map of volatile areas of kingston

**mountaingal** · 09-11-2006, 08:13 AM

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this is common knowledge for any kingston resident i imagine but it's the first map of its kind that i've seen on the net. i figured i'd do everyone a favour and let them know since i was once asked by a jamerican which streets he should avoid. i was like.. amm... that could take forever to list out... pictorally works better.

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so what criteria did you use to determine which colour would be applied to what area, draino? and, did you also write that lovely essay above the map?

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MG, a lot of this is common knowledge for a kingstonian ...draino just took the time to put it together.

there might be some minor quibbling as to the designations..but i believe that the overall picture is accurate.

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sure...just wanted to make certain that it was a subjective presentation, rather than one based on a particular set of statistics (e.g., crimes committed in the area in a particular period). it was interesting to seed references to the appearances of homes as an indicator of the dangerousness of the neighbourhood.

**mountaingal** · 09-11-2006, 08:18 AM

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re: mountaingal's question

... cosigned. yea, the "essay" is mine. it's more like a "post" though.

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how did you get the following information from your post?

The residents of the garrisons, ghettoes, and "bad areas" are all by no means innocent bystanders. They are certainly aware of what the gangs of their communities do to others. As long as the blood spilling takes place elsewhere and the spoils of war are equitably and fairly distributed among them, they will turn a blind eye to the atrocities. As long as the don continues to feed them and send their children to school, they couldn't care less how he provides for them.

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Like the don himself, they are allowed to handpick any number of young women, even as young as 13, to be their sexual partners and so-called "wives." A girl is known to be ready "fram xi av iheer pan har pumpum" [once she begins to grow pubic hair].

**Morpheous** · 09-11-2006, 09:14 AM

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I hear you on the city thing but don't see many apartments in NY city like the way I described my sis apt back in kingston. There are other apt around kingston but not all have such drastic security.

I mean guard dogs and security patrol, that's a bit much. Are they keeping residence in or keeping undesirables out? Still sis recons it's necessary. She told me she sold her house to live in the inprisoned conditions because she feels more safe??? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Remember that houses in Jamaica come with prison bars... erm burglar bars as standard. We have become accustomed to that which seem crazy and over the top by others abroad, but dung a yawd a suh it run. Even doctors, lawyers and businessmen carry guns to work and play everyday. Who next, teachers, nurses and firemen? [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70361-embarassed.gif[/img]

**CeaBee** · 09-11-2006, 09:54 AM

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I know a couple people too that have sold their really nice homes, to buy townhouses....with security..

In fact gated communities are the latest ting now... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

is it necessary? I guess nobody noh wah fine out the hard way if it necessary or not...

ETA: thinking of this now, just before i left jamaica, a family friend had her car stolen. Just as she pulled up in her driveway, a man jumped out of a waiting car and told her to get the ______ out of the car, and drove away. She was apparently trailed home by these men.

A few years ago, the same thing happened to another family friend in her driveway...luckily she was able to pull her son quickly out of the carseat before the car was taken.

Another family friend, was getting into her car in her driveway and was accosted by three young men..who tried to push her into the car and drive away with her. Luckily she screamed and a neighbour scared them off.

Bwoy mi just depressing miself now, mek mi stop.

**julie*mango** · 09-11-2006, 10:23 AM

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Q...go look again...it is not labelled but the Grants Pen area is in red

**draino** · 09-11-2006, 11:22 AM

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see how fast people turned against zeeks when they realised "di money naw share right."

**Sinco01** · 09-11-2006, 02:10 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

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I've lived in Hughenden till '84 and it wasn't "bad" ..
Marverly had some "tuffists" hanging around .. but we played ball all round deh Pembroke Hall - Duhaney Park - WaterHouse - Olympic Way - walk through most ah dem day or night ... but mostly day ... and not during election year

WhitHall Gardens youths always had their differences wid 100 Red Hills Rd - Casssava Piece & StandPipe used to dont know about now
and dsi was a place mi know well considering seh mi used to live ah Havendale after mi movev from Hughenden ... Never like to walk up WhiteHall Ave ah night time ... more time me walk round Red Hills Rd and guh up

Arlene Gardens - MeadowBrook were always solid middle class areas

oh .. South CAmp Rd is mis labled too .. but basically the map gives a good picture of troublesome places

**Gen** · 09-11-2006, 02:20 PM

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well back in the 70's driving through cassava piece shortcut fi get to Norbrook....mi uncle always a tell wi fi duck if we hear gunshot.... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

aye sah....my people..my people... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70394-bawlout.gif[/img]

**jah_yout** · 09-11-2006, 03:22 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

[/ QUOTE ] now u talking bout some of the places close to where I used to live a kingston..
Washington Gardens was a very good area to live..
Mostly hardworking families did deh deh..
in fact, quite a few of my friends used to get off the bus stops there..
No shootouts ever if i remember well..
Marvarly..
Rings a bell..
Is this beside Duhaney park on the left side off the Duhaney blvd..
or is it near by the Cremo Factory?
White garden, musse did come bout after me leff..dat had to be new, as me never hear bout dat..
and me noh tink seh Hughenden did bad neither

come to tink bout it, Marley noh did closer to Pembroke Hall..
now dat place me did know..
and none of dat never bad neither..
In fact, me member when most of them places was no houses, and new houses did just a build up..

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duhaney park & washington gardens i wouldn't consider bad areas--until election time that was...

hughenden wasn't bad area

**jah_yout** · 09-11-2006, 03:26 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

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I've lived in Hughenden till '84 and it wasn't "bad" ..
Marverly had some "tuffists" hanging around .. but we played ball all round deh Pembroke Hall - Duhaney Park - WaterHouse - Olympic Way - walk through most ah dem day or night ... but mostly day ... and not during election year

WhitHall Gardens youths always had their differences wid 100 Red Hills Rd - Casssava Piece & StandPipe used to dont know about now
and dsi was a place mi know well considering seh mi used to live ah Havendale after mi movev from Hughenden ... Never like to walk up WhiteHall Ave ah night time ... more time me walk round Red Hills Rd and guh up

Arlene Gardens - MeadowBrook were always solid middle class areas

oh .. South CAmp Rd is mis labled too .. but basically the map gives a good picture of troublesome places

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i'm pretty sure you didn't just walk through waterhouse during election time...there was gunfire right round the clock...i mean non-stop

**jah_yout** · 09-11-2006, 03:30 PM

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Sherlock Crescent tun bad...
Now dats funny...
Me member when Sherlock Crescent houses did just a build..and street never build up. a did just dust fe street..
cus dem build up Duhaney park from the front, and den go back down to the mountain...
When me did deh deh, me live fe see Duhaney park primary school build ..(our home, is still presently on that block)
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big up duhaney park primary...mi alma mater [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

you remember the big football field whe dem used to have matches...hemingsway crescent? browning avenue?

mi used to see police inna jeep run up inna certain house wid dem big long gun a election time

**Hopyoneson** · 09-11-2006, 04:10 PM

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It was the people from riveton city who walked into washington Garden at election time and caused trouble. And rob the people dem too, is mostly professionals lived in Washington Gardens when I was growing up, police, nurse, teacher, business people, musicians, etc and it was your typical JA neigborhood had every race under the sun and england and american returness so is not noh bruk pockit place. Nobody never try rob mi yet. up the street in Riverton dem rob mi fada juice truck, and him did tek time off from Cable and wireless fi help try grow this side business, man come back shirt collar tear off and pocket cut off, dem out cigarette in a the driver face, and rob dem, yes riverton city dwellers dem do it, now is riveron meadows but a who would a live in a dat deh thiefing place, wid waterhouse one bicyle ride away.

**Sinco01** · 09-11-2006, 04:17 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

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I've lived in Hughenden till '84 and it wasn't "bad" ..
Marverly had some "tuffists" hanging around .. but we played ball all round deh Pembroke Hall - Duhaney Park - WaterHouse - Olympic Way - walk through most ah dem day or night ... but mostly day ... and not during election year

WhitHall Gardens youths always had their differences wid 100 Red Hills Rd - Casssava Piece & StandPipe used to dont know about now
and dsi was a place mi know well considering seh mi used to live ah Havendale after mi movev from Hughenden ... Never like to walk up WhiteHall Ave ah night time ... more time me walk round Red Hills Rd and guh up

Arlene Gardens - MeadowBrook were always solid middle class areas

oh .. South CAmp Rd is mis labled too .. but basically the map gives a good picture of troublesome places

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i'm pretty sure you didn't just walk through waterhouse during election time...there was gunfire right round the clock...i mean non-stop

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not during election year ... yuh kno wha .. mek mi tel yuh wha happen tp mi mek stop walk road a night time ..

election year '80 i believe .. mi have one girlfriend live ah Water House .. suh would screechi an chek fe har more time .. some time mi ress deh more time mi walk back up to Molynes and cross the bridge .. now if not election .. mi would cross the gully and walk up thru Marverly or dowm Washington Blvd ..
now dis being election year and every night man get "tire noose" and few bodies were found in that area too .. plus man pon di gully wid dem 16 ah mek sure nuttin nuh come cross ..
so dis night mi decide fe go home it wasn't too late bout 9:00 pm .. when mi leff her house and look round de cawna towards Olympic Way .. out deh dark .. mi ah wand if mi fe turn back .. but mi seh .. well mek mi walk gwaan and si whe dem set up watch ..
suh mi walk out to Olympic Way .. nutten yet .. but it black .. no street light ....
mi staat walk towards Molynes Rd ... den mi si de light ..
de man dem pon watch ah play domino pon a table wid ah lamp pon it ..
mi si 4 man roun de table one youth wid him back turn to de road ah watch de game .. anodda yout roun de side ah di house wid some kinda ah long sintin eena him hand ... well mi gaan too far fe tun back now .. so mi ah try screechi pass dem pon de odder side under the shade/shadow from di tree..
mi almost pass dem when one yout from round de side look up and my direction .. at about the same time mi haffi strp eena one clearing between 2 trees ...
"ah who dat?"

"whe .. whe .. whe him deh"?

"look like subaddi cross deh suh"

"whe"...?

by that time i was off and running .. good ting mi use to do track..

all mi hear behind was like about 50 dozen footsteps ah tear up di Ave behind mi

"whe him deh" ?
"yuh dsi him" ?

dem mussi did think seh a ghost dem si ..
for dem neva si nor hear mi dat night ..
iwas gone wid de wind ...
i draw the cawna pon Molynes and cross di bridge and Washington Blvd before dem spit hit grung..

once mi reach Petes' mi tek time walk guh home ..
di fust and last time in life mi run 2 mile flat out .. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

but life goes on .. give thanks [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70384-praying.gif[/img]

**7777** · 09-11-2006, 04:32 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

[/ QUOTE ] now u talking bout some of the places close to where I used to live a kingston..
Washington Gardens was a very good area to live..
Mostly hardworking families did deh deh..
in fact, quite a few of my friends used to get off the bus stops there..
No shootouts ever if i remember well..
Marvarly..
Rings a bell..
Is this beside Duhaney park on the left side off the Duhaney blvd..
or is it near by the Cremo Factory?
White garden, musse did come bout after me leff..dat had to be new, as me never hear bout dat..
and me noh tink seh Hughenden did bad neither

come to tink bout it, Marley noh did closer to Pembroke Hall..
now dat place me did know..
and none of dat never bad neither..
In fact, me member when most of them places was no houses, and new houses did just a build up..

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duhaney park & washington gardens i wouldn't consider bad areas--until election time that was...

hughenden wasn't bad area

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things have really changed.
me member when dem area did so nice, that nat even puss did fraid fe walk..
Man we use to stroll de bulivard, a sunday eveling time, with me fadda, and stop at many of him police bredren dem yards..
a did nice place dem ya man..
and quiet..
so till it almost *boring*.. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/704555_dwl.gif[/img]

(no wonder me used to love go a country and hang out with me cusin dem...
a dem coulda have fun and roam all over inna de bush..and tek goat and cow a pasture.. what freedom.. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70371-jump.gif[/img]
no soh a Kingston..
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diffrant lifestyles..

**jah_yout** · 09-11-2006, 04:35 PM

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Tuff yu mean dem woulda try censor ???? Nawwww...... [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Seriously as a country bwoy mi fraid a Killsome like puss..

Tuffy could you comment you are my source of wisdom on this modern day sodom and gomorrah.. :::

on the patch of red to the North of Cornaught avenue i beleive... a typo ????

How come Marvely is a no go but not Hughenden ???? Mi always tink af dem as one !!!!

How come there is a salient between Marvely and White Garden ???

Washington Gardens thought that was where the family got bun up ??? And is not a red area ????

Allman town not pure red ????

Bellvue in yellow thats amusing !!!!

Again that incongrougs batch of red Medallion hall is that a typo..

Don suppose you could demonstrate where the garrisons are and who own them.. Like forinstance where the 84th most important woman in the world consitutency is ????

Or the constituency of the /mp who boasts he never spent a night among his voeters are ?????

I also wonder what percentange of people live in the Red or yellow parts..

And no one tell me that there is no go areas every where!!!! Mi ah country bwoy.. Fraid ah Killsome till mi dead!!!!

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I've lived in Hughenden till '84 and it wasn't "bad" ..
Marverly had some "tuffists" hanging around .. but we played ball all round deh Pembroke Hall - Duhaney Park - WaterHouse - Olympic Way - walk through most ah dem day or night ... but mostly day ... and not during election year

WhitHall Gardens youths always had their differences wid 100 Red Hills Rd - Casssava Piece & StandPipe used to dont know about now
and dsi was a place mi know well considering seh mi used to live ah Havendale after mi movev from Hughenden ... Never like to walk up WhiteHall Ave ah night time ... more time me walk round Red Hills Rd and guh up

Arlene Gardens - MeadowBrook were always solid middle class areas

oh .. South CAmp Rd is mis labled too .. but basically the map gives a good picture of troublesome places

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i'm pretty sure you didn't just walk through waterhouse during election time...there was gunfire right round the clock...i mean non-stop

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not during election year ... yuh kno wha .. mek mi tel yuh wha happen tp mi mek stop walk road a night time ..

election year '80 i believe .. mi have one girlfriend live ah Water House .. suh would screechi an chek fe har more time .. some time mi ress deh more time mi walk back up to Molynes and cross the bridge .. now if not election .. mi would cross the gully and walk up thru Marverly or dowm Washington Blvd ..
now dis being election year and every night man get "tire noose" and few bodies were found in that area too .. plus man pon di gully wid dem 16 ah mek sure nuttin nuh come cross ..
so dis night mi decide fe go home it wasn't too late bout 9:00 pm .. when mi leff her house and look round de cawna towards Olympic Way .. out deh dark .. mi ah wand if mi fe turn back .. but mi seh .. well mek mi walk gwaan and si whe dem set up watch ..
suh mi walk out to Olympic Way .. nutten yet .. but it black .. no street light ....
mi staat walk towards Molynes Rd ... den mi si de light ..
de man dem pon watch ah play domino pon a table wid ah lamp pon it ..
mi si 4 man roun de table one youth wid him back turn to de road ah watch de game .. anodda yout roun de side ah di house wid some kinda ah long sintin eena him hand ... well mi gaan too far fe tun back now .. so mi ah try screechi pass dem pon de odder side under the shade/shadow from di tree..
mi almost pass dem when one yout from round de side look up and my direction .. at about the same time mi haffi strp eena one clearing between 2 trees ...
"ah who dat?"

"whe .. whe .. whe him deh"?

"look like subaddi cross deh suh"

"whe"...?

by that time i was off and running .. good ting mi use to do track..

all mi hear behind was like about 50 dozen footsteps ah tear up di Ave behind mi

"whe him deh" ?
"yuh dsi him" ?

dem mussi did think seh a ghost dem si ..
for dem neva si nor hear mi dat night ..
iwas gone wid de wind ...
i draw the cawna pon Molynes and cross di bridge and Washington Blvd before dem spit hit grung..

once mi reach Petes' mi tek time walk guh home ..
di fust and last time in life mi run 2 mile flat out .. [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

but life goes on .. give thanks [img]/forums/images/graemlins/70384-praying.gif[/img]

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glad seh yuh live fi tell bout it rude bway...
mi a tell yuh; waterhouse did dread iya...
i remember being a youtman but still being aware that i was in the dreaded 'jungle' when i went to jungle with my cousin...you could just feel the vibes from you were there...the tenement yards & the big complexes i wasn't used to seeing because i was from waterhouse, duhaney park, washington gardens & portmore...1980 was the first election i remembered (also the worst)...it seems that was really when j-a got divided along party lines & neighborhoods...bout red & green...bout fist & v...
pure wickedness did gwaan and dem politician lucky seh i man neva have di power fi hold a tribunal and bring dem to justice [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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