Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My disposition contrasts </div></div>
is that of a baldfaced liar.

The end indeed.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My source told me man went to the moon in the 1980s. </div></div>
If so, then your source is also a liar.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So, stick to running around naked in the forest and stop insulting people just because they disagree with you.</div></div>
Another lie... although it's a funny lie.

A lie, nonetheless.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I haven't seen any proof of anything. Neither has Witchy. </div></div>
When are you going to quit lying about this?

YOU know nothing at all about me personally, nor about my family's friends.


Nor do you know if I <span style="text-decoration: underline">do</span> have a moon rock on my coffee table, come to it.

You've never been here.
You've never seen pix of my living room.

There are j'commers who have been here (but you aren't one of them), and may have been in my lving room... I know they've been here to my house, for a summer BBQ. I don't recall who exactly went into my house to use the bathroom or something, whenever I hosted a BBQ... not something I tend to keep track of.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Have you ever spoken to a Russian about Apollo? </div></div>
I certainly have.

I AM of Russian descent. I'm a second-generation American.

And NONE of the Russians I've ever met - relatives of mine or not - have ever said such a stupid and silly thing as you claim your Russian friends have. Not in seriousness, anyhow.

Can you even speak Russian?

Do you even understand Russian culture or humor?

I can just imagine the belly laughs going on behind your back after you proved yourself so gullible as to believe it when they told you that Americans never walked on the moon - only Russians did. LMAO
That's something my grandfather would have pulled on an unsuspecting non-Russian buddy... BOAL

There really is a sucker born every minute.
P.T. Barnum was so right!

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fct of the matter the basic engineering of getting to the moon is simple.. it is newtonian mechanics combined with Euclidian Calculus... I could do most of the basic calculations.. any average A'level physis student until the 80's did most of it... the most basic being the calculation for escape velocity.. it used to be a standard a'lvel question.. comparing this for various plannets..In A'level highr maths you calcuylate the trajectories....

Coomputing power ???? Log tables and slide rules.. doing calculations on a bit of paper.. engineers stll use a pad and pencil....

Rocket mechanics in simple momentun on which gravitational forces act on.. in fact the computing required is less difficult to fire a torpedo from a moving sub in WWII aiming it at moving ship.. In fact the under the islamic reneciance the calculations were already made..... look at the trajectories.....



So all that was left was rocketry Von Brawn deployment of the experimenat post VII rockets with the idea of multi stages could be done.... So getting to the moon aint that tough.. getting back that was the challenge.... the beauty was in the logistics... parking the lunar orbitter in space.. disposable components.... Here was teh main dificultty getting a fuel to burn in a non oxygen enviroment So they to give the lift off from the moon.. in space the correction by the use of jetted gasses can do course correction... but to fling they had to carry their own oxygen..


Te russians courl habe orbitted teh moon, they set out the week beofer and their rocket exploded... they did not have the technology for the lift off the ;ander off the moon.. they grabbed teh wrong germans ...

oh and there is a reason why the recordings went missing... the landing was supposed to be automated but the computer went down.. and they Neil Armstrong landed it manual... they over used fuel and there was some doubt wheret ther was a enough to do a lift off.. there was a basic cluster at the end... and the conversations were raterh tense... they were about to abort the lanfing in fact but because they were unsure about the Russia ns state of play they went ahead.. All of this is on the recod and it was released ten years ago...
You know what I think ??? to few people do basic mechanics... the maths are less complex than a snipers shot calculation....

Ohh and why the flag waved ??? it was on kitchen foil type material.....Jamaicas contribution to the space program.... it was made from yard dut!

the engineering is simpler that the engineering to seperate U238 from U236... or the engineering calculations to do the collasible foot ball configeration on fat boy... or getting the simulataneous explosions perfect in the first atomic bombs.. now teh engineering maths for that is pheonmial.. aand to do that by long land is beyond me....yet the manhatehn project happened and was successful....

what it required was 4% if the us buget for over three decades.... </div></div>
Basic and simple for people with working brains, Wahalla..... not so basic and simple for those who don't have two brain cells to rub together OR who shut their brains down and refuse to use them.

I already told them that I was one of those high school students who could do the calculations with no more technology than they had in the 1960s. I stated where I went to school, as proof of the Project SPARC program. I think I stated when I attended, but if I didn't, I attended Northeast High in 1976-1979. And Woodrow Wilson Junior High, just down Cottman Avenue, before that, from 1973-1976. Except Wilson is now a Middle School - not a Junior High School. There's plenty of media records of the doings of high school students at that particular magnet school from 1962 (IIRC). <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY smart high school student can place people on the moon, given the correct amount of money.</span> It's only the dummies, and those who wish not to believe all of the proof that exists, who can't do it.

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: f0rTyLeGz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what about the astronauts that were killed? suspicious (even his wife agreed)...
what about the fact neil armstrong never gave any interviews? weird

it sounds silly but the most striking thing to me was when they asked them if they saw stars &amp; they couldn't agree or remember if they did...
this blew me away;
also the films of the lunar module taking off from the moon looks so completely fake it's not even funny;

to this day no manned flight has gone as far as the van-allen radiation belt...if it is so harmless, why is this?

i can't prove they didn't but they have not proved to me they have;
the clip of the astronaut getting up without any help is pretty damning too...i posted the video earlier in this thread </div></div>
I realize you arent going to change your mind. All of your questions have been answered. The little point Im trying to make is that the US poured over a trillion dollars in a few short years into getting men on the Moon. The men who were in charge of this endeavor were all from the Great Generation who had fought in WW2 and Korea. They had tremendous careers and a huge amount of money and hope and good will. There is no way that they would have exposed themselves, their legacy, or the reputation of the country, on a made for TV landing on the Moon. </div></div>

yes you are right-
i have not changed my mind;
saying &quot;there's no way&quot; they would have risked it is not a convincing argument since the man who was president during EVERY supposed moon landing risked his presidency and entire career on dishonest dealings, tricky dick nixon- he worked for decades to become president but risked it &amp; lost it over deception &amp; coverup, so that's not a good enough argument;
i can't shake the fact that this man was the prez during every single supposed moon walk...
and why are they 'the great generation'?
great compared to who? wasn't segregated armed forces also during these 'great' ones reign?

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">The fct of the matter the basic engineering of getting to the moon is simple.. </span>it is newtonian mechanics combined with Euclidian Calculus... I could do most of the basic calculations.. any average A'level physis student until the 80's did most of it... the most basic being the calculation for escape velocity.. it used to be a standard a'lvel question.. comparing this for various plannets..In A'level highr maths you calcuylate the trajectories....

</div></div>



so simple that the soviets who were a decade ahead of america in space travel never accomplished it?
or anyone else for that matter...
what's so simple about it?

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wahalla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fct of the matter the basic engineering of getting to the moon is simple.. it is newtonian mechanics combined with Euclidian Calculus... I could do most of the basic calculations.. any average A'level physis student until the 80's did most of it... the most basic being the calculation for escape velocity.. it used to be a standard a'lvel question.. comparing this for various plannets..In A'level highr maths you calcuylate the trajectories....

Coomputing power ???? Log tables and slide rules.. doing calculations on a bit of paper.. engineers stll use a pad and pencil....

Rocket mechanics in simple momentun on which gravitational forces act on.. in fact the computing required is less difficult to fire a torpedo from a moving sub in WWII aiming it at moving ship.. In fact the under the islamic reneciance the calculations were already made..... look at the trajectories.....



So all that was left was rocketry Von Brawn deployment of the experimenat post VII rockets with the idea of multi stages could be done.... So getting to the moon aint that tough.. getting back that was the challenge.... the beauty was in the logistics... parking the lunar orbitter in space.. disposable components.... Here was teh main dificultty getting a fuel to burn in a non oxygen enviroment So they to give the lift off from the moon.. in space the correction by the use of jetted gasses can do course correction... but to fling they had to carry their own oxygen..


Te russians courl habe orbitted teh moon, they set out the week beofer and their rocket exploded... they did not have the technology for the lift off the ;ander off the moon.. they grabbed teh wrong germans ...

oh and there is a reason why the recordings went missing... the landing was supposed to be automated but the computer went down.. and they Neil Armstrong landed it manual... they over used fuel and there was some doubt wheret ther was a enough to do a lift off.. there was a basic cluster at the end... and the conversations were raterh tense... they were about to abort the lanfing in fact but because they were unsure about the Russia ns state of play they went ahead.. All of this is on the recod and it was released ten years ago...
You know what I think ??? to few people do basic mechanics... the maths are less complex than a snipers shot calculation....

Ohh and why the flag waved ??? it was on kitchen foil type material.....Jamaicas contribution to the space program.... it was made from yard dut!

the engineering is simpler that the engineering to seperate U238 from U236... or the engineering calculations to do the collasible foot ball configeration on fat boy... or getting the simulataneous explosions perfect in the first atomic bombs.. now teh engineering maths for that is pheonmial.. aand to do that by long land is beyond me....yet the manhatehn project happened and was successful....

what it required was 4% if the us buget for over three decades.... </div></div>
Basic and simple for people with working brains, Wahalla..... not so basic and simple for those who don't have two brain cells to rub together OR who shut their brains down and refuse to use them.

I already told them that I was one of those high school students who could do the calculations with no more technology than they had in the 1960s. I stated where I went to school, as proof of the Project SPARC program. I think I stated when I attended, but if I didn't, I attended Northeast High in 1976-1979. And Woodrow Wilson Junior High, just down Cottman Avenue, before that, from 1973-1976. Except Wilson is now a Middle School - not a Junior High School. There's plenty of media records of the doings of high school students at that particular magnet school from 1962 (IIRC). <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY smart high school student can place people on the moon, given the correct amount of money.</span> It's only the dummies, and those who wish not to believe all of the proof that exists, who can't do it.
</div></div>



so if high school students can do it why has the mighty russians or no one else including the technological &amp; economic giants japan &amp; germany accomplish it in 40 years...it should be apiece of cake now;

you speak as if you have been there yourself;
i hope if the truth comes out &amp; if it turns out you were wrong you will accept the 'dummy' label as quickly as you dish it out...

[jah_yout]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">Mars must be the new goal, Aldrin says</span></span>
Published: July 18, 2009, 22:55
Forty years ago this week, Neil Armstrong, Mike Collins and Buzz Aldrin began their quarter-million-mile journey through the blackness of space to reach the moon.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Yet today, no nation - <span style="font-weight: bold">including America</span> - is capable of sending anyone beyond Earth's orbit, much less deeper into space.</span>

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/U.S.A/10332758.html

Correct me if I'm wrong or stupid, but I conclude from that sentence: they could get to the moon 40 years ago using primitive technology, but can't get there today with ultra-modern technology?

Where's the kissteet smiley? </div></div>

seet yah

joke ting

[RichD]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

I was jus reading dat around the same time as the Americans the Russians had landed a unmanned craft on the moon and deployed a little exploration robot.

[jah_yout]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">Mars must be the new goal, Aldrin says</span></span>
Published: July 18, 2009, 22:55
Forty years ago this week, Neil Armstrong, Mike Collins and Buzz Aldrin began their quarter-million-mile journey through the blackness of space to reach the moon.

<span style="font-size: 17pt">Yet today, no nation - <span style="font-weight: bold">including America</span> - is capable of sending anyone beyond Earth's orbit, much less deeper into space.</span>

http://www.gulfnews.com/world/U.S.A/10332758.html

Correct me if I'm wrong or stupid, but I conclude from that sentence: they could get to the moon 40 years ago using primitive technology, but can't get there today with ultra-modern technology?

Where's the kissteet smiley? </div></div>

seet yah

joke ting </div></div>

the rest of that article also interesting:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">For the past four years, Nasa has been on a path to resume lunar exploration with people, duplicating (in a more complicated fashion) what was done four decades ago. But Aldrin believes this approach - called the 'Vision for Space Exploration' - is not visionary. </span>
:/In a comment article, Aldrin proposes a new Unified Space Vision focusing on a human colony on Mars.</div></div>

i'll be watching this with binoculars

[jah_yout]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was jus reading dat around the same time as the Americans the Russians had landed a unmanned craft on the moon and deployed a little exploration robot. </div></div>

never heard that one...did they beam any photos or videos back?

[RichD]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?


<span style="font-weight: bold">Russian spacecraft landed on moon hours before Americans</span>
A previously unheard recording of a Russian spacecraft attempting to beat NASA's Apollo 11 in 1969's race to the moon has been released.


Published: 8:00AM BST 04 Jul 2009
Russian spacecraft landed on moon hours before Americans
The recordings from Jodrell's Lovell radio telescope, which were hidden in archives until researchers found them, show the Russian craft orbited the Moon and crash-landed onto its surface at 15:50 on July 21 - just a few hours before the Americans lifted Photo: AP

In July 1969, the telescopes at the Jodrell Bank Observatory, in Cheshire, were tracking the Americans' Eagle Lander carrying astronauts towards the moon's surface.

Sir Bernard Lovell, the astronomer, was among the team listening to transmissions coming from the area of space and began tracking the unmanned Soviet spacecraft Luna 15, which was trying to collect samples of lunar soil and rock and then return to Earth before the US mission.



The recordings from Jodrell's Lovell radio telescope, which were hidden in archives until researchers found them, show the Russian craft orbited the Moon and crash-landed onto its surface at 15:50 on July 21 – just a few hours before the Americans lifted off.

In the newly released recordings, which were made over three days, Sir Bernard, the founder of Jodrell Bank, can be heard narrating events with conversation from the Apollo 11 astronauts in the background.

Sir Bernard notes a change in the orbit of Luna 15 to take it closer to the US landing site and later reports a rumour from a &quot;well-informed source in Moscow&quot; that the craft is about to land.

People in Jodrell's control room can then be heard shouting &quot;it's landing&quot; and &quot;it's going down much too fast&quot; as they track Luna 15's final moments before it crashes.

A voice is later heard saying: &quot;I say, this has really been drama of the highest order.&quot;

The recordings have been released by The University of Manchester's Jodrell Bank Centre for Astrophysics to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the Moon landings.

[RichD]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

<span style="font-weight: bold">Russia still blue over moon landing 40 years later
</span>
By JIM HEINTZ (AP) – 4 days ago

MOSCOW — When Neil Armstrong stepped onto the surface of the moon, it was a first for the Soviet Union — the first time the U.S. had beaten the U.S.S.R in the space race. Forty years later, the memory of that loss of primacy still seems to sting the Russian soul. <span style="font-weight: bold">When state TV channel Rossiya reported last week on the restoration of video footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing, the account gave a lot of attention to dubious conspiracy theories that the landing was faked.</span>

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;In the United States, more than anywhere else, they are sure of the believability of the steps on the moon,&quot; the report said, adding that Armstrong keeps a very low profile. &quot;This also seems strange to many people.&quot;</span>

For a dozen years before the July 20, 1969, moon landing, Moscow racked up an extraordinary array of superlatives. It was the first to send a craft into orbit, with the Sputnik satellite in 1957. The first human to go into outer space was Russian Yuri Gagarin in 1961. Moscow sent the woman into space, Valentina Tereshkova in 1963; and Alexei Leonov was the first person to venture outside a spacecraft into the endless cosmos, in 1965.

Russia even got to the moon first when the unmanned Luna 2 crashed in 1959. But the drama of the first human footprint on an extraterrestrial body eclipsed everything the Soviets had worked so hard to achieve.

&quot;Beginning with the first flight with a primitive capsule, and then getting to the moon, it was a great achievement for humanity,&quot; Russian astronaut Sergei Krikalev said.

&quot;Of course, we would have liked to see the first man on the moon be Soviet, Russian, but that's life ... Our own achievements were very many,&quot; he told Associated Press Television News.

In the 40 years since the Apollo 11 landing, the USSR and Russia, which inherited the Soviet legacy, shot ahead of the United States occasionally only to fall further behind.

The Soviet Union put the first space station into orbit with the Salyut 1 in 1971. However, the first crew couldn't get aboard because of docking problems. Another three-man crew later got aboard, but died when a valve failed on the capsule bringing them back to Earth.

Then there was the Mir -- the first space station fit for long-term habitation. It achieved early glory. But that quickly faded after 1991, when the Soviet collapse choked off funding for the space program and the Mir suffered a series of accidents, including a collision and fires that tuned it into a symbol of danger and decay.

Earthlings scanned the sky nervously on the day in 2001 when the 140-ton craft plunged to its fiery end. Luckily, it landed in the Pacific Ocean.

In recent years, Russia's space program has earned as a workhorse rather than a racehorse — reliable, cooperative, even stolid.

Its cramped Soyuz manned capsules and unmanned Progress cargo ships had already served as the lifeline to the International Space Station for more than two years when the United States grounded its space shuttles in 2003, after the Columbia disintegrated on re-entry. The Russian space program will once again be the gatekeepers to the orbiting laboratory in 2010, when the shuttle fleet is grounded for good.

That doesn't mean Russia has lost its ambitions for primacy in space.

The U.S. is busy planning to replace the shuttles. But last year, Russia awarded contracts for design of its own next-generation spaceship to replace the Soyuz. The competing efforts could trigger a new space race.

Russian space officials meanwhile still seem to be dreaming about winning the next stage of the space race.

They keep talk in tantalizing terms about mounting a manned mission to Mars, although they say that would take at least another 20 years to get off the ground.

&quot;I think this is fine. It's like sports — at one stage one person wins, at another it's somebody else,&quot; said Krikalev.

[RichD]

Re: Will somebody kindly explain this strange sentence to me?

check this link:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990109.html