Bruce goes go to China

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It is a statistical fact that Chinese Workers and almost every other Caribbean, Latin American and USA workers are more productive than Jamaicans. </div></div>


That`s probably because they dont expect white rum,or any other liquor every 5 minutes,jamaicans seem to do their best efforts under the influence of alcohol,...it`s a mystery how anything manage to get done in jamaica,everyone seems to perform best the more alcohol you give them. </div></div>

r it could be that prisoners in China do as they r told ,being forced unpaid workers, as do the populace given the history of official reaction to any bakchat...said ting fi South n Latin America where juntas and century long family holdings have likkle patience for human rights much less employee histrionics aka humane working conditions n liveable wage


well the US use to have UNions but we know dat Reagan brought dat country bak to the era of the China, S n Latin America bargaining rights


of course a likkle white rum can be seen as being betta fi u dan di coco leaves chewed on by the coffee reapers, etc in the L n South America to stave off their hunger pangs...but hey TG i can bet u seh u no undastan wat mi a seh

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It is a statistical fact that Chinese Workers and almost every other Caribbean, Latin American and USA workers are more productive than Jamaicans. </div></div>


That`s probably because they dont expect white rum,or any other liquor every 5 minutes,jamaicans seem to do their best efforts under the influence of alcohol,...it`s a mystery how anything manage to get done in jamaica,everyone seems to perform best the more alcohol you give them. </div></div>

r it could be that prisoners in China do as they r told ,being forced unpaid workers, as do the populace given the history of official reaction to any bakchat...said ting fi South n Latin America where juntas and century long family holdings have likkle patience for human rights much less employee histrionics aka humane working conditions n liveable wage


well the US use to have UNions but we know dat Reagan brought dat country bak to the era of the China, S n Latin America bargaining rights


of course a likkle white rum can be seen as being betta fi u dan di coco leaves chewed on by the coffee reapers, etc in the L n South America to stave off their hunger pangs...but hey TG i can bet u seh u no undastan wat mi a seh </div></div>

I do overstand you are talking nonsense either that or you are in your cups.

According to the Jamaica Productivity Report 1972-2007 Jamaicans are one of the most unproductive set of workers in the region.
So based on your explanation it likely that every other nation enjoy some unfair advantage against Jamaica because they employ the use of forced labour, drugs and other forms of coercion.
Of course the fact that Jamaica is also a country Human Rights is a cuss word does not factor into your explanation when making the comparisons.

Based on the State's long history of the use of force and violence against Jamaican citizens, using your measure, it would be much easier to coerce Jamaicans into working 24/7, yet the converse is true?

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

i dont drink but i could say that it is a given dat u wud not understand di underlying tenet of forced labour an y u cannot compare said to the Jamaican scenario...

an Jcans can be said to underproduce given the dearth of actual facilities of production there...afta all, service industry is juss dat...u service, u no produce

well maybe in di renta ting couple babies produce but in real life work, aint nutten going awn

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i dont drink but i could say that it is a given dat u wud not understand di underlying tenet of forced labour an y u cannot compare said to the Jamaican scenario...</div></div>

So you are maintaining that China build its economy on forced labour. I don't think you overstand China.
In any case our problems is not only against China. Against all-comers we are at or near the bottom of the pile in terms of productivity.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">an Jcans can be said to underproduce given the dearth of actual facilities of production there...afta all, service industry is juss dat...u service, u no produce</div></div>

Jamaica so-called Service Industry only came into force since the 90s, before were we were a quasi-Agrarian, Semi-Industrialized Economy. In any case all inputs and outputs are measurable including that of serviced based economies.
The productivity report covered the period between 1972-2007 when we still had factories and a mixed-economy.

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

TG even di EMperor who united modern day China used force labour to build the Great Wall of China....Communism has not changed the methods...people during my guy time , were sent to reeducation camps to do forced manual labour because he said they were juss interllects and a detriment to the new China....

wen people are told wat to grow n wich commune to be alligned wid , wat portion to be given to the State etc, wat is dat...

wen the current crop of 'modernisation' started and people's lands were summarily taken fi new buildings n dem said people displaced n dem come to di big city to protest, wat happen

wen factories producing for the great blue M have workers housed away from family, in dorms, in inhumane conditions, working horrendous shifts all unda pressure to not protest cause u have a billion behind u to replace u, wat is dat?


wen prisoners, wedda political r not r forced to work n mi no mean mek license plate like here in di States, wat is dat

fortunes were made during slavery due to the said principle...if u dont have to pay and provide on supposed free market terms to ur labour source ,mu mek pure profit...n said force is dispensable n disposable


so how can u use dat as a banner of economic parity?


came bak to say that the attitude towards workers is so inculcated dat they have taken it wid dem even wen dem run off...beg u read <span style="font-weight: bold"> The Snake Head..an epic taled of the Chinatown underworld and the American Dream</span>

it is the telling of the true incident of dat ship dat banked n brought to the open the traffiking dat was going on n the scale of said...

to this day the Fujian province in China is populated wid ole folks and the American born babies sent bak to be cared for until dem reach a certain age..for the first time inthe history of China , old folks home were built dere

that whole stroy shows how forced labour is such a pawt of the way of life

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> before were we were a quasi-Agrarian, Semi-Industrialized Economy. .
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wow aint dat a surprise...dis sound like China dont except dem was full scale agrarian...Mao , was it, said the workers were king and the educated the fools...dat is y him sent dem to communes and reeducation camps etc...

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The productivity report covered the period between 1972-2007 when we still had factories and a mixed-economy. </div></div>

and China was awakening yet again in the post Mao era...trying to play ketch up trying to get a jockeying position...

now i am trying to memba wen Nixon went ovah deh...will chek afta i post dis an come correk it...wat was the Chinese economy in the 70s and how was its workforce employed....

in Jamaica, the factories we had , wat were they producing? during the time period u highlight, if memory serves me right, we were trying to hold awn to di few tings we had, given <span style="font-style: italic">THE</span> backlash...even widdin dat period we went the freezone way and our workers watched the Hitachis ( a so de van name) carry di Oriental workers from the factories dat were built wid dem govament money supposedly fi help yaad..notice mi neva seh Chinese, mi seh Oriental cause it was up in di air wich country was dere at any given time


in the same time period in China u had dat likkle hickup wid one man versus a tank ...it have anodda bigga wud fi di Square whe it happen...displaced workers from the country side were involved aldoh most like to juss memba di students

get mi drift

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Once more, Mao apologized for his mistakes: &quot;I myself had not foreseen that as soon as the Beijing University poster was broadcast, the whole country would be thrown into turmoil…Since it was I who caused the havoc, it is understandable if you have bitter words for me.&quot;

But the apology didn’t end the revolt. Again, Leys:

The smoldering discontent that had accumulated over the years just beneath the surface, unseen by Mao, now flared up. At the turn of the year, Shanghai workers exploded in a rash of strikes and agitation that were echoed around the country. They raised quite different issues and not at all &quot;cultural,&quot; <span style="font-weight: bold">issues of wages, conditions, and the right to independent trade unions, all the issues of the &quot;economism&quot; that Mao had denounced for years</span>. This time, Mao did not retreat defensively. In the third week of January, the army was ordered to take over the administration of the country. The army was to take control of factories, villages, institutions of finance and commerce, of learning, Party organs, administrative and mass organizations.

One commentator describes the mushrooming of the &quot;self-organization of workers&quot; which &quot;spread like a plague all over China.&quot;

What had begun with the organization of &quot;contract workers&quot; (seasonal workers employed on a temporary basis) in 1966, spread to the whole working class in the following years. In some places, autonomy and indirect control of the work-group level was temporarily transformed into autonomy at the factory level. <span style="font-weight: bold">It took the army two years–from 1968 to 1970–to clear the way for the return of the Party to the factories.</span>

All through the 1970s there have been outbursts of trouble, very often with roots in the factional struggles of the Cultural Revolution.
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<span style="font-weight: bold"> nice read if u so inclined...u know is mi faverite ting dat so here is the full ting</span> http://www.cul-studies.com/english/c...0509/2636.html

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TG even di EMperor who united modern day China used force labour to build the Great Wall of China....Communism has not changed the methods...people during my guy time , were sent to reeducation camps to do forced manual labour because he said they were juss interllects and a detriment to the new China....

wen people are told wat to grow n wich commune to be alligned wid , wat portion to be given to the State etc, wat is dat...

wen the current crop of 'modernisation' started and people's lands were summarily taken fi new buildings n dem said people displaced n dem come to di big city to protest, wat happen

wen factories producing for the great blue M have workers housed away from family, in dorms, in inhumane conditions, working horrendous shifts all unda pressure to not protest cause u have a billion behind u to replace u, wat is dat?


wen prisoners, wedda political r not r forced to work n mi no mean mek license plate like here in di States, wat is dat

fortunes were made during slavery due to the said principle...if u dont have to pay and provide on supposed free market terms to ur labour source ,mu mek pure profit...n said force is dispensable n disposable


so how can u use dat as a banner of economic parity?</div></div>

Your narrative above is nothing but an inaccurate, cheery picking of few events and placing them completely out of time.
In any case never claimed China and Jamaica is on parity. China Great Wall was constructed centuries ago and Jamaica productivity report covers the period 1972-2007.

It was not <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">I</span> who claimed that Chinese workers were more productive than Jamaicans.

<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">It was</span> a lady calling to Barbara Gloudon programme who said one Chiney can do ten Jamaicans work.
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">It was</span> Omar Davies who said the Chinese are more productive than Jamaicans.
<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">It was</span> the Jamaica Productivity Report 1977-2007

These are real and quatifiable not some fanciful tale filled with inaccuracies.

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

Ah sah..heh heh heh

btw weh was di police training school wen u wen tru.. bin meaning to ax

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah sah..heh heh heh

btw weh was di police training school wen u wen tru.. bin meaning to ax </div></div>

How does this come into it?
Let me answer anyway....see where this is going.
It was the 80s I went to Port Royal. We also did two weeks of Para-Military training at Twickneham Park. Two days of Tear Gas and Riot training at Hellshire/Green Bay.
Oh I was stationed at Spanish Town with (s)Adams (Yes the Renato DeCordova Valentino Adams. Soh all these years when all kinds of folks running up them mout mi just tan so bak a laugh, because a lot of folks here are nothing but fakes who love to talk and pontificate about stuff they have zero knowledge about and really don't care to learn the facts about ....juss love taak.

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ah sah..heh heh heh

btw weh was di police training school wen u wen tru.. bin meaning to ax </div></div>

How does this come into it?
Let me answer anyway....see where this is going.
It was the 80s I went to Port Royal. We also did two weeks of Para-Military training at Twickneham Park. Two days of Tear Gas and Riot training at Hellshire/Green Bay.
Oh I was stationed at Spanish Town with (s)Adams (Yes the Renato DeCordova Valentino Adams. Soh all these years when all kinds of folks running up them mout mi just tan so bak a laugh, <span style="font-weight: bold">because a lot of folks here are nothing but fakes who love to talk and pontificate about stuff they have zero knowledge about and really don't care to learn the facts about ....juss love taak.</span> </div></div>

come now, no be so hard pon uself...we tek u wid us said way....afta all is a yaad trait we all exhibit at times

[jah_yout]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

i hate to say it - but

the chinese and the j]cans have a completely different frame of mind right now...
i've never been to china but i watch chinese ppl roun di place from merkkka to germany...
i observe the work ethic while the jamaican dj's preach material wealth &amp; easy money...and the polticians preach pretty much the same thing...
chairman mao with all his faults was still light years ahead of our current crop of j'can polly trixters...
in any case i urge j'cans to learn mandarin &amp; cantonese &amp; watch whaaduh happen in another 30 years


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[Tuff Gong]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....afta all is a yaad trait we all exhibit at times </div></div>
Don't know that telling lies and fake is yaad trait. Ii might be for you but not for I.
Where I come from when wi a reason yu better have the facts, otherwise!

[evanovitch]

Re: Bruce goes go to China

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....afta all is a yaad trait we all exhibit at times </div></div>
Don't know that telling lies and fake is yaad trait. Ii might be for you but not for I.
Where I come from when wi a reason yu better have the facts, otherwise! </div></div>

but u seh ur 'facts' espoused above come from Omar, Ms Gloudon n a productivity report so dem is stamped in blood as far as u r concern

YET mine is weh mi get from here n dere, to paraphrase, n is juss dat...info mi get from sowhere

one day, yaadie n politicians r lazy, tiefs n liars...ergo it have to be a trait since dem is yaadie n all dem do is lie , tief etc

ur reasoning is neva on the same plane ...it depend pon di airport it tek off pon di day u ready fi fly it