that?

Jedi: Is this the same person who argues so vigorously against "absolute truths" speaking here? (Tongue in cheek of course)
Now you know full well what my religion teaches which is the reason why you are so totally against it. ABSOLUTE RIGHT AND WRONG My God is a God of JUSTICE, see the foregoing scripture passage.

Fledgist: I asked you a question. If there is absolute right and wrong, you cannot say 'something was acceptable in the past and is not acceptable now'.

Jedi: To say something is acceptable is not to say that it is morally correct. Such as abortion or homosexuality. I never said that slavery was morally correct, I said it was accepted then.

{Fledgist: You said that it could not be condemned by the authors of the Bible because it was accepted. This would mean, by strict analogy, that you should not condemn abortion because it is accepted. In any case, by commanding slaves to obey, the Bible is stating that slavery is morally correct -- it contains condemnation of other practices, after all, such as wearing clothes made of two different fibres.}

Fledgist: So would you kindly tell me why you are arguing that right and wrong are relative?

Jedi: Those are your words, I never said any such thing. However it is something that you would argue at the right occasion.

{Fledgist: I'm sorry, you cannot blame your ideas on me.}

Fledgist: That is what you're doing by stating that they are historically-bound.

Jedi: It was acceptable then it is not now. A statement of fact. I didnot say it was right then nor am I saying that it is right now. Do not put words into my mouth.

{Fledgist: If it was morally wrong, why is there no condemnation?}

Fledgist:So, either you don't know what you're saying or you're a flaming hypocrite. Which is it?

Jedi: I do know what I am saying, as well you also know what it is I am saying. In fact I couldn't be more clear. Your pretention is only evidence of your refusal to reason both sides and ultimately that only stems from your hypocrisy.

{Fledgist: LOL!}

Jedi: (Now here comes the deconstruction of Christianity) Christianity is vehemently opposed to sin in all forms, including the use of carefully crafted lies and utilizing scriptures taken out of context; in order to

Fledgist: LOL! It looks like you've run out of argument here.

Jedi: LOL! You wish.

{Fledgist: Oh you have. There's nothing but invective here.}

Jedi: antagonize, inflame, incite, and garner sympathy and wrath, amongst the gullible readers for the perpetuation of hatred against God's Church.

Fledgist: Could we have some coherence, please?

Jedi: What you can't read ?

{Fledgist: Oh I can. I'm trying to figure out why I am trying to garner both sympathy and wrath from these gullible readers of yours.}

Fledgist: I find you hateful, ridiculous, and contemptible, but

Jedi: Save it for the next time you look at your SELF in the mirror and no buts.

{Fledgist: DWL!}

Fledgist: I perpetuate nothing, I merely comment.

Jedi: To a very large audience.

{Fledgist: So. I'm a free man, and I'm exercising my freedom in a perfectly legal way. You, it seems, would want me not to have that freedom -- to be thrown into slavery, in effect. Why would that be, I wonder?}

ANTI-CHRIST decked out in his finest array.... DECEPTION.


Fledgist: When in doubt, resort to invective?

Jedi: There was never anything I was more sure of in my life.

{Fledgist: Your mind-reading show must really pull in the punters.}

Fledgist: By your argument, be it noted, because abortion is legal here and now it should not be opposed. I expect you never again to complain of it.

Jedi: Have you suddenly changed sides on the abortion issue?

Fledgist: No. Apparently you have a hard time understanding what you read.

Jedi: Not at all, however you seem to have a hard time spotting sarcasm in writing.

{Fledgist: I have an easy time spotting a dodge. And it's easy to spot a lame response}

A hundred years from now were abortion to be found one of the most hienous crimes against mankind (which I believe it is today, as does the Christian church) - someone might very well say that although Jedi was a Christian she was also pro-abortion because abortion was acceptable during her time and she didnot go out and bomb abortion clinics or stone pro-abortionists. Which is to say because a person lived in a time when a thing was acceptable, that makes that person accountable for it, because the person did not go out and commit violent acts to prove their utter rejection of that thing. The Apostles sought to further freedom from slavery of the worst kind.....slavery to sin which is the root of all kinds of slavery.

Fledgist: Nowhere does the Bible state that slavery is wrong, that turning human beings into property is a crime. That's the thing.

Jedi: ***{Hmmm! neither abortion or homosexuality I have heard said - off to the side a bit} ***

And you refuse to follow the theme of the whole work of the bible which is to abolish slavery of all kinds through the redemption of mankind from sin.

{Fledgist: The pie in the sky by and by bit you mean?}

THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS A PROCLAMATION OF EMANCIPATION BUT YOU ARE EITHER TOO BLIND OR TOO DISINGENUOUS, OR BOTH TO SEE IT.

{Fledgist: Block capitals do not make things true. Pie in the sky promises are hardly emancipation}

Fledgist: I said nothing about the 'apostles' going out and freeing slaves. Do try to make your analogies reasonable.

Jedi: You have said repeatedly that they could have and should have used their sphere of influence to free the slaves, you have condemned Paul for returning the slave Onesimus to his

{Fledgist: You really have a hard time reading. Your analogy would require that the writers of the New Testament actively freed slaves. All I have been asking is why they did not condemn the institution.}

master, Peter for telling slaves to obey their masters, and stated on this very thread that they should have told them instead "Slaves slay your masters."

Fledgist: You're glad that you can justify a crime against humanity?

Jedi: Slavery is a crime against humanity, and mankind has no one to blame but himself for this. But it took hundreds of years to enlighten the darkened consciences of mankind to this fact. A key player in this enlightenment has been and continues to be the Christian church with all its faulty players and dim witted proselytizers it still stands the only light in a dark universe.

Fledgist: Ah yes. I suppose that is why when the Christian church completely dominated Europe it was the Dark Ages.

Jedi: Please don't spread lies, go back and read your history books more carefully, kindly observe who ruled the Christian church at the time. But ah yes, thank God for the Reformation....God has seen to it that mankind would not, could not, and will never be able to spoil His ultimate plan of salvation for those who are willing to heed His call to come .[/qb]

Ah yes, when in doubt, say that they were bad Christians. *Sigh*

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb]Flege I have a question.

If you became ruler (dictator) of a nation that had lots of Christians as citizens. What would you do with the Christians?[/qb]

Nothing. My position on civil liberties is that of John Stuart Mill -- an atheist by the bye -- which you can find by reading his essay On Liberty. I heartily recommend you do so.

Now, note that Jedi has avoided saying what she would do if she had political power, and so have you.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )[/qb]

Let`s settle one thing first who is theSome of you?
What are the examples of Christian disposition that the Some of you have identified?

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]The enslaving of the minds of thousands of people in Jamaica and the interferance with socio-economic strategies that might aid developement.



Well here it is folks for those who were wonderning what the hidden agenda was.
Christianity interfering with political idealism in Jamaica.[/qb]

And that's acceptable to you?

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by servant:
[qb]"And with the entrails of the last of the priests let us strangle the last of the kings"

Mutty, in fairness to Fledgist, these are not his words. But given the historical events with which they are associated, his choosing to have repeated them here was interesting to say the least.

But who cares. Hate speech is now protected in this forum.[/qb]

'Hate speech' being defined as distaste for what you believe in?

[Fledgist]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
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Originally posted by Fledgist:
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Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb]I remember that thread as clearly as I remember the one about bludgeoning all Christians who have contributed by their belief in Christ to the homophobia that led one young man to bludgeon another. You know it wouldn't be a bad idea to start saving some of these hate threads in Word for future reference that is.[/qb]

Your memory is a bit faulty. I expressed the wish that all those who contributed to homophobia might meet the same fate as the young man who was bludgeoned on the Morehouse College campus.

Jedi: Clearly you indicated "all those Christians who".

It is apparently 'hate' to say this, but not hate to create an atmosphere in which people can be battered when suspected of homosexuality.

Jedi: Hence you targeted Christianity as the culprit.

In any case, what harm is it to you if someone else is homosexual? What injury does it cause you?[/qb]

RED HERRING!!!......this is not about homosexuality at all it is about your promotion of violent acts against "all who are Christians" repeatedly shown on this forum.[/qb]

I have promoted no violent acts. I have, however, expressed a wish that people who create an atmosphere in which certain acts of violence occur might experience what they have brought to others. I have certainly not promoted violence against all who are Christian.

Tell us, Jedi, since you've dodged this question, how would you treat non-Christians if you had political power. I'm curious to see if you'll come close to being honest.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Jedi:
[qb].....RED HERRING!!!......this is not about homosexuality at all it is about your promotion of violent acts against "all who are Christians" repeatedly shown on this forum.[/qb]

So Fledg has promoted violent acts against christians?
Wasn`t it you who accused me of threatening you and erasing it all because I edited my post for grammatical errors?

It seems you constantly dream up demons....how do you even get any sleep at night?
Anyone who takes issue with the crap you or anyone writes are automatically deemed to be out to get you?

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )[/qb]

Let`s settle one thing first who is theSome of you?
What are the examples of Christian disposition that the Some of you have identified?[/qb]

some of you who are not christians.
oh,so u dont know the christian disposition????(maybe i am asking the wrong person)
you want examples????You'll have to go back and dig-up info. on that.You were absent for a while here.

well,since you seem to not know the christian disposition,just answer me what the disposition is of atheists.surely,you must know.

[Mutty]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb]Flege I have a question.

If you became ruler (dictator) of a nation that had lots of Christians as citizens. What would you do with the Christians?[/qb]

Nothing. My position on civil liberties is that of John Stuart Mill -- an atheist by the bye -- which you can find by reading his essay On Liberty. I heartily recommend you do so.

Now, note that Jedi has avoided saying what she would do if she had political power, and so have you.[/qb]

I never knew you asked me a question for me to even avoid it. Sorry. Anyway, if I had political power it would not be used to throw atheists and others of different beliefs to the lions. Not my style, personality or creed. Besides, I am not consumed with hatred for any particular group of people either.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb]

Originally posted by Fledgist:
[qb]

Originally posted by Mutty - The return:
[qb]Flege I have a question.

If you became ruler (dictator) of a nation that had lots of Christians as citizens. What would you do with the Christians?[/qb]

Nothing. My position on civil liberties is that of John Stuart Mill -- an atheist by the bye -- which you can find by reading his essay On Liberty. I heartily recommend you do so.

Now, note that Jedi has avoided saying what she would do if she had political power, and so have you.[/qb]

I never knew you asked me a question for me to even avoid it. Sorry. Anyway, if I had political power it would not be used to throw atheists and others of different beliefs to the lions. Not my style, personality or creed. Besides, I am not consumed with hatred for any particular group of people either.[/qb]

Really weren`t you the person here who first called me up in this forum to answer questions?

When I voiced my opinions you eventually wrote screed directed against me that was titled "The Tuff Gongs of this world".
I think I would avoid any Country that you were the ruler in!

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )[/qb]

Let`s settle one thing first who is theSome of you?
What are the examples of Christian disposition that the Some of you have identified?[/qb]

some of you who are not christians.
oh,so u dont know the christian disposition????(maybe i am asking the wrong person)
you want examples????You'll have to go back and dig-up info. on that.You were absent for a while here.

well,since you seem to not know the christian disposition,just answer me what the disposition is of atheists.surely,you must know.[/qb]

I don`t know I am not an Atheist!
Judeo-Christians have used the bible and religion to justify Homicide, Slavery, Marginalization and all kinds of wrongs against unbelivers and worse believers of other faith.

Now if I was a thinking human being I would be inclined to avoid religion totally.
Now I have not seen any Historically references to Atheists using the Faith of Atheistism to Rob, Rape and Kill....Peace

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )[/qb]

Let`s settle one thing first who is theSome of you?
What are the examples of Christian disposition that the Some of you have identified?[/qb]

some of you who are not christians.
oh,so u dont know the christian disposition????(maybe i am asking the wrong person)
you want examples????You'll have to go back and dig-up info. on that.You were absent for a while here.

well,since you seem to not know the christian disposition,just answer me what the disposition is of atheists.surely,you must know.[/qb]

I don`t know I am not an Atheist!
Judeo-Christians have used the bible and religion to justify Homicide, Slavery, Marginalization and all kinds of wrongs against unbelivers and worse believers of other faith.

Now if I was a thinking human being I would be inclined to avoid religion totally.
Now I have not seen any Historically references to Atheists using the Faith of Atheistism to Rob, Rape and Kill....Peace[/qb]

oh,u just have a problem with christians????they are the only ones who find a way to justify some wrongdoings????

atheism is a faith????faith in what???

[LadyDayshah]

Re: Another reason I am not a Christian

Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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Originally posted by LadyDayshah:
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Originally posted by Tuff Gong:
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LadyDayshah: If an atheist commits such a crime,of which Fledgist is highlighting,would it be unatheist-like of him/her or not even surprising at all????

if an atheist kills a person with a gun and a christian does the same,who is more in the wrong????

What the hell are you saying here....Murder is Murder!

LADYDAYSHAH-Exactly!!!!!!!So they are both equally wrong,right???? Hope some of u can read between the lines and see what I am trying to say here.

What is Atheist like then...what is the disposition of the typical Atheist?[/qb]

I don't know.Since some of you think you know the typical disposition of Christians,then you should surely know the disposition of yourselves.So enlighten me on what it is please.What is ATHEIST-LIKE????(and no,I am not yelling [img]/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] )[/qb]

Let`s settle one thing first who is theSome of you?
What are the examples of Christian disposition that the Some of you have identified?[/qb]

some of you who are not christians.
oh,so u dont know the christian disposition????(maybe i am asking the wrong person)
you want examples????You'll have to go back and dig-up info. on that.You were absent for a while here.

well,since you seem to not know the christian disposition,just answer me what the disposition is of atheists.surely,you must know.[/qb]

I don`t know I am not an Atheist!

Now if I was a thinking human being I would be inclined to avoid religion totally.
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[img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] so you are part of a religion???therefore,your not a thinking human being???i may be reading this wrong.correct me,please.