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<span style="font-weight: bold">President Obama yesterday defied academics who insisted he ignore fallen Confederate soldiers on his first Memorial Day in office by not sending wreaths to separate memorials for white rebels who were killed in the Civil War and free blacks who fought against them. Last week, about 60 professors, including controversial 1960s radical William Ayers, an acquaintance of Obama, petitioned the White House, asking him to break tradition and not memorialize soldiers from the Confederacy.</span>
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wood wan cancious blakk man send flowers too de canfederate sintinn. mii doan tink soo. diss iss annadda xxample y imm natt a blakk man.
oww oonnoo feel bout obama sendinn flowers too canferate memorial sintinn givinn dem iistaree aff fightinn fii keep enslavinn blakks? -
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I didnt know US PRez did this
why any of them would seems weird - like laying a wreath on the Al Qaeda's graves, since the confederates wanted to break up the countryComment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wood wan cancious blakk man send flowers too de canfederate sintinn. mii doan tink soo. diss iss annadda xxample y imm natt a blakk man.
oww oonnoo feel bout obama sendinn flowers too canferate memorial sintinn givinn dem iistaree aff fightinn fii keep enslavinn blakks? </div></div>
Its all about showman ship...attempt to put the pass away an move forward.. The thing I found out about Obama is he tends to do the opposite of what the majority of us will or would do.. He do not play or make decisions of emmotions which most of us do..Once you master the skill of removing emotion you would fine out that you have clear choice more offten.. he would have made a great officer in the military.Comment
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what's the source?
it wouldn't surprise me if mercan presidents did do this...after all they were their brothers before secessioin & became their brothers again after defeat & subsequent re-unificationComment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what's the source?</div></div>
Running a few words through <span style="font-style: italic">Google Search</span>, I found the quote towards the end of an article on the online edition of the Boston Herald. Read the entire article here.
The article did not show any evidence of those petitions that it claimed were sent to Obama by academics. Also, the article is misleading since what he did was to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns; it did not say he laid wreaths specifically at tombs identified as being those of known confederate warriors. It's worth pointing out that this paper is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the conservative media mogul who also owns Fox News, so ... consider the source. Trying to stir up some trouble? You never know.
As an aside, a number of blacks fought alongside confederate soldiers against the Union during the Civil War, presumably being forced to do. They were slaves living in territories which did not recognize the Emancipation Proclamation.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">white rebels who were killed in the Civil War and free blacks who fought against them.</span> </div></div>
Why do 'historians' keep writing and why do people keep believing, that the Civil War was all about freeing slaves?
Things are still bad enough today, but am I really supposed to agree that back then, when blacks were being regularly lynched just for being black, that white men were running around killing each other for our benefit?
The Civil War was about control of America and its Western regions: The industrial North versus the agricultural South.
The North won - slavery was nothing more than an appendage and a 'noble' excuse.Comment
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President lays wreath at Tomb of Unknowns
By DARLENE SUPERVILLE – 18 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama avoided a racial controversy on his first Memorial Day in office by sending wreaths to separate memorials for Confederate soldiers and for blacks who fought against them during the Civil War.
Last week, a group of about 60 professors petitioned the White House, asking the first black U.S. president to break tradition and not memorialize military members from the Confederacy, the group of Southern states that supported slavery.
"The Arlington Confederate Monument is a denial of the wrong committed against African-Americans by slave owners, Confederates and neo-Confederates, through the monument's denial of slavery as the cause of secession and its holding up of Confederates as heroes," the petitioners said. "This implies that the humanity of Africans and African-Americans is of no significance."
The White House ignored the request.
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why yuh never highlight this from the story?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Obama also took the unprecedented step </span>of sending a wreath to the African American Civil War Memorial in Washington's historically black U Street neighborhood.</div></div>When its hot in the jungle of peace I go swimming in the ocean of love.....Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mangoskin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didnt know US PRez did this
why any of them would seems weird - like laying a wreath on the Al Qaeda's graves, since the confederates wanted to break up the country </div></div>
Ever since Woodrow Wilson's administration, American presidents have been honoring a group with racist and secessionist undertones, which is influenced by religious extremism. This Memorial Day, President Barack Obama will have the choice to either break with this shameful tradition or continue it.
Presidents have consistently sent a wreath to a monument in Arlington National Cemetery honoring the Confederate side of the Civil War every year for decades. In recent years, this has taken place on Memorial Day, though in the past, presidents have favored the June birthday of Confederate President Jefferson Davis. The monument goes further than just honoring dead soldiers, however. The language inscribed upon it glorifies the ideals of the Confederacy itself, and detractors say it is used as an excuse to embrace racism and neo-Confederate ideology.
There is a movement brewing to encourage Obama to stop legitimizing neo-Confederates by refusing to send the obligatory wreath to the monument. The effort is led by a group of thoughtful scholars influenced by good intentions. While I agree that it is morally reprehensible to honor the deaths of those who killed their own brothers in an effort to destroy our country, I respectfully disagree with their interpretation of the reality of the situation facing our president.
The argument for sending the wreath championed by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, the group that originally gathered the funds to build the monument in Arlington National Cemetery to honor the remains of over 200 Confederate soldiers that were re-interred there in 1900, is ostensibly historic. Ever since the memorial was erected in 1914, presidents have been paying homage annually. But that's not why I think Obama should send the wreath. I think he should comply with this tradition because it's cheap.
I don't think the Daughters of Confederate Soldiers are this genteel southern ladies' group they pretend to be. They have a history of cavorting with the Klan and other white supremacists and they do not deny that the monument was built to glorify the ideology of the South during its secessionist period. I don't want to oversimplify an incredibly complex period of our national history, but the South stood for the right to practice brutal slavery and used violence to resolve its issues with the Union. These are not American values, and Obama does not personify them. But if the only thing these wackos want is a wreath I have to say that frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
That's right; give the intolerant bastards their silly wreath. OK, can I have my universal healthcare now?
There are scores of conservative groups circulating lies and opinions about how the president has dishonored the military. Obama not sending a wreath to the Confederate monument would be one more round to add to their arsenal, so to speak. They would take the nugget of truth to the story and mix in all the conspiracy theories about Obama being a socialist Muslim atheist Black Panther born in Africa who is bent on destroying the country. The last thing these loose cannons need is ammo.
Take for example this comment on a poll asking whether or not Obama should send the wreath (the site on which the poll is posted seems to be politically neutral, but the user who submitted the question is decidedly conservative. The question itself, though, is phrased in a relatively non-combative way). The comment comes from a writer who identifies him or herself as "Extremist Soldier of Christ" and accompanies the comment with a picture of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii:
No... I think we should change the tradition- Let Obama put his birth certificate on it and tell the people that you don't need to be a citizen and die for this great land. Just pay the people and use big black national liberation thugs to scare you at the polls. Let this replace the wreath.
Another commenter wrote this:
BO snubbed the Salute To Heroes Ball, which honors all the Medal Of Honor recipients, on inauguration day to hang with the MTV party crowd. Chances are the muslim [sic] bastard will snub this event as well.
Dozens of historians and scholars have signed a May 18 letter urging the president to not send a wreath to the monument. You can read the letter and view some of the signatories here at the History News Network site.
The letter argues that the "monument should not be elevated in prestige above other monuments by a presidential wreath." One of the main arguments in the letter seems to be that the monument and its proponents suggest "that the humanity of Africans and African Americans is of no significance."
The mere existence of President Barack Obama flies in the face of such an assertion. I can think of no better way to illustrate the backwardness and complete irrelevance of such an assertion than a gift from the first black president of the United States. Obama has the opportunity to illustrate that he is the better man here. While the notion of a big tent should not include the bigot tent, it is important to light the way for those who are willing to break from racism and join the rest of the modern world. Isolating these people has the chance of allowing the wound of intolerance to fester and attract more flies.
Religion also plays a role. The letter also states that the notion that "the Civil War was a holy war between an orthodox Christian nation (the South)" and the unholy north is "a view widespread in the neo-Confederate movement" that inspires north-south animosity to this day.
Obama has done more to broaden the recognition of various traditions of religion and spirituality -- as well as traditions of atheism and agnosticism -- in this country than any other modern president. This is why the religious right has been actively attacking the president and sustaining the lie that Obama is a Muslim and/or atheist, a story neo-Confederates are comfortable repeating.
One need only compare the electoral maps of 2004 to 2008 to see a change has come in the way we define red states and blue states. In the aftermath of George W. Bush's re-election, there were actually concerns that a new Civil War would emerge from the red-blue (and generally north-south) divide. But this past election season showed that majorities in states such as Florida and Virginia were comfortable voting for a black president.
There has been no indication from the White House as to whether or not they will be sending a wreath to the Arlington Confederate Memorial, but my guess is they will. The Obama Administration is a pragmatic one that picks its battles, sometimes to a fault. Perhaps the left would might be more forgiving if Obama gave the symbolic concessions such as this wreath while also taking real progressive action in a trade.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do 'historians' keep writing and why do people keep believing, that the Civil War was all about freeing slaves?</div></div>
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I fully agree, the Civil War was all about a bunch of privileged white plantocrats who couldn't bear the threat of the loss of their Southern <span style="font-style: italic">Gentlemen</span> lifestyle.
The Industrialization, and newly found wealth of the Northern states brought with it the need for skilled, more educated, and <span style="font-style: italic">paid</span> labour, which was more than could be tolerated by this tradition-bound elite.
Slavery also wasn't cheap, what with the cost of; militias (and other added security measures), housing, food, clothing, medical care, replacement parts for sabotaged equipment, etc. It was much cheaper to give a man his freedom, and pay him a <span style="font-style: italic">simple</span> wage, letting him <span style="font-style: italic">foot</span> his own bills. Thus the state would mainly concentrate their security concerns on basic policing duties, and defence against external threats.
Of course, the sensitivities of the Southern Plantocrats were not so given to reason, thus leading to an unnecessary war of secession, especially once poorer whites were also convinced to go along with the crazy idea of secessionism. These same whites would have been the poorer for it, had the South actually won, because where would an agriculturally-based society have taken them???</span></span>Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Littleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do 'historians' keep writing and why do people keep believing, that the Civil War was all about freeing slaves?</div></div>
<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-weight: bold">I fully agree, the Civil War was all about a bunch of privileged white plantocrats who couldn't bear the threat of the loss of their Southern <span style="font-style: italic">Gentlemen</span> lifestyle.
The Industrialization, and newly found wealth of the Northern states brought with it the need for skilled, more educated, and <span style="font-style: italic">paid</span> labour, which was more than could be tolerated by this tradition-bound elite.
Slavery also wasn't cheap, what with the cost of; militias (and other added security measures), housing, food, clothing, medical care, replacement parts for sabotaged equipment, etc. It was much cheaper to give a man his freedom, and pay him a <span style="font-style: italic">simple</span> wage, letting him <span style="font-style: italic">foot</span> his own bills. Thus the state would mainly concentrate their security concerns on basic policing duties, and defence against external threats.
Of course, the sensitivities of the Southern Plantocrats were not so given to reason, thus leading to an unnecessary war of secession, especially once poorer whites were also convinced to go along with the crazy idea of secessionism. These same whites would have been the poorer for it, had the South actually won, because where would an agriculturally-based society have taken them???</span></span> </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">white rebels who were killed in the Civil War and free blacks who fought against them.</span> </div></div>
Why do 'historians' keep writing and why do people keep believing, that the Civil War was all about freeing slaves?
Things are still bad enough today, but am I really supposed to agree that back then, when blacks were being regularly lynched just for being black, that white men were running around killing each other for our benefit?
The Civil War was about control of America and its Western regions: The industrial North versus the agricultural South.
The North won - slavery was nothing more than an appendage and a 'noble' excuse. </div></div>The civil war was not fought over the freeing of slaves. It was worse. It was fought about the <span style="font-weight: bold">right to expand slavery</span>
OK let so quibble here, It was about slavery. Only after the north was losing badly they used abolition <span style="font-weight: bold">in the southern states, that was confederate</span>.
that was to weaken them,by robbing them of their machinery of production.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">white rebels who were killed in the Civil War and free blacks who fought against them.</span> </div></div>
Why do 'historians' keep writing and why do people keep believing, that the Civil War was all about freeing slaves?
Things are still bad enough today, but am I really supposed to agree that back then, when blacks were being regularly lynched just for being black, that white men were running around killing each other for our benefit?
The Civil War was about control of America and its Western regions: The industrial North versus the agricultural South.
The North won - slavery was nothing more than an appendage and a 'noble' excuse. </div></div>The civil war was not fought over the freeing of slaves. It was worse. It was fought about the <span style="font-weight: bold">right to expand slavery</span>
OK let so quibble here, It was about slavery. Only after the north was losing badly they used abolition <span style="font-weight: bold">in the southern states, that was confederate</span>.
that was to weaken them,by robbing them of their machinery of production.
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Agreed.Comment
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President of the United States....all of them. The man can't seem petty or trivial the symbolism is even more powerful, think about.. it a man of african descent sending flowers to the people who still can't get over the fact they lost...he looks..well, presidential they just look petty. Like mi fada always seh class is class and a$$ is a$$. President Obama a play chess not checkers.Comment
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