Homosexuals choose to be gay?

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 03:34 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I said it should not be accepted as normal, ina a civilized society, simply because it is being done by primitive animals. although those examples you stated constiotuites varioitions within th eaccepted 'normals',they are not treated similar to being deaf or even alopecia. That is because although those states are also variations of the hair, or earing,they are outside of the scope of what is accepted as normal in society. </div></div>
The key words that you used above are "in a <span style="font-style: italic">civilized</span> world." And "<span style="font-style: italic">primitive</span> animals. All of these gay animals are no more "primitive" than we human beings are. We aren't advanced.

And characterizing peoples that discriminate against homosexuals as "civilized", or perhaps more civilized than peoples who don't is absurd.

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I said it should not be accepted as normal, ina a civilized society, simply because it is being done by primitive animals. although those examples you stated constiotuites varioitions within th eaccepted 'normals',they are not treated similar to being deaf or even alopecia. That is because although those states are also variations of the hair, or earing,they are outside of the scope of what is accepted as normal in society. </div></div>
The key words that you used above are "in a <span style="font-style: italic">civilized</span> world." And "<span style="font-style: italic">primitive</span> animals. All of these gay animals are no more "primitive" than we human beings are. We aren't advanced.

And characterizing peoples that discriminate against homosexuals as "civilized", or perhaps more civilized than peoples who don't is absurd. </div></div>What do you mean by discriminate.??
You mean like they treat black people all over the world?? you don't think that the people who practice all of the forms of discrimination are civilized too?/
Are you then saying that the act of discrimination is evidence of the lack of civility?
If you do i would remind you that's it through discriminating between what is acceptable and what is not is a society that distinguishes civility.

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 03:50 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I said it should not be accepted as normal, ina a civilized society, simply because it is being done by primitive animals. although those examples you stated constiotuites varioitions within th eaccepted 'normals',they are not treated similar to being deaf or even alopecia. That is because although those states are also variations of the hair, or earing,they are outside of the scope of what is accepted as normal in society. </div></div>
The key words that you used above are "in a <span style="font-style: italic">civilized</span> world." And "<span style="font-style: italic">primitive</span> animals. All of these gay animals are no more "primitive" than we human beings are. We aren't advanced.

And characterizing peoples that discriminate against homosexuals as "civilized", or perhaps more civilized than peoples who don't is absurd. </div></div>What do you mean by discriminate.??
You mean like they treat black people all over the world?? you don't think that the people who practice all of the forms of discrimination are civilized too?/
Are you then saying that the act of discrimination is evidence of the lack of civility?
If you do i would remind you that's it through discriminating between what is acceptable and what is not is a society that distinguishes civility. </div></div>
Umm no you miss the point: You say that homosexuality is BEING DONE BY PRIMITIVE ANIMALS. And that just because PRIMITIVE ANIMALS do it, doesn't mean that CIVILIZED people should accept it.

I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.

**evanovitch** · 06-07-2009, 03:54 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
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based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is...

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 04:15 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
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based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is... </div></div>
Evan... the thing is, we are all normal. Being born gay is normal. It happens in many animal species, including we homo sapiens. Straight people can't call homosexuals "abnormal" because it IS normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual. For a society to call all those people that are born queer "abnormal" and to allow them to be persecuted is uncivilized.

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
</div></div>

based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is... </div></div>
Evan... the thing is, we are all normal. Being born gay is normal. It happens in many animal species, including we homo sapiens. Straight people can't call homosexuals "abnormal" because it IS normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual. For a society to call all those people that are born queer "abnormal" and to allow them to be persecuted is uncivilized. </div></div> star on that track and eventually all health interventions will cease. since in is also normal for people do die from many diseasaes. It has beennormal for centuries for peole to die from easily treatable diseases as flu.
Did you know that I takje no greater precausions against the H1N1 flu than other bugs?

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 04:40 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">star on that track and eventually all health interventions will cease. since in is also normal for people do die from many diseasaes. It has been normal for centuries for peole to die from easily treatable diseases as flu.
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So is homosexuality in humans a disease? A disease that is also in other animal species. Will doctor/scientists soon be developing strains of non-queer penguins and eliminate the gay ones. Will parents be able to "cure" their gay toddlers in the future?... or perhaps even catch it in the womb? Will homophobic societies be allowed to abort their gay fetuses?

**RcOmK** · 06-07-2009, 04:50 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
</div></div>

based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is... </div></div>
Evan... the thing is, we are all normal. Being born gay is normal. It happens in many animal species, including we homo sapiens. Straight people can't call homosexuals "abnormal" because it IS normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual. For a society to call all those people that are born queer "abnormal" and to allow them to be persecuted is uncivilized. </div></div>

EXACTLY!

It's no different from choosing what race you are.

**Marielle** · 06-07-2009, 05:06 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

"Gandhi famously remarked that the way in which we treat minorities is the measure of civilization in a society. ...."

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-07-2009, 05:20 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marielle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Gandhi famously remarked that the way in which we treat minorities is the measure of civilization in a society. ...."

</div></div> Did you knoew tha Ghandi was a student of Marcus garveys teachings??

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-07-2009, 05:26 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RcOmK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
</div></div>

based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is... </div></div>
Evan... the thing is, we are all normal. Being born gay is normal. It happens in many animal species, including we homo sapiens. Straight people can't call homosexuals "abnormal" because it IS normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual. For a society to call all those people that are born queer "abnormal" and to allow them to be persecuted is uncivilized. </div></div>

EXACTLY!

It's no different from choosing what race you are.
</div></div> It's effect is very different though.
suince it all people sould become homesexual, the future of th esociety wuld be in jeperdy of being extinct. while if all people should become black, the human society woukld be just as strong. The majority od social exclusio9ns originally had some basis in preswervation. homosexualisn is one such. If we accept it as normal in s0ciety. It would mean that all pwersons could aspure tobecome like that, if eventually all sopciety did they would go the way of the religious sect the 'Shakers" they forbade reproduction. well they are only a few, but they are gone from theh face of teh earth in only a few centuiries.

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 05:40 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we accept it as normal in s0ciety. It would mean that all pwersons could aspure tobecome like that</div></div>But but homosexuality IS "normal in society."

And no one can "aspire" to become a homosexual. People can not change what turns them on erotically. Assuming you are straight Dr Dudd, can erotic images of gay people turn you on? Of course not. We can't choose. Human sexuality is spread along a bell curve from exclusively heterosexual to exclusive homosexual. No doctor/scientist will be changing that. Sexual orientation isn't a disease or choice, it is bred in the bone

**RcOmK** · 06-07-2009, 05:54 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RcOmK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Originally posted by evanovitch

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm saying that the animals are normal, and not "primitive." Im saying that societies that reject and persecute homosexuals are uncivilized and ignorant... also, cruel and violent.
</div></div>

based on that logic and its application ,(animal r normal n not 'primitive') since animals turn on the injured amongst dem , leave the runt of the pack to fend fi itself r die, wen men copy di behaviour(s), as they do, we should not count it as abhorrent behaviour an punish dem...so our court system etc needs to go

cause if man is to copy animals re attitude to homosexual behaviour den why stop wid dat example....

an no, it is not apples n orange , my argument, dat is... </div></div>
Evan... the thing is, we are all normal. Being born gay is normal. It happens in many animal species, including we homo sapiens. Straight people can't call homosexuals "abnormal" because it IS normal for a certain percentage of the population to be homosexual. For a society to call all those people that are born queer "abnormal" and to allow them to be persecuted is uncivilized. </div></div>

EXACTLY!

It's no different from choosing what race you are.
</div></div> It's effect is very different though.
suince it all people sould become homesexual, the future of th esociety wuld be in jeperdy of being extinct. while if all people should become black, the human society woukld be just as strong. The majority od social exclusio9ns originally had some basis in preswervation. homosexualisn is one such. If we accept it as normal in s0ciety. It would mean that all pwersons could aspure tobecome like that, if eventually all sopciety did they would go the way of the religious sect the 'Shakers" they forbade reproduction. well they are only a few, but they are gone from theh face of teh earth in only a few centuiries.

wow ... that is incredibly overboard... So far fetched; these two situations would never occur! The whole world would never be completely homosexual and the whole world would never be black; wow, talk about apples and oranges ... Maybe somewhere faaaaar in the future humanity might be a mix of several different races, but it won't be completely black.

Besides let's think about the world population. The world is already overpopulated, so imagine if the 10% to 13% of the adult population that is homosexual were in fact heterosexual; reproducing like the rest of the population instead of adopting less fortunate, and abandoned children. We would be having a much bigger problem with the environment, among many other things related to the high human population.

Point being: Homosexuality is, again, <span style="color: #009900">NATURAL</span>, and could help and has helped to serve as a <span style="color: #009900">NATURAL</span> population control.

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-07-2009, 05:56 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If we accept it as normal in s0ciety. It would mean that all pwersons could aspure tobecome like that</div></div>But but homosexuality IS "normal in society."

And no one can "aspire" to become a homosexual. People can not change what turns them on erotically. Assuming you are straight Dr Dudd, can erotic images of gay people turn you on? Of course not. We can't choose. Human sexuality is spread along a bell curve from exclusively heterosexual to exclusive homosexual. No doctor/scientist will be changing that. Sexual orientation isn't a disease or choice, it is bred in the bone </div></div> <span style="font-size: 11pt">Erotic images of neither sexual orientation turn me on.
i have to work intimately with all people in all st ages of mental and physical health. And don't think that women do not attempt to use their feminin
e skills with me in my practice too. In this field there are some emotions that you are trained to be detached from . sexual attraction is one of those.
I do not have sexual attraction. as such. I
have personal attraction to people and sexual attraction is really a very advance state of my interaction with people.
it is rare.
women that meet me without knowing my profession are usually intrigued with my reaction to behavior or eve statements they make.
fter they discover my profession, now they would blame my behavior on that.
Hey what can I do. It is what I do. </span>

**f0rTyLeGz** · 06-07-2009, 06:32 PM

Re: Homosexuals choose to be gay?

What you said was inaccurate, that is, people can not "aspire" to be homosexual. What were you trying to convey with that statement?

Homosexuals choose to be gay?

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