Is History important?

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Very much so, the influence of parents on their offspring is tremendous and wellknown and accepted. </div></div>

it is not about this influence being well-known and accepted more about the history being well-known and accepted. it is also about relevancy.

the reality of family history shows that history is not always important.
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What could be more relevant than the values your parents pass on to you?

It is so relevant your very biology is involved.

Now the part about history not being important because of family history needs more explaining, as I can not follow your line of thought.

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

that's why they have something called a family tree and that's why the study of geneology using dna is growing by leaps &amp; bounds among african descendants...the sense that you were cut off from your family history-
if you ever notice the average white person can trace their ancestry back hundreds of years...
why should we forget ours? </div></div>
and that is why we will always have problems because we expect to have the same things like white people. we expect to find books written by black people as white people have, we expect great inventions like white people have. and that is why many will be duped to spend thousands just to cure them psycological problems of low self-esteem. me na waan know how much money you done spend pan artifacts.

see dem all come from bush-jungle go look fe book in a egypt

the bs in this whole thing and that is the point i am getting at. it should be the whole family tree and not just the african. if part is irrelevant then it is a make up story. it is the white man's racist concept to only acknowledged anything coloured as african without respecting the full value of the whole as known. </div></div>

IT is not an expectation, as the fact of the matter is that their are these books and inventions by black people..So it is not an expectation but a present reality.
We accept the whole, but we also need to know our part in history. That self knowledge starts with self should be no surprise, and the starting place for self-knowledge is your very own family tree and the soil from whence it springs. That is your <span style="font-weight: bold">&quot;roots</span>&quot; from whence your strenght springs. Then you get &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">groundings</span>&quot; by understanding the environment you presently habituate.

[rufian]

Re: Is History important?

it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
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all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
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all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations </div></div>

It is not a matter of whats needed but what is reality....it is not a decision you make its what you are, whether you accept it or not. To do otherwise is to be in a state of denial.

[Hugo]

Re: Is History important?



Where's the rotfapums icon?


Unnuh fell for disyah chread?

[rufian]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
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all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations </div></div>

It is not a matter of whats needed but what is reality....it is not a decision you make its what you are, whether you accept it or not. To do otherwise is to be in a state of denial. </div></div>
a wa yu a tell me?
yu na see some decide fe be African, Rastafarian and every other blinking thing? Ok let me try to understand you. So I am solely African and nothing more? And where identity is concerned individuals do not have the need to identify themselves?
Individuals have no rights to reject an identification given?

[uswe]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
____
all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations </div></div>

It is not a matter of whats needed but what is reality....it is not a decision you make its what you are, whether you accept it or not. To do otherwise is to be in a state of denial. </div></div>
a wa yu a tell me?
yu na see some decide fe be African, Rastafarian and every other blinking thing? Ok let me try to <span style="font-weight: bold">understand</span> you. So I am solely African and nothing more? And where identity is concerned individuals do not have the need to identify themselves?
Individuals have no rights to reject an identification given?
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Suckie..isis mi sistrin yuh ah guh mek dem even more bex..yuh shudda seh <span style="font-weight: bold">overstand</span>

[jah_yout]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
____
all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations </div></div>

It is not a matter of whats needed but what is reality....it is not a decision you make its what you are, whether you accept it or not. To do otherwise is to be in a state of denial. </div></div>
a wa yu a tell me?
yu na see some decide fe be African, Rastafarian and every other blinking thing? Ok let me try to understand you. So I am solely African and nothing more? And where identity is concerned individuals do not have the need to identify themselves?
Individuals have no rights to reject an identification given?
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you have every right to reject an identity...
many black latinos &amp; west-indians for that matter don't consider themselves black...
i've heard some somalis say they are not african (even though they are black and were born in africa)...i've heard an italian chick say she is not white, indian looking yardie saying she's black, etc.
i can even claim to be chinese

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it works for some and is needed by some. If you live in a place where everybody is proud of their origin like Italian-American and so on, the need will arise.
some people need this form of knowledge, the sad thing is to Expect every black person also to have this need and viewpoint, where if you don't, you are considered not wanting to be black.
some people need Jesus same way.
____
all you say is elementary, it starts with knowing your mother and father then your own satisfaction and expectations </div></div>

It is not a matter of whats needed but what is reality....it is not a decision you make its what you are, whether you accept it or not. To do otherwise is to be in a state of denial. </div></div>
a wa yu a tell me?
yu na see some decide fe be African, Rastafarian and every other blinking thing? Ok let me try to understand you. So I am solely African and nothing more? And where identity is concerned individuals do not have the need to identify themselves?
Individuals have no rights to reject an identification given?
</div></div>

You can decide to be Rasta as that is a chosen way of life, but who you are is very much a result of who your parents are, and not a choice you make. Being Afrikan does not preclude you from being other things say a mother, doctor, Jamaican or American.
To identify yourself as European whilst truly being an Afrikan and /or vice versa is to be in a state of confusion, ignorance or denial.

You can only reject that which is false, to reject that which is true is ignorance.

[rufian]

Re: Is History important?

ring a ring a rosy
last lap

define what you mean by &quot;being truly Afrikan&quot;

[uswe]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ring a ring a rosy
last lap

define what you mean by &quot;being truly Afrikan&quot; </div></div>


Pranksteer..who yuh ah seh ah refer tuh demself as European?

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ring a ring a rosy
last lap

define what you mean by &quot;being truly Afrikan&quot; </div></div>

One who ancestry is native to the continent of Afrika, and whose phenotype is unchanged by climatic environment.

[franksterr]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: uswe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ring a ring a rosy
last lap

define what you mean by &quot;being truly Afrikan&quot; </div></div>


Pranksteer..who yuh ah seh ah refer tuh demself as European? </div></div>

It was an example to aid the explanation not an accussation

[rufian]

Re: Is History important?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: franksterr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ring a ring a rosy
last lap

define what you mean by &quot;being truly Afrikan&quot; </div></div>

One who ancestry is native to the continent of Afrika, and whose phenotype is unchanged by climatic environment.
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so all other changes to the phenotype does not count? only the climate?

[rufian]

Re: Is History important?

franksterr yu is a white smaddi?