A LONG list of Pres Obama's accomplishment (with Citations)

[Tuff Gong]

And I don't think your situation is the same as the poor from the hispanic speaking countries. They are clearly a people that need to be taken care of. They are a burden.?

The Hispanic immigrants are more of a help to the USA that a burden. Like i said immigrants generally provide services at the lowest rate, pay the highest and gets treated the worst.

I'm not against immigration. I'm against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION/INVASION OF THE USA. Jamaicans wouldn't put up with illegals invading Jamaica, why should Americans accept it in the USA?

Yes Jamaicans nor Mexicans would not support illegal or even legal immigration to their country, but the 11 million folks here did not come here by sheer accident and it is certainly not Barry's fault.

Neither you nor I knows why each individual immigrant comes to the USA. There are various reasons, including historical.
We can start with for instance the annexing of half of North Mexico. The illegal deportation to Mexico of USA Citizens of Mexican heritage. The fact that the USA Government support policies that encourage the use of force against poor people in most Central and South American Jurisdictions.

[lonewolf]

wonder why the republican governors of the border states (texas, arizona) won't put the national guard on the border

Supreme court ruled states can't lawfully enforce immigration issues and border control. Federal government is the only entity that has jurisdiction over unlawful invasion of the country.

The president could stop this, but he hasn't.

[Tuff Gong]

Supreme court ruled states can't lawfully enforce immigration issues and border control. Federal government is the only entity that has jurisdiction over unlawful invasion of the country.

The president could stop this, but he hasn't.

SCOTUS is correct. The POTUS has done his best to deport illegals like no other President has.

[lonewolf]

The Hispanic immigrants are more of a help to the USA that a burden. Like i said immigrants generally provide services at the lowest rate, pay the highest and gets treated the worst.

They are a help to cheap a$$ employers and big business, and that's it. They are exploited. They keep wages low for poor and middle class Americans. Therefore, they are the working class American's enemy.

Yes Jamaicans nor Mexicans would not support illegal or even legal immigration to their country, but the 11 million folks here did not come here by sheer accident and it is certainly not Barry's fault.

Oh, HELL NO, it's not an accident. It's was a plan for cheap labor...and Bush is more responsible than Obama, but Obama is still at fault for not hammering out an immigration policy and enforcing same and securing the borders. That's his job.

Neither you nor I knows why each individual immigrant comes to the USA. There are various reasons, including historical.

That's true. But, that does not over rule the immigration laws of a country. There is a reason laws exist.

I need a passport to enter Jamaica, Mexico or return to the USA. I am detained and I must prove who I am at every border. But illegals don't? What's wrong with this picture?


And, I appreciate you sharing your personal story with me. I do have empathy for you and others in your position.
I sincerely hope your life is good and things work out for the better. No decent human being wants to see another suffer regardless of laws and circumstances.

The fact that the USA Government support policies that encourage the use of force against poor people in most Central and South American Jurisdictions.

There is truth to that statement. I don't disagree.

[Tuff Gong]

They are a help to cheap a$$ employers and big business, and that's it. They are exploited. They keep wages low for poor and middle class Americans. Therefore, they are the working class American's enemy.

Yes we are exploited, but we most certainly are not the enemy of the working class Americans.
In every experiment where States have made it more difficult for Illegal to get jobs and the get housing, there has been no rush of American Citizens to fill those jobs and houses that illegals have been forced out of.

[Tuff Gong]

...and Bush is more responsible than Obama, but Obama is still at fault for not hammering out an immigration policy and enforcing same and securing the borders. That's his job..

LOL my boss is a dripping Anti-Obama, Right Wing, Southern Baptist, Open Carry, Republican and yet he does not mind underpaying his illegal help and pocketing the loot, even as he rails against the the Feds and the States for raising his taxes.

I went back to work Thursday. Got there 7:00 AM, before his fat-***. I did not leave till 7:00 PM. My ride (who I pay $20 a day to take me, because the State to my Drivers Licence to satisfy the Federal Patriot Act. I had to give my car away BTW.).
I got $100 for all the hours I spent. When I got home there were folks lining up to see me. I earned $100 in less than and hour and another $100 as of today Saturday. I am at the Library now, possible losing money from folks who want to buy Parts.

[lonewolf]

SCOTUS is correct. The POTUS has done his best to deport illegals like no other President has.

That my be true, but the illegal immigrant population has doubled under his presidency.

And, figures lie and liars figure.

Read this...

In 2013, ICE was responsible for about 133,000 of the 368,000 immigrants removed. The Washington Times calculated that meant a less than 1 percent risk of an illegal immigrant living in the interior of the U.S. being deported.

Deportations come mostly from border, DHS chief says
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Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.

The administration has argued it is tougher on illegal immigration than previous presidents, and immigrant-rights groups have excoriated President Obama, calling him the “deporter-in-chief” for having kicked out nearly 2 million immigrants during his five-year tenure.


But Republican critics have argued those deportation numbers are artificially inflated because more than half of those being deported were new arrivals, caught at the border by the U.S. Border Patrol. Previous administrations primarily counted only those caught in the interior of the U.S. by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

“Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn’t have been counted in prior administrations,” said Rep. John Culberson, Texas Republican.

“Correct,” Mr. Johnson confirmed.

That would mean that in a one-to-one comparison with the final years of the Bush administration, deportations of those same people under Mr. Obama had actually fallen, according to immigration analysts who have studied the data.

In 2013, ICE was responsible for about 133,000 of the 368,000 immigrants removed. The Washington Times calculated that meant a less than 1 percent risk of an illegal immigrant living in the interior of the U.S. being deported.
Mr. Johnson said they are prioritizing those they think deserve deportation. In the past, illegal immigrants from Mexico who had just illegally crossed the border would often times be returned, only to try again almost immediately. Now, many of them are put into full deportation proceedings.


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“We are enforcing the law. We are enforcing the law vigorously and effectively, which results in the removal of over 300,000 people a year over the last several years,” Mr. Johnson said. “We are using the resources Congress gave us to remove those we believe are threats to national security, public safety and border security. And they result in the numbers that you see.”

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle Tuesday pleaded with Mr. Johnson for more information on the status of immigration enforcement, saying it is tougher to pass a comprehensive immigration-reform bill.

That was a frequent complaint from Congress to Mr. Johnson’s predecessor, former DHS Secretary Janet A. Napolitano, who left the office last September.

Mr. Johnson has promised to be more responsive, saying he will answer lawmakers’ questions and try to get them information.

“Better information may not be the way to reach consensus on every question of border and immigration enforcement policy, but it would help us. It would elevate the discussion to one based on empirical evidence and agreed-upon data,” said Rep. David Price, North Carolina Democrat.

The Senate last year passed a broad immigration bill legalizing most illegal immigrants, boosting border security spending by tens of billions of dollars and rewriting the legal immigration system.

But House Republicans have balked, arguing they don’t trust Mr. Obama to enforce the laws — and they point to his carving up of deportation policy as one example.

Mr. Johnson, though, countered that passing a legalization bill would actually enhance security because it would get illegal immigrants to come forward and report, and would allow the department to more narrowly focus its resources.

In one key step, the Obama administration this year is calling for a cut in detention beds that hold immigrants awaiting deportation, from the 34,000 level mandated by law to slightly more than 30,500.

“We believe that is not the best and highest use of our resources, given our current estimates of who we need to detain, who we regard as public safety, national security, border security threats,” Mr. Johnson said.

Homeland Security officials argue that rather than holding illegal immigrants in detention facilities, they can be given supervised release, which he said is more cost-effective.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/deportations-come-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/?page=all

[lonewolf]

LOL my boss is a dripping Anti-Obama, Right Wing, Southern Baptist, Open Carry, Republican and yet he does not mind underpaying his illegal help and pocketing the loot, even as he rails against the the Feds and the States for raising his taxes.

Yep, my brother in-law is the same kind of guy. Right wing Repug and hires illegals for cheap labor in his roofing business. His fat a$$ sits in an office and makes all the deals...he complains about taxes and unionized labor and screams how unfair things are...just another greedy prick.

I went back to work Thursday. Got there 7:00 AM, before his fat-***. I did not leave till 7:00 PM. My ride (who I pay $20 a day to take me, because the State to my Drivers Licence to satisfy the Federal Patriot Act. I had to give my car away BTW.).I got $100 for all the hours I spent. When I got home there were folks lining up to see me. I earned $100 in less than and hour and another $100 as of today Saturday. I am at the Library now, possible losing money from folks who want to buy Parts.

Maybe you need to move to a sanctuary state like Md. I don't think you would have that problem here.

New Year Ushers in Md. Law Giving Illegal Aliens Driver's Licenses ...
cnsnews.com/.../new-year-ushers-md-law-giving-illegal-aliens-driver-s-licensesCached
SimilarJan 2, 2014 ... A new law in Maryland that took effect on Jan. 1 allows illegal aliens to get a
driver's licenses in the state.

[RichD]

Supreme court ruled states can't lawfully enforce immigration issues and border control. Federal government is the only entity that has jurisdiction over unlawful invasion of the country.

The president could stop this, but he hasn't.

which decision was that?

i suspect you are incorrectly quoting the law.

this story from 2009 appears to confirm my position.

Although Brewer has the authority to call up the troops, she asked Gates to mobilize them as part of the federally funded Joint Counter Narco-terrorism Task Force.

was the decision you refer to after 2009?

http://www.nationalguard.mil/News/ArticleView/tabid/5563/Article/3548/obama-considers-deploying-national-guard-to-border.aspx

[Tuff Gong]

Yep, my brother in-law is the same kind of guy. Right wing Repug and hires illegals for cheap labor in his roofing business. His fat a$$ sits in an office and makes all the deals...he complains about taxes and unionized labor and screams how unfair things are...just another greedy prick.

LOL!

Maybe you need to move to a sanctuary state like Md. I don't think you would have that problem here.

New Year Ushers in Md. Law Giving Illegal Aliens Driver's Licenses ...
cnsnews.com/.../new-year-ushers-md-law-giving-illegal-aliens-driver-s-licenses....Jan 2, 2014 ... A new law in Maryland that took effect on Jan. 1 allows illegal aliens to get a
driver's licenses in the state.

Thanks for the tip. They will join New Mexico who was the lone hold out. New York is re-considering too.

[Tuff Gong]

That my be true, but the illegal immigrant population has doubled under his presidency.

And, figures lie and liars figure.

Read this...

You mean they just started counting under Barry's rule?

[RichD]

That my be true, but the illegal immigrant population has doubled under his presidency.

where did you get that number?

[lonewolf]

which decision was that?

i suspect you are incorrectly quoting the law.

this story from 2009 appears to confirm my position.


was the decision you refer to after 2009?

http://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Ar...to-border.aspx

Maybe, I suppose it is all in one's interpretation. I may have put to much trust in the writers interpretation in this article. I believe she may have been refering to the 2012 supreme court ruling...See below and tell me what you think. I'm going to email the writer of the article and see if she will give me her sources. I'm getting mixed messages when I read the information that I found..

Ken Cuccinelli calls for states to dispatch the National Guard to border
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Ken Cuccinelli, former Virginia attorney general, said states along the Southern border not only have the legal right to secure their properties by dispatching the National Guard — but they pretty much also have a constitutionally based responsibility.

“When [illegals are] coming across your border, Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution [gives border states the right to] deal with this themselves,” he said during an interview on “The Laura Ingraham Show,” Breitbart reported.

Mr. Cuccinelli advised, too, that states could task their law enforcement to the borders, too.

He also said the federal government couldn’t really prevent states from securing their borders, adding that “the only thing the president could do is federalize the National Guard,” but “there’s nothing the president could do about the Texas Rangers or state police,” Breitbart reported.

“This is why we had militias,” Mr. Cuccinelli went on. “This is why militias actually existed. That is the definition of despotism — when our chief executive is committed to doing a complete go-around our Constitution.”




The argument against states activating the National Guard and sending troops to the border is that the Supreme Court has previously ruled the federal government is the rightful overseer on immigration issues, and therefore states can’t lawfully take such bold action.

Read more:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/2/ken-cuccinelli-calls-states-dispatch-national-guar/#ixzz36sifSRr2

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: Why can’t the states just handle immigration?

A: In 2012, the Supreme Court struck down three provisions of Arizona SB 1070, the most famous of the recent state immigration-control laws, and left a fourth open to future legal challenge. In the process, the Court confirmed that states cannot enact their own immigration policies, and may not empower their law-enforcement officers to make immigration arrests unless specifically authorized by Congress. State immigration-control laws are ineffective and can’t change the federal system.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/special-reports/tackling-toughest-questions-immigration-reform

[RichD]

Immigration policies are separate form policing issues. the state can if they wanted protect and patrol the border.

the issue is noting is free and as much as they want to talk about it they don't want to pay for it.

plus in most of these border states the issue remaining unresolved is very valuable politically when a democrat is in the whitehouse.

[lonewolf]

where did you get that number?

Rich, I didn't. I mis-read an article on the the recent illegal children migration. I was wrong. I had a senior moment, thanks for correcting me. The truth is the only thing that counts. And the truth is the illegal population is about the same since he took office, it stands at about 11 million. It did not double as I incorrectly stated.