Re: US issues stinging report on "Dudus" extradition
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: andronian2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Letting the courts decide (or not getting involved in the first place) would be a good way to wash your hands of this mess if you're a PM. </div></div>
This talk about letting the courts decide got me thinking. On the surface, there <span style="font-weight: bold">seems</span> to be some deference to judicial independence, but I think this is all a plan to send off Dudus, to the States. Implicit in this push by some, it seems to me, is the assumption that the courts will rule in favour of the US. Opponents of the government would rejoice on scoring some political points, and even those allies of the government will get to say " see, the PM stood up against the mighty Uncle Sam, he did his best, but the courts have decided and we have to respect the independence of the court." And in this way, as the poster said above, the government would wash its hands of the matter.
But would the court decide in the US's favour? I cannot think of any court on the face of this earth that conducts its affairs with the utmost integrity that would rule for the US in <span style="font-weight: bold">this particular circumstance</span>. The court would be asked to decide if evidence obtained by illegal means by a foreign power, without the consent of Jamaican authorities (law enforcement or a Jamaican judge with jurisdiction on these matters) should be acceptable in this extradition request. For a judge with integrity, the answer is an unqualified NO! Unless there are some who have reason to believe that the court will rule - <span style="font-weight: bold">in violation of the constitution</span>. I would go as far as to say that any judge who rules against the Attorney General in this matter should not only be removed from the bench, but prosecuted on corruption charges.
I'm wondering, why is this so hard for the PNP to understand, or is because they are more interested in political grandstanding? And the PSOJ ought to know better; their latest outburst smacks of hypocrisy. We should note here, that if things were reversed and this was an extradition request made by Jamaica to the US, with <span style="font-weight: bold">illegally obtained evidence</span>, the Attorney General, Eric Holder, would probably put this document in a 'safe place' - in the event that he runs out of toilet paper. In American jurisprudence, this request would have been easily shot down under the Exclusionary Rules of the Bill of Rights. And Jamaica, with it's laws derived from the British legal system (on which many of America's legal principles are also based, BTW) has its version of the "Exclusionary Rules".
Moreover, according to the Extradition Treaty between Jamaica and the US, it is the Attorneys General of both countries who have the responsibility of reviewing extradition requests, not the courts. So, the attorney General of JA is acting well within the terms of the extradition treaty. </div></div>
There is obviously a question of whether what the US has done to acquire evidence amounts to spying.
Especially in view of the Observer's claim that Tivoli Gardens iw under satellite and other surveillance which may or may not fall under the MLAT.
However, if a court would be unlikely to rule that such evidence is permissible it begs the question of why the PM wouldn't let the court rule rather than give the appearance of subverting the process (even if it is not so in fact).
Obviously, I don't know the contents and provisions of the treaty but if you can get the same results with less controversy, why not?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: andronian2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Letting the courts decide (or not getting involved in the first place) would be a good way to wash your hands of this mess if you're a PM. </div></div>
This talk about letting the courts decide got me thinking. On the surface, there <span style="font-weight: bold">seems</span> to be some deference to judicial independence, but I think this is all a plan to send off Dudus, to the States. Implicit in this push by some, it seems to me, is the assumption that the courts will rule in favour of the US. Opponents of the government would rejoice on scoring some political points, and even those allies of the government will get to say " see, the PM stood up against the mighty Uncle Sam, he did his best, but the courts have decided and we have to respect the independence of the court." And in this way, as the poster said above, the government would wash its hands of the matter.
But would the court decide in the US's favour? I cannot think of any court on the face of this earth that conducts its affairs with the utmost integrity that would rule for the US in <span style="font-weight: bold">this particular circumstance</span>. The court would be asked to decide if evidence obtained by illegal means by a foreign power, without the consent of Jamaican authorities (law enforcement or a Jamaican judge with jurisdiction on these matters) should be acceptable in this extradition request. For a judge with integrity, the answer is an unqualified NO! Unless there are some who have reason to believe that the court will rule - <span style="font-weight: bold">in violation of the constitution</span>. I would go as far as to say that any judge who rules against the Attorney General in this matter should not only be removed from the bench, but prosecuted on corruption charges.
I'm wondering, why is this so hard for the PNP to understand, or is because they are more interested in political grandstanding? And the PSOJ ought to know better; their latest outburst smacks of hypocrisy. We should note here, that if things were reversed and this was an extradition request made by Jamaica to the US, with <span style="font-weight: bold">illegally obtained evidence</span>, the Attorney General, Eric Holder, would probably put this document in a 'safe place' - in the event that he runs out of toilet paper. In American jurisprudence, this request would have been easily shot down under the Exclusionary Rules of the Bill of Rights. And Jamaica, with it's laws derived from the British legal system (on which many of America's legal principles are also based, BTW) has its version of the "Exclusionary Rules".
Moreover, according to the Extradition Treaty between Jamaica and the US, it is the Attorneys General of both countries who have the responsibility of reviewing extradition requests, not the courts. So, the attorney General of JA is acting well within the terms of the extradition treaty. </div></div>
There is obviously a question of whether what the US has done to acquire evidence amounts to spying.
Especially in view of the Observer's claim that Tivoli Gardens iw under satellite and other surveillance which may or may not fall under the MLAT.
However, if a court would be unlikely to rule that such evidence is permissible it begs the question of why the PM wouldn't let the court rule rather than give the appearance of subverting the process (even if it is not so in fact).
Obviously, I don't know the contents and provisions of the treaty but if you can get the same results with less controversy, why not?
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