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Amazing video coming out of Iran.... watch to the end it is intense...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what would be the security response in most western countries to the actions of similar protesters. </div></div> If it was in the US or UK oit would never have come to that. Theywould have brought out the sSWAT and banned tghemedia and do what they normally do.
Wait how os it that the media killed the story about thewhite supremacist that murder the guard??
If he was black or Midfle eastern we woild still be payingfor itComment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Theywould have brought out the sSWAT and <span style="font-style: italic">banned tghemedia and do what they normally do.</span>
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where do you live. I can't remember the last riot in the US that was not covered in the media.
as an aside, looks like both sides were exchanging each other's rocks.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what would be the security response in most western countries to the actions of similar protesters. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what would be the security response in most western countries to the actions of similar protesters. </div></div>Well if the security Forces and the Government would have cracked down on peaceful protest there would be rioting, looting and mass demonstrations, then the lawsuits.
See: Dr. King assassination, Watts riot, Seattle WTO riot, Chicago Days of Rage, Rodney King Decision.Comment
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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Iranians send BBC demo footage</span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well if the security Forces and the Government would have cracked down on peaceful protest there would be rioting, looting and mass demonstrations, then the lawsuits.
See: Dr. King assassination, Watts riot, Seattle WTO riot, Chicago Days of Rage, Rodney King Decision. </div></div>
I think I asked the question just to get another viewpoint,in the west there tends to be a great deal of hypocrisy when it comes to how news like these are covered by the foreign press,especially the reaction to how the security approach to protests is reported.
We all know that similar protests in western countries are usually tackled with the full force of the state`s security machinery,here in the UK heavy handed approach by the police has resulted in deaths and a huge number of complaints of police brutality,...the latest strategy is to pen protesters into small areas for very long periods and keep them effectively under arrest by not letting anyone leave the area,even if they plead to go to the bathroom.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....the latest strategy is to pen protesters into small areas for very long periods and keep them effectively under arrest by not letting anyone leave the area,even if they plead to go to the bathroom. </div></div>
Cone now <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Netural</span> I think the Iranians would gladly wet themselves and vote for the British Policy of not letting them use the loo, compared to what is going on now.
Notice the Iranians are unarmed, except for rocks and the protest went through days of sometimes silent protest marches, compared to the recent British and USA Protest where weapons were stockpiled and violent strategies we mapped out by a significant section of the potential protestors.
I think Iranian Authorities are making a huge mistake, the Iranians are going to realize that they are being far too polite with the State and the next time they are going to be fore-armed since they have being forewarned that the State is going to use violence at the first sign of any protest.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...the latest strategy is to pen protesters into small areas for very long periods and keep them effectively under arrest by not letting anyone leave the area,even if they plead to go to the bathroom. </div></div>
Me not surprised. Them did that back in '89 in Virgina Beach (during the Greek Picnic). The National Guard penned us into a tennis court and other confined areas and we the students were forced to go to the bathroom right there. It was disgusting.Comment
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think Iranian Authorities are making a huge mistake, the Iranians are going to realize that they are being far too polite with the State and the next time they are going to be fore-armed since they have being forewarned that the State is going to use violence at the first sign of any protest. </div></div>
To be honest tuffgong I dont think the protesters have a legitimate beef,and I tend to think that protests of this nature are usually fuelled by "outside interests" bent on fermenting unrest to create instability and topple ahmahjinedad.
The west was always going to feel bitter at an ahmajinedad`s victory,and I really dont think some of the "protesters" are legitimate.Comment
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Iran lashes out at Western interference in election affairs
www.chinaview.cn 2009-06-21 22:24:05 Print
by Xinhua writer Liang Youchang
TEHRAN, June 21 (Xinhua) -- Iranian officials have lashed out at some Western countries, particularly Britain and the United States, over their "interference" in Iran's election affairs as the country has been hit by post-vote unrest.
In his speech to foreign diplomats in Tehran on Sunday, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki was "highly critical of some Western countries, specifically France, Germany, Britain and the U.S., for their inappropriate, illogical and interfering words."
Mottaki also pointed out "an inflooding of British intelligence officials ahead of the election" into Iran, the English-language satellite channel Press TV reported.
The Iranian Foreign Minister insisted that Iran's election process and the whole observing structure make the possibility of any irregularities or vote rigging "close to zero."
Mottaki also criticized some foreign media outlets and television channels for beating "the drums of war" in their reports of Iran's post-election disputes.
The correspondent for the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) in Iran, Jon Leyne, has been ordered to leave the country within 24 hours, Iran's Fars news agency reported Sunday.
Leyne was expelled under the charges of, among other things, making fabricated news reports and supporting rioters, Fars said.
His expulsion came one day after Iran accused Voice of America (VOA) and the BBC of stirring up unrest in the country amid a dispute over the recent presidential election.
The two news outlets sought to stir up ethnic discord across Iran in the hope of fomenting the country's disintegration, Press TV quoted Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi as saying on Saturday.
"The channels act as command posts engineering the ongoing post-election riots," Qashqavi said.
Since disputes broke out after Iran's June 12 presidential election, the Western governments have been demanding Iran to allow peaceful protests and ensure a fair result.
On June 13, Iran's Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli announced Ahmadinejad won 62.63 percent of the total ballots on June 12, while his main rival Mir-Hossein Mousavi got 33.75 percent.
After the official declaration, Mousavi protested "strongly" the "obvious" violations in Iran's presidential election. He also appealed to the Guardian Council for a cancellation of the election result.
Mousavi's supporters have participated in massive rallies in Tehran and other cities over the past days.
On Saturday, Iran's police used tear gas and water cannons to disperse demonstrators at a main square of Tehran in the latest violent clash between protestors and security forces.
Press TV reported on Sunday that thirteen people were killed in clashes between Iranian police and "terrorist groups" on Saturday as unrest hit Tehran amid disputes over the recent presidential election.
Press TV said "rioters" set two gas stations on fire and attacked a military post.
However, Iran's state television said Sunday that 10 people were killed and more than 100 others were wounded during the unrest in Tehran on Saturday.
A mosque was also set on fire, but nobody was killed in the incident.
The official IRNA news agency reported on Sunday that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has urged the United States and Britain to stop intervening in its domestic affairs as the country has been hit by post-election unrest.
Addressing a group of clerics on Saturday evening, Ahmadinejad "urged Western states, particularly the United States and Britain, to change their policies of intervening in Iran's domestic affairs," IRNA said.
"Condemning interference of certain foreign states in Iran's domestic affairs, the president reiterated that the Iranian nation would not consider such governments as its own friends," IRNA reported.
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Friday accused some Western countries and media of trying to create political rift and social chaos in Iran by discrediting the "victorious" election.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To be honest tuffgong I dont think the protesters have a legitimate beef,and I tend to think that protests of this nature are usually fuelled by "outside interests" bent on fermenting unrest to create instability and topple ahmahjinedad.
The west was always going to feel bitter at an ahmajinedad`s victory,and I really dont think some of the "protesters" are legitimate. </div></div>
Wow! This is the most legitimate protest of the year, not because I know for sure that numbers were rigged, but because it started with the Iranian People and the West to its credit have basically left it alone.
Some Western Countries had already accepted the results as soon as it was announced, signaling their willingness to let Iranians decide. The USA has even said it will continue to negotiate with any winner or any party declared a winner.
As to Mahmoud Ahmajinedad the guy is complete tool and I had predicted long ago that the USA needed to negotiate with and help Iran modernized otherwise it is going to be catastrophic. This was before Barack was elected and I repeated it right after he was elected. Iran even with it oil reserves is in deep trouble with its infrastructure, it only stability came from it Government and now that is threatened as the protest and the crackdown continues.
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<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">NEWSWEEK REPORTER ARRESTED IN IRAN</span>
Guardian Council Admits: More Votes Than Voters... Vote-Rigging Charges Backed Up By British Analysis... Rafsanjani's Daughter Freed After Arrest... Video Below: Paramilitaries Conduct Home Invasions At Night... Injured Arrested At Hospitals... More Deaths Reported...Comment
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not to mention the significant overseas persian populations who would like nothing more than to repeal the revolutions' advances...NPR had a recent call in segment in which lots of Iranians called in, one particularly moving call was from an Iranian professor who fled the country in the face of the islamic revolution. She said when she got here she was 'shocked' at the way women had it. Now she just wants what was hers back in her own country.
something I did not know was that a lot of voting took place even in the US.Comment
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