Michael Jackson died

**rudemonk** · 06-26-2009, 06:35 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MGee</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

there are some days when i just need to play watchtower by hendrix. </div></div>

a song recently used to fuse together the Battlestar Galactica series, very cool treatment and haunting lyrics.

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-26-2009, 06:45 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what... I don't remember anyone in Jamaica or abroad speaking ill of him when he died.. </div></div>

You are a liar on this very board it comes up all the time.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Whether it is a question of his getting so-called breaks because he was half-white,</span>
or if he paid his debts fully to those who helped him, if he was a real Ras, whether he was black enough, his philandering...you are just a petty little whining liar who consistently twist the facts to suit your audience. </div></div> Mr Blackwell himself stated that in the Gleaner weeks after we discussed it on here. He stated that His first choice was Jimmy Cliff, but because he was black he could not make the break through. They chose Bob and separated him from his fellow wailers and he opened for A Rock band and stole the show. Not only that but in the early 80"s MTV refused to play Michael Jackson. It was after his manager threatened to withdraw every other client and go public to explain why that MTV aquiseient to it.
So don't let racism affect you, leave it to those who feels it.

**Dr.Dudd** · 06-26-2009, 06:49 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cho man that is uncalled for. make your case widout the person slights

was this board around in 1981? </div></div>

Did you ignore his offence?
No the board was not around in 81 but Bob is dead and I am replying in the vein that he poses the question.
</div></div>Tuffy you know that we know that you always start pwersonal attacks and then when called onit make claims that cannot be substantiated about what others do. what up with that?

**Shine_Eye_Girl** · 06-26-2009, 06:56 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cho man that is uncalled for. make your case widout the person slights

was this board around in 1981? </div></div>

Did you ignore his offence?
No the board was not around in 81 but Bob is dead and I am replying in the vein that he poses the question.
</div></div>Tuffy you know that we know that you always start pwersonal attacks and then when called onit make claims that cannot be substantiated about what others do. what up with that? </div></div>

Fi real....always...den gwine like him no ovastand why....

**Seveen** · 06-26-2009, 07:16 PM

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i was glad when bob opened his own thing

and did his own album on his own label

before that - i felt he was being ripped off

along with jimmy cliff, peter tosh

and chris blackwell and his "resorts"

don't get a dime from me

**Tropicana** · 06-26-2009, 07:21 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phatty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read my lips....I don't cuss, and I don't chew and I don't go with boys that do. </div></div>

How about you lose yuh cool, you don't like drool and you only go out with boys that like to sc- Can I say that?

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Yes I do lose my cool when it is warranted.

Get your mind out a de guttah! "Chew" refers to chewing tobacco.... <span style="font-style: italic">I thought ALL Americans knew about that. </span>

BTW, who are you anyway? Is de fus mi evah buck up pon you. Wha' mek you call mi name?

**Phatty** · 06-26-2009, 07:24 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phatty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tropicana</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read my lips....I don't cuss, and I don't chew and I don't go with boys that do. </div></div>

How about you lose yuh cool, you don't like drool and you only go out with boys that like to sc- Can I say that?

</div></div>

Yes I do lose my cool when it is warranted.

Get your mind out a de guttah! "Chew" refers to chewing tobacco.... <span style="font-style: italic">I thought ALL Americans knew about that. </span>

BTW, who are you anyway. Is de fus mi evah buck up pon you. Wha' mek you call mi name? </div></div>

You know wah it's soooo true we never spoke before

If yuh know mi yuh will know seh yuh cyaa save mi mind from di gutta but then again that's a different thread

**Seveen** · 06-26-2009, 07:25 PM

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phatty soon on ignore

like the rest of us

except the men

**Phatty** · 06-26-2009, 07:26 PM

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**rudemonk** · 06-26-2009, 07:57 PM

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Why it took MTV so long to play black music videos
Jet, Oct 9, 2006
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Music TeleVision (MTV) hit America's airwaves with a sonic boom 25 years ago. The pioneering cable television network also received a deafening tongue-lashing from a super ticked Rick James, who publicly declared it "blatant racism" when MTV refused to air his Super Freak video and other videos by Black artists because they didn't fit the network's rock-dominated format.

"A lot of Black asses are going to come together and explode on MTV," James said in 1983. "There are no Blacks on MTV's program list except for Tina Turner, and she stopped being Black about 10 years ago. MTV puts on little White punk groups who don't even have record deals. Blacks are missing exposure and sales."

Modeled after Top 40 radio, MTV's video playlist had a meager few Black videos in 1981. Most of its early videos came from England where music videos were already common.

Eddy Grant, Musical Youth and Joan Armatrading were some of the Black artists from that country whose videos were shown during MTV's inception. Tina Turner, Jon Butcher Axis, The Bus Boys and Donna Summer were some of the other Black artists whose videos were shown because their music fit the format.

James, whose music helped define "punk funk," fought for two years to have more Black videos shown on MTV. ABC's "Nightline" featured his much publicized crusade. But the outspoken performer, who died in 2004, became agitated because it seemed as though he was on the battlefield's front line alone.

"I'm a crusader without an army," James said. "All these Black artists claim they're behind me, but when it's time to make a public statement, you can't find them ... They're going to let me do all the rapping and get into trouble and then they'll reap the benefits."

Other artists did, however, agree with James and spoke up. During an on-air interview in 1983, music icon David Bowie suddenly asked, "Why are there practically no Black artists on the network?" Bowie, the husband of model Iman, who gave the late Luther Vandross his first professional break in 1974 as a backup singer, left VJ Mark Goodman fishing for words.

MTV's current president, Christina Norman, who is Black, and Brian Graden, head of programming, could not be reached for comment about the network's early exclusionary practices.

Les Garland, co-founder and originator of MTV, VH1, and The Box, was available and ready to talk.

"There was a shortage of Black videos by urban artists," says Garland, now president/CEO of The Tube Music Network. "The success of this AOR (album-oriented rock) format in radio certainly had its influence on MTV. But, there were no music videos. They weren't being made. We had nothing to pick from.

"Fifty percent of my time was spent in the early days of MTV convincing artists to make music videos and convincing record labels to put up money to make those videos because this was a whole new area of expense that they never had before. MTV put music on television and it began to work. It began breaking artists."

The video for Super Freak, recalls Garland, was not aired because, "Its contents was a little over the top for us, and our standards and practices wouldn't go for it because of the content of the visuals. It had nothing to do with the song. It had nothing to do with him. It was a little over the top for us back then. Then he went on that whole tirade."

Buzz Brindle, MTV's early director of music programming who reported to Garland, defended the network's early format then and does so now.

"The point I always made was that MTV was originally designed to be a rock music channel," he says. "It was difficult for MTV to find African-American artists whose music fit the channel's format that leaned toward rock at the outset."

Ed Lover, former co-host of the groundbreaking "Yo! MTV Raps," told JET he disagreed.

"The name of your station is music television and hot rock music television," says Ed Lover, now a radio personality at New York's Power 105.1. "If you would have come out with a station called RMTV, rock music television, then you could make that claim. But if you're saying music, music is music. If you're going to show music videos, show all music videos."

When Michael Jackson's record label submitted his video for Billie Jean in 1983, it changed how the network excluded videos. Garland was the man who made the decision to air Billie Jean, though it didn't fit the formula.

<span style="font-weight: bold">"There was never any hesitation. No fret," says Garland, dispelling the "myth" that Jackson's record label threatened to pull all of its videos if Billie Jean was not shown. "I called Bob (Pittman, MTV co-founder) to tell him, 'I just saw the greatest video I've ever seen in my life. It is off the dial it's so good.' We added it that day. How (the myth) turned into a story literally blew our minds."</span>

Fab 5 Freddy, the original host of "Yo! MTV Raps," the first nationally broadcast hip-hop show, said, "I'm sure what Rick did by making a little noise helped them realize they weren't doing the right thing. Music in America starts with Black people. It was a very obvious omission that we weren't there. That's something that had to be addressed. I was happy to see MTV step up big time."

there is more...

**evanovitch** · 06-26-2009, 08:06 PM

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u know dat smaddy gwine now come seh wat dem heard even widdout reading di article?

**Tuff Gong** · 06-26-2009, 08:22 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what... I don't remember anyone in Jamaica or abroad speaking ill of him when he died.. </div></div>

You are a liar on this very board it comes up all the time.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Whether it is a question of his getting so-called breaks because he was half-white,</span>
or if he paid his debts fully to those who helped him, if he was a real Ras, whether he was black enough, his philandering...you are just a petty little whining liar who consistently twist the facts to suit your audience. </div></div> Mr Blackwell himself stated that in the Gleaner weeks after we discussed it on here. He stated that His first choice was Jimmy Cliff, but because he was black he could not make the break through. They chose Bob and separated him from his fellow wailers and he opened for A Rock band and stole the show. Not only that but in the early 80"s MTV refused to play Michael Jackson. It was after his manager threatened to withdraw every other client and go public to explain why that MTV aquiseient to it.
So don't let racism affect you, leave it to those who feels it. </div></div>

My friend why are you twisting my freaking words?
Idiot were we discussing racism or were we talking about what was said about Bob and now Michael in death?
Here you are freaking admitting that yes we have discussed Bob's breaks on this borad, how is this supposed to be contradicting what I wrote are you that <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">stupid</span> or just <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">dishonest</span>?
How ******** you know that racism never affected me?
Has it ever affected you, if so state when?
What kind of a crazy freaking bltch are you to just sit at home by your freaking computer to make up chit and pass judgment?

**britisha** · 06-26-2009, 08:25 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what... I don't remember anyone in Jamaica or abroad speaking ill of him when he died.. </div></div>

You are a liar on this very board it comes up all the time.
Whether it is a question of his getting so-called breaks because he was half-white, or if he paid his debts fully to those who helped him, if he was a real Ras, whether he was black enough, his philandering...you are just a petty little whining liar who consistently twist the facts to suit your audience. </div></div>

True, dem even chat bout the poor man's MOTHER in very negative and condescending terms...talk bout hypocrites, including those who HAVE A PROBLEM WITH READING COMPREHENSION :

WL::

**Tuff Gong** · 06-26-2009, 08:27 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">cho man that is uncalled for. make your case widout the person slights

was this board around in 1981? </div></div>

Did you ignore his offence?
No the board was not around in 81 but Bob is dead and I am replying in the vein that he poses the question.
</div></div>Tuffy you know that we know that you always start pwersonal attacks and then when called onit make claims that cannot be substantiated about what others do. what up with that? </div></div>You were the first freaking member of this board that attacked me personally. You never fail to attack almost every new member that make a post on this board, especially women. If members like you continue to attack me personal and to take my words out of context I will defend myself in the nastiest way possible. So ******** continue down that path and see what happens.

**britisha** · 06-26-2009, 08:28 PM

Re: Michael Jackson DEAD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: More4us</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, Bob Marley was not perfect either. He had his issues like everyone else. I started listening to Bob's music more deeply when he died than when he was alive. I don't consider myself a Bob Marley "fan" in the way some people go all crazy over a celeb... but

You know what... I don't remember anyone in Jamaica or abroad speaking ill of him when he died - fans or not. I guess it was frowned upon then to speak ill of his death even if some were his enemies????
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i'm a big big fan of the music of bob marley AND michael jackson

and way before they died </div></div>
I listen to Bob's music and my only regret was I didn't get the opportunity to listen to it in depth as I did when he died as to when he was alive. I was quite young when Bob was in his prime so my opportunity to listen to his music came when I was grown and had the freedom to obtain and listen to what I wanted in my own pad.

Better to be late than never

As for Michael I admire his craft a skilled and talented entertainer/singer. I wouldn't exactly blast his music in my car sound system while cruising down the road the same way I would do Bob's. Nevertheless MJ is a genius.
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