Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by lover of jamaica land:
[qb] If the corrupt Jamaican gov't with PJ would cooperate with the US in the effort to rid the world of crack cocaine, I know the World would forgive much of the debt that Jamaica is servicing with interest only and crippling their economy [/qb]

You really know what you talking about though?
What more cooperation you wany the Jamaican government do with the US.
The US won't even agree to forgive nothing but those debts that they can't collect. Forgice debt? Let me tell that it was the US that objected to other countries that was willing to forgive the debts of the third world. ...,and the same US that is still is dradibg it's feet,because some of the other countries don not want thes poor countries ton use the money they recieve to pay US debts. OS just talk a good talk as far as debt is concerned.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by lover of jamaica land:
[qb] If Jamaica wants American tourism dollars they better get rid of the gun and crime. There are many safe places to spend our $$$. What a shame, Jamaica may be the most beautiful Island in the world. [/qb]

Getv this straight,Jamaica will have guncrimes as lkong as the society creates people who have no real means of surviving but dishonesty.
It is simple There ius no ridding the country of gun crimes,as long as they are locked out oof the economy and have a brain.
Rven if they take wayt all the guns the will resort to other methods of killing like blow guns with poison darts. Or fish guns. Jamaican fishermen manufacture some of the most lethal fish guns there are. It is not about riffing the country of the guns,but giving the peoiple a legal means of making a living wage.
Not J2400 dollars (US$40)aweek either. Ther is no reason why in a country like Jamaica where many earn some of the highest incmes in the world the people that is used to create those incomes,should be asked to live like that withou any hope.
As stated in Maslows laws,these people will become violent and even without the guns they will develope more lethal weaponsto survive.

[swingcat]

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DR Dudd: You are 100% right. The US is trying to stop other countries from helping you with your debt. However they have made it clear as Colin Powell (born in Jamaica) said. "Jamaica government will not get any help until they make an effort to stop the illegal crack and cocaine trade. No body gets anything for nothing. If your government is not willing to crack down on the gun smuggling and drugs (not marijuana) they cannot see any reason to help a corrupt government that will not help its own people.
The US could be your best friend but the powers to be in Kingston like the corruption and it is up to you the people who vote to change the system.
Jamaica is losing lots of tourism of US dollars now and it is going to get alot worse if Jamaica does not do something to show the world they are trying to help their own people. Vote out the corruption. A new broom sweeps clean. Remember the US loves Jamaica. How does the current people in power show their affection for the US and all the dollars they spend on your Island. They show the US nothing but contempt and unwilling to change so that the people of Jamaica will always be supressed by the corruption of your government and the people will not vote them out.

[Dr.Dudd]

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That is pure propoganda.
Colin pPowell's words are not to be trusted. Just because he say something does not mean much
As for promise of aid. What about the millions they suppose to give to Africa for AIDS?
A promise is a comfort to a fool.
Everytime you talk about loosing tourist dollars. What tourist dollars Jamaica is loosing?
Tourist dollars won't make up fpor the savings they want Jamaica to forgo on their energy bill.
Th epeople of the US may love Jamaica,but the administration jus see it as another place with too many blacks,and as a result must mot prosper.
Did you know that all the other countries that re wealthier than Jamaica,the black population has a much lower level of proerty pwnership than Jamaica, as poor as it is?

Most people wko talk about how Jamaica was wealthy some time ago. I can tell them that the black people in Jamaica was never wealthier than.what is the use your country is rich if you live like a scabenger?
When jamaica got independence 43 years ago black literacy was less than 50%.


I will bet you that there are as much corruption in the US government and posssibly more,with all the billions that goes to companies owned by leaders.

[swingcat]

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DrDudd: I trust Powells words and the intentions of the US regarding helping Jamaica if they will change to a honest government and cooperate with Drug enforcement efforts. Your surely right there is corruption is the US. Your right Jamaica used to have a higher literacy rate.
Its up to you, vote out the government and put in place honorable people that are concerned about the regular guy getting an education etc. and Jamaica has made the first step.

As for US tourism dollars, make no mistake, it is going to go down and YES the Island will miss it.

[Dr.Dudd]

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TYou can trust who you want,but Jamaicans have a differrebt attitude,about trust. In Jamaica there is a saying that "The same knife that cut goat will cut sheep.
If they kie about what they are doing for others,they will lie anout every promise.
We nit that fool we may be poor,but we nlt that stupid to believe aby person who have been proven a liar.
About the tourist dollar. It would not be the first time and miss it or not some of us still believe in finding out own way,even if it means a lonely and difficult road. You lknoice you are the one talking about changing the government and replacing them with 'honest' men?
Well it is because we do not believe that honest men will necessarily stay honest when they get therew.
We really rather to put any person who is willing anf institute systems to keep them from getting out of hand. We really believe i checks and ballances,not angels and saints.

[swingcat]

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My very best hopes you are right.

[MsScotchBonnet1]

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Didnt you realise? You are paying for the prime minister and his cronies to travel to America and stay in ridiculously overpriced hotels just so they can do NOTHING

[pull_through]

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Hello All,

This is a very interesting topic. It has a lot of very strong arguments. It makes a lot of "NOISES" but has nothing concrete. It got really personal, never the less, I would like to put my 'two pennies' worth in.

1st some history. I was born in London, lived in JA for 21 yrs before returning to England. I must say it wa great living there. But it became extremely hard to earn a living. I left school with what could be considered a moderate education - 4 CXC's at C and above and 2 GCSE C and D, but could I get a job (1986).

Eventually I decided to join the prison services and immediately realised that there was so much corruption that a person had two choices. As the saying goes - you are either with me or against me. Corruption is unfortunately a by-product of the need to either survive or get rich (it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven).

If you eventually decide to join the masses of unscrupulus individuals and you end up losing out on your first deal, you feel hurt and small therefore the next thing is to fight back, literally. Once you start this circle then the next thing is to move up the pecking order. The more you exert your authority the more respect you can. You are not necessarily liked but you are respected and people will always do what you ask because they are afraid of the repraisals.

How do you break this circle?

Corruption was not limited to the prisoners. I refused to join this band of merry men and decided to leave. Well to be honest that was one of the reasons but not the main one.

I was not going to stoop to that level, and no I do not think I am better than the next person. I beleive in honesty. I would rather a person says to me they do not like me if that is the truth.

We need to teach our children and children's children that the best way to live is through honesty. Only then can Jamaica dig themselves out of the situation they are in.

[swingcat]

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Dr. Dudd: You don't have to trust the US to want to rid the Island of the violence; guns, and drugs. I would think you would want to do it for your own neighborhood

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Is this Jamaican Govt worth all our tax money?

Originally posted by lover of jamaica land:
[qb] Dr. Dudd: You don't have to trust the US to want to rid the Island of the violence; guns, and drugs. I would think you would want to do it for your own neighborhood [/qb]

Don't come here with your usual created story. You call yourself 'loverofjamaica land,but you cime here ti make all sort of accusation. That the reasin why Jamaic is in this position,is because it won;t accede to promises made by US representatives. IYou could not support your statement. So you cime back with a new slight of hand . this time suggesting that about trusing the US is not importamt to currect the problem.
You are the one that came here saying that if Jamaica did what the US anted,it's problem would have been solved.
You are the one that was complaining.
I just pointed out that pronises by the administration,to spen millions on AIDS ti Africa did not mayerialize. I also point out that this is not a uniuque situatiion.
This topic is about the use iof the Jamaican tax dollars. You are the one that highjacked it with your suggestion.
Now you want to further hijack the thread with your transfering your suggestion to me.

[swingcat]

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Dr. I am not transferring anything. I am saying if you don't trust (as you say) the US to do what they promise fine,. Yes I am complaining about the guns and crime and treatment of the women and chi8ldren. I am entitled to my opinion. If you do not want to try dealing with the most humane government on earth, stay the way you are. I remember a kinder loving Jamaica. You also have no idea what you are talking about regarding the AIDS program funded by the US. Also check yourself to see how much your Government refused to accept to fight aids in lieu of cooperating with the civilized world controlling drugs, crime and guns etc..Know your government before you criticize another.

[Dr.Dudd]

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The US don't have any ptoblem that you could use your concern to solve?
Like the treatment of blacks!!
Ot maybe AIDS in the minority demography?
What about health care availanillity in the innercirt/

Every body have them problems,but isntead of solving it with all the wealth 'humane'acts,they try to go around the world to tell others what they are not doing.

[swingcat]

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Dr. I do not agree but going around the world and telling friendly people what they are not doing could be very helpful.
Aids is treatable and in the US they make sure inner city black or whites get treatment. No ifs and or buts about it. The blacks and whites and all have an equal chance at a free education.
Yes we would like to go around the world and see that every human is given these opportunities. Not guns, drugs and crime. The US has alot of that also but still can work on the problems above. I wish you would get your facts straight.

Jamaica truly used to be the land of love. Not now. No way.

[swingcat]

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Dr Dudd: You say the reason Jamaica is in the position it is is they will not accede to the US before the US gives aid and comfort. It is a new generation on the Island than the one I grew up to love. Now Generation wants it cake and eat it too. Of course you must do something to get something. The new generation does not want to work for anything. Just thugs, criminals. Thieves. What happen to morals.?