Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

[Jamaicamiss]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

The ideas are good for change, but I wonder if anyone can tell me what I as an individual living over there 6 months at a time can do to make the country a better place for it's people. I have tried to do a few things but I don't know if this is making a dent in the problems.

[Kumtecky]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by Jamaica Miss:
[qb] The ideas are good for change, but I wonder if anyone can tell me what I as an individual living over there 6 months at a time can do to make the country a better place for it's people. I have tried to do a few things but I don't know if this is making a dent in the problems. [/qb]

Keep doing what you are doing, no matter how small you feel the deed is or how few it helps you are doing your part...more ppl have to want to help and extend themselves and want better for themselves as well as others.

[barosa]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

It's strange! Nat one a unu xpress a desire fi get rid of all di guns in the hands of criminals an de youte dem. All criminals an murdarers fi lack up, or lack away 'cause nuff a dem roaming all ova di island not apprehended, looting an killing. How are they gonna entice returnees to go back to Jamaica when dem know dat dem wont be safe. I know a few who went down an dem haffi lif up an get out! HOMELAND SECURITY is #1 priority in Jamaica, everyting else will fall in line... Trust mi!

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We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future : FDR

[mangoskin]

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Originally posted by barosa:
[qb] Originally posted by WCL:

I went back for a visit a couple of years ago and the supermarkets were packed up with all foreign goods, much more then when I left in the 90’s.

I am not surprised. Jamaicans have always wanted farrin tings ova our sintin dem, an 'specially dose from 'MERICA. Now a days, comming from farrin not good enuff unless dem is name bran. A so wi tan, wi want di bestest.

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Modesty is not only an ornament, but also a guard to virtue : Joseph Addison [/qb]

I never understood this, because the Jamaican fruits for example, to me, are superior to the foreign ones (give me mangoes , tamrinds, guineps, june plums, otaheiti apples and on and on :love: ANY day over apples, grapes and peaches)

[mangoskin]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

..but back to taxes..isn't the $$ going to mostly service foreign debt??

[Dr.Dudd]

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Originally posted by mangoskin:
[qb] ..but back to taxes..isn't the $$ going to mostly service foreign debt?? [/qb]

Let's assume that is the truth and it is the problem,what proposal do you have to selve it?
Though the majority of Jamaica government dent is locally sourced.eve those that were sourced in the US were promptly resold to locals at a premium.

[Sinco01]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by Wardob:
[qb] “Get rid of the corrupt pols and businessmen”
How? independent oversight .. prosecute those who offer/take bribes

“Change how govt operates”
How? - accountability .. meetings with local councils .. monthly

”Cut govt expenditures”
Who should do this? - balanced budgets .. limit spending on projects that have gone over budget

“Cut civil service”
What area? - all .. 30% reduction

“Install accountability”
How? - An ombudsman type office to investigate complaints against govt/ministers and reccommend
and oversee implementing change or charges.

“Spend on improving water .. agri .. infrastructure
including govt buildings & schools”
These fall under expenditure, which you suggest should be cut - yes but in other ares .. maybe should say .. more efficient handling of expenditures in those ares

”Cut imports by half”
Even the essential? - yes ... btw what would you consider essential

“Export more”
More of what? - everything ... improve agri (irrigation - terracing - dams/resevoirs) and manu .. update sugar/canning factories/electricity/cement

“Look for non-traditional markets”
And after they are found, what next? - develop the confidence and trust that we can/will fill all orders

“Adopt a school ... works too”
Agree about the school, but “work” adoption? - [img]/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] .. that could be "busy as a bee" [/qb]

[Sinco01]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by lover of jamaica land:
[qb] Vote everyone out. Start anew.......... [/qb]

dat mi seh .. get rid of dem

[Sinco01]

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Originally posted by barosa:
[qb] It's strange! Nat one a unu xpress a desire fi get rid of all di guns in the hands of criminals an de youte dem. All criminals an murdarers fi lack up, or lack away 'cause nuff a dem roaming all ova di island not apprehended, looting an killing. How are they gonna entice returnees to go back to Jamaica when dem know dat dem wont be safe. I know a few who went down an dem haffi lif up an get out! HOMELAND SECURITY is #1 priority in Jamaica, everyting else will fall in line... Trust mi!

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We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future : FDR [/qb]

dat is why mi first proposal was to get rid of the corruption up top ... dats where it (de gunman support) start

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Balamce budget is nonsense,propogated be those with unterior motives,to keep people down.
Thi sis not a jab at you Sionco,I think that you have good intensions. You just don't know.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by barosa:
[qb] It's strange! Nat one a unu xpress a desire fi get rid of all di guns in the hands of criminals an de youte dem. All criminals an murdarers fi lack up, or lack away 'cause nuff a dem roaming all ova di island not apprehended, looting an killing. How are they gonna entice returnees to go back to Jamaica when dem know dat dem wont be safe. I know a few who went down an dem haffi lif up an get out! HOMELAND SECURITY is #1 priority in Jamaica, everyting else will fall in line... Trust mi!


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We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future : FDR [/qb]

..and after you lock up all these 'criminals',dou you think the numbers will be reduced?
How do you suggest they disarm the criminals with the guns
Do you think that it is the guns make the driminals?Do you think that bt removing them,the production of criminals will just stop?

[barosa]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by Dr.Dudd:

..and after you lock up all these 'criminals',dou you think the numbers will be reduced?
How do you suggest they disarm the criminals with the guns
Do you think that it is the guns make the driminals?Do you think that bt removing them,the production of criminals will just stop?


It is noteworthy that you acknowledge that there is a "production" of CRIMINALS in Jamaica... I will agree with you doc, that rounding up all known/suspected criminals and relieving them of their guns however they go about it, wont stop the PRODUCTION of criminals. But those removed or locked away wont be around creating the on-going mayhem. `This will provide the opportunity to concentrate on the production of those comming behind before they become hardened and professional.

We deal with each new production by rooting out and incarcerating the worst among the lot sending them away to be re-habilitated. With each production, the job for the Security Forces will become less onerous, less difficult until they get a handle on the situation. Being draconian with a "no-nonsense" approach while taking into consideration the vulnerability of the YOUNG who naturally feeds the production. A Government Program to be established for training these would be "criminals" would deter them from becomming fodder for the "criminal production" system.

Why do we have to have an ongoing "production of criminals" in Jamaica as if it was one of our sectors of our island production capacity as it is for agricultural/food and industrial productions. We really do not need this type of production and WE the people of Jamaica through our Government should STOP IT... How would I suggest the dis-arming of the criminals with guns?, I believe that would be best dealt with in another thread.

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We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future : FDR

[BroNey]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Feel free to educate us Dr.Dudd. That is the only way to help our people - with the knowledge of what is going on and possible options to remedy them.

[swingcat]

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If Jamaica wants American tourism dollars they better get rid of the gun and crime. There are many safe places to spend our $$$. What a shame, Jamaica may be the most beautiful Island in the world.

[swingcat]

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If the corrupt Jamaican gov't with PJ would cooperate with the US in the effort to rid the world of crack cocaine, I know the World would forgive much of the debt that Jamaica is servicing with interest only and crippling their economy