Because race played a factor is it racism?

**diabolical_Tanya** · 12-17-2008, 12:36 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

Good question

**Hugo** · 12-17-2008, 12:53 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

Racism has nothing to do with the scenario that you described. Racism is using race to unfairly deny blacks the rights and priveleges that the Constitution affords them eg at work, in a court of law, etc. It is a concept which involves power, power to deny blacks their fair share of the pie.

While race can sway one to cheer and root for a particular teamn or athlete, it is not racism until the power play comes in to their [the blacks] disadvantage; no matter what some might want to think.. Because blacks have no power, in essence they cannot be regarded as racist. Now that Obama is the president elect, that might change though.

**H_O** · 12-17-2008, 12:55 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

i alway root for the underdog...like a guy gettin his butt kicked--i cheer him on.

the world aint fair.

**rufian** · 12-17-2008, 12:57 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

Because race played a factor ... for what? in what?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You do notice that one of the runners are black. Who do you want to win? Chances are if you are black you are cheering for the black running. Is this racism?
If a white person did this would you consider then racist? Should someone be called racist because the gravitate to the familiar?
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That is the same like saying when Jamaicans want only to see Jamaicans win. You would say that they are being nationalists right?

If it were your family member who would you want to win? Why would you want a white runner to win? It is not racism in my opinion, especially in sports we look for identification. Some identify with the event of winning just like those who want to see someone like them win certain conditions

Having said that it is the history of racism that can dragged into it and not racism itself The pride to see a white person get lashed, par exemple.

**ILP** · 12-17-2008, 12:58 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

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**diabolical_Tanya** · 12-17-2008, 01:00 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hibern8ting_ILP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> York Peppermint Pattie </div></div>

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**Boricua_papi** · 12-17-2008, 01:04 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

Xavier,

I think you are mixing two separate concepts - racism and "bias based on race." It is an all-too-human tendency and identify with and perhaps favor an individual who looks superficially like how we perceive ourselves - that is not racism since it doesn't imply an inherent superiority of one individual over another based on the concept of "race." Racism is manifested when trivial differences in physical attributes such as skin and hair trigger patterns of thought in an observer that have been reinforced by stereotypes that are erroneous in every single context.

**Xavier** · 12-17-2008, 01:05 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

Many are calling it racism because it has to deal with race. To me it is the race card being used when it should not.

Not sure I agree with the quote below.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Baker Street</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Because blacks have no power, in essence they cannot be regarded as racist. </div></div>

I don't think having power alone should have someone be classified as racist. I think there are black racists.

**Xavier** · 12-17-2008, 01:24 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

B_P

Point well taken. The "biased based on race" in my opinion is always called racism when it is distinct.

**rufian** · 12-17-2008, 01:44 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B_P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Xavier,

I think you are mixing two separate concepts - racism and "bias based on race." It is an all-too-human tendency and identify with and perhaps favor an individual who looks superficially like how we perceive ourselves - that is not racism since it doesn't imply an inherent superiority of one individual over another based on the concept of "race." Racism is manifested when trivial differences in physical attributes such as skin and hair trigger patterns of thought in an observer that have been reinforced by stereotypes that are erroneous in every single context. </div></div>
true. but it is goes beyond just the physical

**blugiant** · 12-17-2008, 02:54 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Good question

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**Boricua_papi** · 12-17-2008, 03:04 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B_P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Xavier,

I think you are mixing two separate concepts - racism and "bias based on race." It is an all-too-human tendency and identify with and perhaps favor an individual who looks superficially like how we perceive ourselves - that is not racism since it doesn't imply an inherent superiority of one individual over another based on the concept of "race." Racism is manifested when trivial differences in physical attributes such as skin and hair trigger patterns of thought in an observer that have been reinforced by stereotypes that are erroneous in every single context. </div></div>
true. but it is goes beyond just the physical </div></div>

But it is the trivial difference in appearance that are used by individuals to assign "race" which bears no real biological underpinning. Remove the trivial cues used to assign "race" and bias would likely center on belief systems, upbringing, level of education, etc, etc.

**rufian** · 12-17-2008, 03:05 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

a so? me real slow today, me think e mean when one white smaddi a run race and all the rest dem black mek sure say yu cheer the white one or you racist

**blugiant** · 12-17-2008, 03:09 PM

Re: Because race played a factor is it racism?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am probably going to get some PM and emails but I think the discussion about race in GD sometimes does not consider all sides or any introspect.

Today I posted in my blog on the Charles Barkley comments on Auburn hiring a white coach with a bad team record over a black coach with a decent record. I think race played a role in this but is it racism? I know many who will disagree with me on this. Here is a scenario I posted and I want you consider how you think about situations.

Lets say you are black (You can do the reverse if you are white). You are watching an Olympic race with 8 men from countries you have never heard of before. This means you have no country alliance. You do not know the background of each runner so there is no "touchy feely" story to sway you to a runner. You do notice that one of the runners are black. Who do you want to win? Chances are if you are black you are cheering for the black running. Is this racism? If a white person did this would you consider then racist? Should someone be called racist because the gravitate to the familiar? </div></div>

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Because race played a factor is it racism?

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