Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: loops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: B_P</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If only mind control were not a staple of science fiction but reality. I would have tropicana lick har own head back. </div></div>

and i would pay to see it. </div></div>


me too

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and nuff of them are automatically rejected by the black women ... tropi why you cant wrap your head around the idea that we not interested in them ... not even for a minute ... no care how much them can provide ... Have you ever wondered what we think about them physically?</div></div>

Listen sweetie, I <span style="font-weight: bold">am</span> Jamaican. I know <span style="font-weight: bold">MANY Jamaicans</span> raised in Jamaica. So don't give me this we aren't interested in them garbage. The men are the ones doing the rejecting. Does it hurt your ego to admit that? </div></div>


Ah mussi troo dem reject yu mek yu ah gwan suh.....wat ah way misery love company....aye sah

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i see loads of white men with black women

i see loads of brown children

i have white and black friends

i don't have your problem tropi

get approached all the time

maybe you're not black enough

<span style="font-style: italic">i know i'm on ignore - lol</span>

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[Shine_Eye_Girl]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Seveen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you have to be a friend to have a friend

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[Tropicana]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think my take is different from your since I was raised in Jamaica and you were not. </div></div>

Yes my perspective would be totally different. I agree. That's why I enjoy talking with you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Jamaica is divided into classes based on money and education and family background..[poor but comely and proud]..as a result, no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.


for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him. </div></div>

Now this is wher the confusion come in for me. I must be missing something. If you were all going to school together and in the same neighbourhoods, how come these divisions remained. Now, I must clarify, I am basing this on what I saw in Jamaica during the 70s. I don't know if before that communities were segregated. Perhaps you could clarify. I was too young when I left Jamaica to be aware of this.

Now I remember my folks saying that in their town the Whites used to play tennis and the Black people didn't. It was a BIG deal when one of our cousins was the first Black person to be invited to join the tennis club. Again, this struck me as odd.

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I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div>

I guess the reason I make a big deal about it is that the excuse some Black men give for marrying White is that they have been in a society where the majority of women are White and so they perceive &quot;White&quot; as the ideal. It's odd to me that in a society where the majority of women are Black, the reverse wouldn't hold true. Also if these men are financially successful and educated (and not all of them are). Why would they not be perceived as desireable partners?

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To add: decades ago, whole heap of poor German men married black women, and had a lot of poor mulatto pickneys who were the butt of many ugly jokes. </div></div>

Oh yes, I have seen some of these from St. Elizabeth and even WAY up in the hills of St. Ann (which was surprising). These were elderly people, very light skinned mixed with German. In fact, I have met some White Jamaicans of German descent, bonde hair and blue eyes, who couldn't put 2 words together in standard English fi save dem life. The first time I came across this I was a teenager and I was SHOCKED!!

There is young man I see in Ocho Rios sometimes. He is clearly poor and very light skinned. He was behind me in the patty store a couple of times. When im open im mouth fe talk, bwoy mi had was to jus shake me head and say &quot;Look 'ow de slave mastah jus' abaondon im pickney.&quot; It was more than sad. I am not sure if he was mixed with German or British.

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Richd, I am waiting for the answer.</div></div>

Trapi yu ah nuh deh man mada or ah judge... </div></div>


But it look suh......

[Shine_Eye_Girl]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That wasn't the impression I was trying to create. I know that there are MANY successful Black men in Jamaica and elsewhere. I am zeroing in on the non-Black ones. What is it that I said that is giving the wrong impression? Please do point it out to me and I will gladly correct it. It was NOT intentional I assure you.

Curious to have your take on my question though. Do you have the same impression that I do. This came out of the Mahfood thread. These people have been in Jamaica for generation and there was only 1 Black face among them. It struck me as odd. </div></div>

Of course not, I don't have the impression that you do; in all fairness I think it is silly. and even sillier to be starting such a thread about them as if they are that important, or even more important than out Jamaican black people..

Most of us when we were growing up juss saw them as bizniz people and that's it...and I went to school with girls from many of these affluent families and mi nain see them as better than me...if anything, sadly to say, it was the reverse, for many of them were not bright...::LOL::

I think my take is different from your since I was raised in Jamaica and you were not. Jamaica is divided into classes based on money and education and family background..[poor but comely and proud]..as a result, no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.


for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him.

I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT.


To add: decades ago, whole heap of poor German men married black women, and had a lot of poor mulatto pickneys who were the butt of many ugly jokes. </div></div>

[proudmamma]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britisha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I think my take is different from your since I was raised in Jamaica and you were not. </div></div>

Yes my perspective would be totally different. I agree. That's why I enjoy talking with you.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Jamaica is divided into classes based on money and education and family background..[poor but comely and proud]..as a result, no one group would rush to be in in another group including through marriage, unless they have ulterior motives.


for a black man and white woman, or white man and black woman to marry, they have to know each other from waaay back, families know each other and some intermingling did a gwaan...no man black nar white naah go to a party or an event and si any woman and juss ask them to date them soh, they have to have something in common...and the woman naaaah goh juss accept date and ting becozz di man rich, since him white....shi might fool roun him fi get some thing valuable but that is it...USE HIM, USE HIM, USE HIM...him use har and she use him. </div></div>

Now this is wher the confusion come in for me. I must be missing something. If you were all going to school together and in the same neighbourhoods, how come these divisions remained. Now, I must clarify, I am basing this on what I saw in Jamaica during the 70s. I don't know if before that communities were segregated. Perhaps you could clarify. I was too young when I left Jamaica to be aware of this.

Now I remember my folks saying that in their town the Whites used to play tennis and the Black people didn't. It was a BIG deal when one of our cousins was the first Black person to be invited to join the tennis club. Again, this struck me as odd.

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I agree, Jamaican women weren't interested in white man more than soh...at least professional and successful black women..I don't know why you make that a big deal; for many of us it was and still IS NOT. </div></div>

I guess the reason I make a big deal about it is that the excuse some Black men give for marrying White is that they have been in a society where the majority of women are White and so they perceive &quot;White&quot; as the ideal. It's odd to me that in a society where the majority of women are Black, the reverse wouldn't hold true. Also if these men are financially successful and educated (and not all of them are). Why would they not be perceived as desireable partners?

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To add: decades ago, whole heap of poor German men married black women, and had a lot of poor mulatto pickneys who were the butt of many ugly jokes. </div></div>

Oh yes, I have seen some of these from St. Elizabeth and even WAY up in the hills of St. Ann (which was surprising). These were elderly people, very light skinned mixed with German. In fact, I have met some White Jamaicans of German descent, bonde hair and blue eyes, who couldn't put 2 words together in standard English fi save dem life. The first time I came across this I was a teenager and I was SHOCKED!!

There is young man I see in Ocho Rios sometimes. He is clearly poor and very light skinned. He was behind me in the patty store a couple of times. When im open im mouth fe talk, bwoy mi had was to jus shake me head and say &quot;Look 'ow de slave mastah jus' abaondon im pickney.&quot; It was more than sad. I am not sure if he was mixed with German or British. </div></div>


Maybe French, Lithuanian, Latvian, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Canadian, Northern Italian, or Icelandic? Are Germany and the UK the only white countries in the world?

[britisha]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes my perspective would be totally different. I agree. That's why I enjoy talking with you.



Now this is where the confusion come in for me. I must be missing something. If you were all going to school together and in the same neighbourhoods, how come these divisions remained.</div></div>

You *are* missing something. I cannot spell out everything here. I came from a poorer neighbourhood and rode the bus to this school which I attended with these girls..at the end of the school day, their parents drove their jeeps and cars and picked them up and I rode the bus back to my *hood* <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Now, I must clarify, I am basing this on what I saw in Jamaica during the 70s. I don't know if before that communities were segregated. Perhaps you could clarify. I was too young when I left Jamaica to be aware of this.</div></div>

In the sociological sense of the word, Jamaica had NO &quot;segregated&quot; neighbourhoods...it was just a matter of poor Jamaican blacks could not afford to live in richer, exclusive neighbourhoods...and oh yes, Tropicana, some black girls who I attended High School with, did live in some of those richer areas.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Now I remember my folks saying that in their town the Whites used to play tennis and the Black people didn't. It was a BIG deal when one of our cousins was the first Black person to be invited to join the tennis club. Again, this struck me as odd.</div></div>
Guess what, we had a tennis court at High School, but none of us played...a gulf course was right next door, and none of us played there...it was out of my league.

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guess the reason I make a big deal about it is that the excuse some Black men give for marrying White is that they have been in a society where the majority of women are White and so they perceive &quot;White&quot; as the ideal. It's odd to me that in a society where the majority of women are Black, the reverse wouldn't hold true. Also if these men are financially successful and educated (and not all of them are). Why would they not be perceived as desireable partners?</div></div>Funny that you should say theis, I was listening to a show on the radio where some south African sisters were saying the same thing about their men...and the reason that they give is. the society INGRAINED in the heads of the blacks that *we* were inferior, and the whites were superior, so they subconsciously held on to this myth and demonstrated it in marrying to &quot;whites&quot; so as to feel as if they are not inferior...[this is what was said, and not that I support this explanation wholeheartedly...]

This is why parents must build self-esteem in their children from a young age...so that if they do marry into another &quot;race&quot; [another myth] it is out of love and not feelings of low self esteem.

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To add: decades ago, whole heap of poor German men married black women, and had a lot of poor mulatto pickneys who were the butt of many ugly jokes. </div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Oh yes, I have seen some of these from St. Elizabeth and even WAY up in the hills of St. Ann (which was surprising). These were elderly people, very light skinned mixed with German. In fact, I have met some White Jamaicans of German descent, bonde hair and blue eyes, who couldn't put 2 words together in standard English fi save dem life. The first time I came across this I was a teenager and I was SHOCKED!!

There is young man I see in Ocho Rios sometimes. He is clearly poor and very light skinned. He was behind me in the patty store a couple of times. When im open im mouth fe talk, bwoy mi had was to jus shake me head and say &quot;Look 'ow de slave mastah jus' abaondon im pickney.&quot; It was more than sad. I am not sure if he was mixed with German or British. </div></div>


*chukkle* Tropi, some of them are in my family, on my cousins's side...my aunt married one...they are all dead now though...and Uncle *Nameless* [small world naah call noh name] as we used to call him was the sweetest, silliest funniest human that you could meet and know...btw, they didn't own slaves Tropi...what yuh saying???

[Tropicana]

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I know, some of them were poor as <span style="font-weight: bold">DONKEY </span>. It's just the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this guy. Really sad. I wonder how he managed. He must have been in his early 20s at the time.

Most of the Whites who came to Jamaica were from the British isles, some were German and a few were French who migrated to Jamaica from Haiti after the slave revolt. The Jews were from Spain or Portugal. There were even a few Italian families. Very few. They weren't all rich, not by a long shot. Apparently, not even 1 Irish family owned slaves. That's pretty much it. There weren't many Whites from other Europeans countries.

[neutral]

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Lol@uncle *nameless*...Lol !

[britisha]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lol@uncle *nameless*...Lol ! </div></div>

::LOL:: is right...laawd, him did cute, eyes bluer than the Caribbean Sea...when Mom passed away, mi kip asking at di finneral who is that blonde boy over there? And that girl? Yuh 2nd cousin dem informed mi...

[britisha]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know, some of them were poor as <span style="font-weight: bold">DONKEY </span>. It's just the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this guy. Really sad. I wonder how he managed. He must have been in his early 20s at the time. </div></div>

Yes, many were very very very poor and chat bad so til...so di kwestian now is, would *you* [annie ooman here] want to marry one of these POOR WHITE MEN or a poor black man or it noh mattah?? Me? Gimmie di blacker wan.


Psychologists seh ppl marry folks who look like the parent of the opposite sex...mi faddah did black noh coal, so mi love black maan cyaan dun...

[Tropicana]

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Was he one a dem from St. Elizabeth who did chat real bad? I shared a taxi with one once, an elderly man. He was hitchiking and the person I was with took pity on him and picked him up. When im open im mout' fe talk. Man oh man!!! At that time I was just bearly being introduced back to Jamaica. My second trip back and I was

[britisha]

Re: Why do NON-BLACK Jamaican men shun Black Jamaican Women?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was he one a dem from St. Elizabeth who did chat real bad? I shared a taxi with one once, an elderly man. He was hitchiking and the person I was with took pity on him and picked him up. When im open im mout' fe talk. Man oh man!!! At that time I was just bearly being introduced back to Jamaica. My second trip back and I was
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No Tropi, his parents were German, maybe they landed in St. Elizabeth, [I dunno] but that is not where he and Aunt Z lived...my cousins still carry the German name, the boys that is.