Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
so if high school students can do it why has the mighty russians or no one else including the technological &amp; economic giants japan &amp; germany accomplish it in 40 years...it should be apiece of cake now;</div></div>
It is &quot;a piece of cake&quot; technologically.

What about &quot;m-o-n-e-y&quot; do you not grasp mentally?

What about &quot;not financially feasible&quot; don't you 'get'?

No one is going to spend that kind of money to do what is not financially worth doing.

No government is going to spend that kind of money with no cost-benefit to them.

It is simply not financially feasible, and I've already said why.
If it's not financially feassible for the USA, it is not for Japan or Russia (joke dat) or Germany or anybody else.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
you speak as if you have been there yourself;</div></div>
Another lie. A stupid lie, too.

Reading simple text written in simple English answers that.

I'm quite sure I've made plain whether or not I've been there yet.

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits


To the people still posting and repostig the comment about the USA not being able to put anyone on the moon today..... do you usually get our information about American abilities from Dubai?!

Did unnu know that that <span style="text-decoration: line-through">propaganda piece</span> &quot;news report&quot; came from Dubai?


RichD - Lunokhod was <span style="text-decoration: underline">after</span> our men walked on the moon, so I'm not sure what our point is?

Did you ifnd any links to show it's wheels (or any other part of it) in motion, by any chance?
Lunokhod looked awfully 19th-centur-ish -- until you watched in in operation.

Also, Rich, every single article you posted uses one key word about the Russians' attempts: <span style="font-weight: bold">crash(ed)</span>.

They kept crashing. They didn't land on the surface of the moon beofre Apollo 11 did; they landed <span style="font-style: italic">some 10 feet or so down into the lunar surface</span>. They crashed. Apollo 11 didn't crash.

There is a difference between landing and crashing, y'know... and you need not take MY word for it - ask Magic about that very important difference!

[neutral]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

All I have to say is I dont believe for one minute they went to the moon,there is still far too much evidence to the contrary,none of which has been rationallly disproved.

In any case,even if men landed on the moon,so freaking what,what`s the big deal,people from other planets have been landing on earth for years,.........some of whom are members of this very board.

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[What about &quot;m-o-n-e-y&quot; do you not grasp mentally?

What about &quot;not financially feasible&quot; don't you 'get'?

No one is going to spend that kind of money to do what is not financially worth doing.

No government is going to spend that kind of money with no cost-benefit to them.

</div></div>

so it was economically feasible to go SIX times in FOUR years while fighting a costly war, but too expensive to go in the subsequent forty years since?
lol...
time will tell...
until then i'm not drinking the government's kool aid without more logical concrete proof;

especially after claiming one of the biggest events in humanity's history ever recorded was erased...
how amateurish &amp; asinine does that sound from a multi-billion dollar gov't agency

[RichD]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Did you ifnd any links to show it's wheels (or any other part of it) in motion, by any chance?
Lunokhod looked awfully 19th-centur-ish -- until you watched in in operation.


</div></div> you think those evil russians might be trying to fake something?

why would a govt go to so much trouble?

[jaith2]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[What about &quot;m-o-n-e-y&quot; do you not grasp mentally?

What about &quot;not financially feasible&quot; don't you 'get'?

No one is going to spend that kind of money to do what is not financially worth doing.

No government is going to spend that kind of money with no cost-benefit to them.

</div></div>

so it was economically feasible to go SIX times in FOUR years while fighting a costly war, but too expensive to go in the subsequent forty years since?
lol...
time will tell...
until then i'm not drinking the government's kool aid without more logical concrete proof;

especially after claiming one of the biggest events in humanity's history ever recorded was erased...
how amateurish &amp; asinine does that sound from a multi-billion dollar gov't agency </div></div>

any comments on the health care proposals.....i just read that pres. obama is likening revamping health care to landing on the moon.

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaith2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[What about &quot;m-o-n-e-y&quot; do you not grasp mentally?

What about &quot;not financially feasible&quot; don't you 'get'?

No one is going to spend that kind of money to do what is not financially worth doing.

No government is going to spend that kind of money with no cost-benefit to them.

</div></div>

so it was economically feasible to go SIX times in FOUR years while fighting a costly war, but too expensive to go in the subsequent forty years since?
lol...
time will tell...
until then i'm not drinking the government's kool aid without more logical concrete proof;

especially after claiming one of the biggest events in humanity's history ever recorded was erased...
how amateurish &amp; asinine does that sound from a multi-billion dollar gov't agency </div></div>

any comments on the health care proposals.....i just read that pres. obama is likening revamping health care to landing on the moon. </div></div>

i think there's a thread going

while you're at it can you tell me if they have any footage of them assembling those moon jeeps they drove around in?

[jaith2]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jaith2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

[What about &quot;m-o-n-e-y&quot; do you not grasp mentally?

What about &quot;not financially feasible&quot; don't you 'get'?

No one is going to spend that kind of money to do what is not financially worth doing.

No government is going to spend that kind of money with no cost-benefit to them.

</div></div>

so it was economically feasible to go SIX times in FOUR years while fighting a costly war, but too expensive to go in the subsequent forty years since?
lol...
time will tell...
until then i'm not drinking the government's kool aid without more logical concrete proof;

especially after claiming one of the biggest events in humanity's history ever recorded was erased...
how amateurish &amp; asinine does that sound from a multi-billion dollar gov't agency </div></div>

any comments on the health care proposals.....i just read that pres. obama is likening revamping health care to landing on the moon. </div></div>

i think there's a thread going

while you're at it can you tell me if they have any footage of them assembling those moon jeeps they drove around in?

don't ask me.....i think the internet is a hoax.

[jah_yout]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

the man who was slated to be the first moon-walker died under mysterious circumstnces after publically casting doubt on the viability of nasa's ambitions of sending man to the moon &amp; back
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by his son &amp; widow of all people


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apollo Astronaut Was Murdered

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html

02-04-2000

from TPDL 1999-Feb-11,
from NewsMax,
by Christopher Ruddy:

Apollo Astronaut Was Murdered, Son Charges Virgil I. &quot;Gus&quot; Grissom, the astronaut slated to be the first man to walk on the moon, was murdered, his son has charged in the February 16 edition of STAR magazine.

In another stunning development, a lead NASA investigator has charged the agency engaged in a cover-up of the true cause of the catastrophe that killed Grissom and two other astronauts.

The tabloid exclusive by Steve Herz reports that Scott Grissom, 48, has gone public with the family's long held belief that their father was purposefully killed during Apollo I.

<span style="font-weight: bold">The January 27, 1967, Apollo I mission was a simulated launch in preparation for an actual lunar flight.</span>NASA concluded the Apollo I deaths of Grissom, as well as astronauts Edward H. White and Roger Chafee, were the result of an explosive fire that enveloped the pure oxygen atmosphere of the space capsule. NASA investigators could not identify what caused the spark, but wrote the catastrophe off as an accident.

&quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">My father's death was no accident, he was murdered,&quot; Grissom, a commercial pilot, told STAR.</span>
Grissom said he recently was granted access to the charred capsule and discovered a &quot;fabricated&quot; metal plate located behind a control panel switch. The switch controlled the capsules' electrical power source from an outside source to the ship's batteries. Grissom argues that the placement of the metal plate was an act of sabotage. When the one of the astronauts toggled the switch to transfer power to the ship's batteries, a spark was created igniting a fireball.

Clark Mac Donald, a McDonnell-Douglas engineer hired by NASA to investigate the fire, offered corroborating evidence. Breaking more than three decades of silence, Mac Donald alleges that he determined an electrical short caused by the change over to battery power had caused the fire.

<span style="font-weight: bold">He says that NASA destroyed his report and interview tapes in an effort to stem public criticism of the space program.</span>&quot;I have agonized for 31 years about revealing the truth but I didn't want to hurt NASA's image or cause trouble,&quot; Mac Donald told the paper. &quot;But I can't let one more day go by without the truth being known.&quot;

<span style="font-weight: bold">Grissom's widow, Betty, now 71, told STAR she agrees with her son's claim that her husband had been murdered.</span>
&quot;I believe Scott has found the key piece of evidence to prove NASA knew all along what really happened but covered up to protect funding for the race to the moon.&quot;

Scott Grissom told STAR the motive for his father's killing may have been related to NASA's desire not have his father be the first man to walk on the moon because of criticism leveled at Grissom in 1961 after his Gemini capsule, Liberty 7, sunk in the Atlantic.

Critics of Grissom, including novelist Tom Wolfe, have claimed Grissom panicked when his space capsule landed in the ocean, and he prematurely pulled an explosive charge to open the ship's hatch, causing it to sink.

Fellow astronauts, however, gave Grissom the benefit of the doubt for several reasons. Grissom was a decorated Korean war pilot who had flown nearly 100 combat missions. He was a courageous man not known to panic.

There was also evidence that the explosive device on the hatch could accidentally blow without being pulled -- a fact that led NASA to remove such devices from future spacecraft.

Also, had Grissom pulled the explosive release on the hatch, his hand or arm should have had powder and bruise marks. Neither were found.

Grissom, one of the original Mercury seven, was the senior astronaut when the Apollo missions began.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Among the astronauts, Grissom was the most critical of the problem-plagued Apollo program, and the main Apollo contractor, North American Aviation.

Shortly before his death, Grissom had taken a large lemon and hung it around the space capsule as the press looked on. He had suggested publicly that the project could never be accomplished on time.

The Associated Press reported, &quot;`Pretty slim' was the way [Grissom] put his Apollo's chances of meeting its mission requirements.&quot;</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold">The Grissom family had reason to doubt the official NASA ruling from the beginning. Even before Apollo I, Grissom had received death threats which his family believed emanated from within the space program.

The threats were serious enough that he was put under Secret Service protection and had been moved from his home to a secure safe house.

According to his wife, Grissom had warned her that &quot;if there is ever a serious accident in the space program, it's likely to be me.&quot;</span>
The Apollo I disaster led to a series of Congressional hearings into the incident and NASA. During the hearings, one launch pad inspector, Thomas Baron, sharply criticized NASA's handling of the incident and testified that the astronauts attempted to escape the capsule earlier than officially claimed.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Baron was fired soon after giving the testimony, and died, along with his wife, when his car was struck by a train. Authorities ruled the deaths as suicide</span>.

During the Congressional hearings, Senator Walter Mondale questioned the efficacy of manned space programs. Manned space flights were opposed by many of the leading space scientists at the time, including Drs. James Van Allen and Thomas Gold.</div></div>

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/astronaut_murdered.htm

[WitchyOoman]

Re: Moon landing tapes got erased, NASA admits

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WitchyOoman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Did you ifnd any links to show it's wheels (or any other part of it) in motion, by any chance?
Lunokhod looked awfully 19th-centur-ish -- until you watched in in operation.
</div></div> you think those evil russians might be trying to fake something?

why would a govt go to so much trouble? </div></div>
What are you saying, Rich?

I'm saying that the lunokhod was kickazz in how it operated, despite looking like something out of a 19th-century madman's mind.

I was asking you if you'd seen how its wheels worked?

Each side's wheels worked together in tandem, like a tracked vehicle's, AND each side also worked independantly of the other... AND each of the front wheels moved independantly from the rest of the wheels on it's same side, as well, to facilitate steering, IIRC. It hugged the ground even in 1/6 Earth G because.....

oh, why am I even bothering...


It was a weel-designed vehicle, despite it's seemingly-silly appearance, was all I was saying.

No, the Russians weren't faking their space program achievements.