When Ethiopia had an empire...

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 07:42 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

so your little sister is caucasian;

ok- so by these GUYS' definition, 'caucasians' are native to all over the world...including northern africa;

yet they don't say that southern europe's people are 'negroes'...

so caucasians are indegenous to all the continents, but 'negroes' are only indegenous to africa???...

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No,no,no,..you are getting it all mixed up,CAUCASIANS,and NEGROES <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> also be described as the same people,but for the purpose of identifying different races and different ethnicity, the differing adjective terms are applied,you are correct in that the word "negroes" could also be applied to some people in southern europe,...however,...for the purpose of this argument let`s just stick with the reason the anthropological terms are used to describe different races.

The term "negro" is not a race,...it simply means BLACK in spanish, portugues,and in ancient italian,..it is only a way of describing people of that colour,...so therefore anyone,whether of african or european descent can be described as a negro if they are black.
And yes,...my little sister could call herself a caucasian if she so wish,as it also means very light to brown skin person,..which she is.
I am kinda half agreeing with you because I havent yet come across any data suggesting that african blacks have come up with any defining anthropological definition for their race,..and the definitions on race has been by done by white people.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 07:45 PM

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more excerpts from haile selassie I speech to jamacan parliament:

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From another fundamental point of view this is why the organization of African Unity has been established.<span style="font-weight: bold">It is because the African continent,which comprises more than 250 million people,were it to remain divided among more that 30 states,their individual voices would not carry wight.It is precisely why, since there is an identity of interest,we have attempted to include Jamaica also, so what we can carry this weight in the councils of nations,</span>and also through the process of co-operation and expanded economic relations we might be in a position to quicken the pace of development of the individual member countries of the Organization of African Unity.

Because the African people are dedicated to the cause of the maintenance of peace, because the African people are determined that there should be that material progress for their people,and because the African people believe in the essential precepts of democracy, there are the <span style="font-weight: bold">foundations of the Organization of African Unity.And organizations that is based on such a solid foundation can only bring success to all its endeavours which will be for the interest and benefit of the African people, and perhaps also the interest of other peoples.</span>

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 07:53 PM

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I think we`ve been down this road before about haile selassie,personally I dont put much store to his words,..he is and have never been the authority on all things black,or all things african,...I have stated before that I think he was just another african despot out to line his own pocket at the expense of his own people.
I hope we dont have a big fallout over this again but I can hardly hold up the words of selassie of ethiopia as inspirational when present ethiopia is one of the most corrupt,disruptive,and warmongering countries in africa.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 07:54 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

so your little sister is caucasian;

ok- so by these GUYS' definition, 'caucasians' are native to all over the world...including northern africa;

yet they don't say that southern europe's people are 'negroes'...

so caucasians are indegenous to all the continents, but 'negroes' are only indegenous to africa???...

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No,no,no,..you are getting it all mixed up,CAUCASIANS,and NEGROES <span style="font-style: italic">could</span> also be described as the same people,but for the purpose of identifying different races and different ethnicity, the differing adjective terms are applied,you are correct in that the word "negroes" could also be applied to some people in southern europe,...however,...for the purpose of this argument let`s just stick with the reason the anthropological terms are used to describe different races.

The term "negro" is not a race,...it simply means BLACK in spanish, portugues,and in ancient italian,..it is only a way of describing people of that colour,...so therefore anyone,whether of african or european descent can be described as a negro if they are black.
And yes,...my little sister could call herself a caucasian if she so wish,as it also means very light to brown skin person,..which she is.
I am kinda half agreeing with you because I havent yet come across any data suggesting that african blacks have come up with any defining anthropological definition for their race,..and <span style="font-weight: bold">the definitions on race has been by done by white people.</span> </div></div>

if we follow their definition of caucasian....

white people call themselves 'caucasian' from that same definition...i bet 75% of the 'whites' that use that term don't know what it means;
it literally denotes the caucasus mountains;
<span style="font-style: italic">they</span> have expanded the definition in recent times so that 'caucasians' outnumber every other 'race'....
but look at the trick of it-
they say caucasians are from all the continents...yet they only give africa to the 'negroids';

so answer me this-

why are the peoples of africa classified as 'negroid' which is a color based word, and the people of europe classified as 'caucasoid'- a geographic based word?

why is it that only the people of africa is who these 'scientists' chose to classify with a word which means 'black';
why didn't they classify europeans with a word which means 'white'?
why didn't they classify asians with a word that means 'yellow'?

so they decided to give east indians (south asians) the label 'caucasian' based on skull shape?

why didn't they decide to give the vietnamese the label 'negroid'? when they have a similar skull shape to us?
why didn't they give the sicilians with wooly hair & a darker skin the label 'negroid'?
but a person in africa with the slightest wavy hair they want to label 'caucasian'?

their tricks are so stale it isn't even funny

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 07:56 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Because the African people are dedicated to the cause of the maintenance of peace </div></div>

LOl !.......since when..?

Try telling that to the people of eritrea.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:02 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we`ve been down this road before about haile selassie,personally I dont put much store to his words,..he is and have never been the authority on all things black,or all things african,...I have stated before that I think he was just another african despot out to line his own pocket at the expense of his own people.
I hope we dont have a big fallout over this again but I can hardly hold up the words of selassie of ethiopia as inspirational when present ethiopia is one of the most corrupt,disruptive,and warmongering countries in africa. </div></div>

no sah;

you are entitled to your opinion...i just ask that you have some facts when you discuss it- apart from your acknowledged personal anti-selassie bias;
even the things you say about present-day ethiopia are not true...& even if they were, what does it have to do with haile selassie?
but i think his message to the jamaican parliament is incredible if you just look at the message & not let your hatred of the messenger cloud the message;

even if you dislike the man, the words are something no jamaican leader has ever stepped up to deliver-
whatever you think of haile selassie or ethiopians we have no talk when we have such a high rate of j'cans killing each other every day; how are we better?
any negative thing that can be said of them can be said of us too

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 08:07 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

if we follow their definition of caucasian....

white people call themselves 'caucasian' from that same definition...i bet 75% of the 'whites' that use that term don't know what it means;
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You have to be fair in these matters,white people didnt call themselves anything,the average white person didnt label themselves,as far as they are concerned they are simply white,which means that they are superior to all other race.
Both these terms CAUCASIAN,..and NEGROES,..are outdated,and I very much doubt any sociological expert has delved into these definitions in the last 100 years,75% of most people,both blacks and whites wouldnt know what they mean.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:11 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Because the African people are dedicated to the cause of the maintenance of peace </div></div>

LOl !.......since when..?

Try telling that to the people of eritrea. </div></div>

eritrea is now an independent country- which has gone to war with ethiopia, & believe it or not haile selassie had nothing to do with it...do you know what operations, overt or covert eritrea is involved in?
how do you know they are so innocent?

eritrea was a former province of ethiopia;
eritrea separated from ethiopia in 1991 i believe- during the time of mengistu
it's hard to know the internal reasons behind things but looking at ethiopia as an eternal villain is a bit much

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:14 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

if we follow their definition of caucasian....

white people call themselves 'caucasian' from that same definition...i bet 75% of the 'whites' that use that term don't know what it means;
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You have to be fair in these matters,white people didnt call themselves anything,the average white person didnt label themselves,as far as they are concerned they are simply white,which means that they are superior to all other race.
Both these terms CAUCASIAN,..and NEGROES,..are outdated,and I very much doubt any sociological expert has delved into these definitions in the last 100 years,75% of most people,both blacks and whites wouldnt know what they mean.

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yes, which is why the words 'caucasoid, negroid, & mongoloid' are stricken from my vocabulary; but i often hear whites described as 'caucasian' in america;

east indians like to say they are caucasian too, until dem ketch up wid white people then the whites let them know we are not the same lol

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 08:15 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think we`ve been down this road before about haile selassie,personally I dont put much store to his words,..he is and have never been the authority on all things black,or all things african,...I have stated before that I think he was just another african despot out to line his own pocket at the expense of his own people.
I hope we dont have a big fallout over this again but I can hardly hold up the words of selassie of ethiopia as inspirational when present ethiopia is one of the most corrupt,disruptive,and warmongering countries in africa. </div></div>

no sah;

you are entitled to your opinion...i just ask that you have some facts when you discuss it- apart from your acknowledged personal anti-selassie bias;
even the things you say about present-day ethiopia are not true...& even if they were, what does it have to do with haile selassie?
but i think his message to the jamaican parliament is incredible if you just look at the message & not let your hatred of the messenger cloud the message;

even if you dislike the man, the words are something no jamaican leader has ever stepped up to deliver-
whatever you think of haile selassie or ethiopians we have no talk when we have such a high rate of j'cans killing each other every day; how are we better?
any negative thing that can be said of them can be said of us too
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I have no hatred of selassie,I have never met the man,you ask what he has to do with present day ethiopia and my answer to that will be that if he was such a great leader as you give him credit for then he did set a precedence.
I just hold a different opinion than the one you hold on the man,it doesnt mean I hate him,yes he did gave an inspirational speech,...but so has most leaders,even the most hated and loathed ones of the last century.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:18 PM

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<span style="font-weight: bold">I would broadly say wherever there is African blood the is a basis for greater unity.</span>We must also help each other in our endeavours to expand education, to raise the standard of living of your respective peoples.To this end we wish to signify the appreciation of the sentiments held by the Jamaican people for the Ethiopian people and as a manifestation of our sincere friendship, within our very limited means,we have made an agreement with the Jamaican Government to establish a school for Jamaicans here.I am confident that all the preliminary procedures will be concluded so that the construction of the school will commence within the near future.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Lastly,may God give wisdom and His blessings to the people of Jamaica.</span>Thank you."

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yes I;

bless up to the man still, seen ....mi gawn

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 08:22 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

if we follow their definition of caucasian....

white people call themselves 'caucasian' from that same definition...i bet 75% of the 'whites' that use that term don't know what it means;
</div></div>

You have to be fair in these matters,white people didnt call themselves anything,the average white person didnt label themselves,as far as they are concerned they are simply white,which means that they are superior to all other race.
Both these terms CAUCASIAN,..and NEGROES,..are outdated,and I very much doubt any sociological expert has delved into these definitions in the last 100 years,75% of most people,both blacks and whites wouldnt know what they mean.

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yes, which is why the words 'caucasoid, negroid, & mongoloid' are stricken from my vocabulary; but i often hear whites described as 'caucasian' in america;

east indians like to say they are caucasian too, until dem ketch up wid white people then the whites let them know we are not the same lol </div></div>

The definition of race and colour are very complex,I was properly vexed a few months ago,I met a couple girls from sweden,one white the other black,I was particularly intrigued by the black girls command of the swedish language and told her so,I explained how interesting it was to see two swedish girls one black one white,...the black girl perked up.."I`m not black,I`m bangladeshi"...I told her in no uncertain terms that in case she had not noticed before she WAS black,..and being bangladeshi wasnt a colour,it was just a nationality,I put my arm against hers to show her that her skin colour was blacker than mine,...she looked hurt and shocked next to her white friend..silly cow.

**neutral** · 08-31-2009, 08:34 PM

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I often read about members of the rastafari community from jamaica who settled in shashamane in ethiopia and I found it all intriguing,it sounds very heart warming,all these rastafarians seeking their utopia and deserting babylon for what they saw as their rightful home,and finally returning back to their roots in africa.
However,the reality is far different,they have not been very well received in ethiopia by some ethiopians,they are no better off in africa,their lives are no more enriched than if they had stayed in jamaica,and I am told some ethiopians see them as fools for thinking selassie was some kind of god.

**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:48 PM

Re: When Ethiopia had an empire...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: neutral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I often read about members of the rastafari community from jamaica who settled in shashamane in ethiopia and I found it all intriguing,it sounds very heart warming,all these rastafarians seeking their utopia and deserting babylon for what they saw as their rightful home,and finally returning back to their roots in africa.
However,the reality is far different,they have not been very well received in ethiopia by some ethiopians,they are no better off in africa,their lives are no more enriched than if they had stayed in jamaica,and I am told some ethiopians see them as fools for thinking selassie was some kind of god. </div></div>

you are viewing them through your own life expectations & biases...and there are people in jamaica being killed everyday; i guess you forget we are consistently in the top 3 most murderous places on earth?...& some jamaicans think you'd be a fool to live in jamaica...some jamaicans trying to escape from the rock everyday...
and there are rastas in ethiopia living happy; some of them think we are fools for living here...
it all depends on what you want out of life and what you are willing to do for it...

i would say hold your judgement until you visit the land & see for yourself---
everything else is hear-say & speculation---all pioneers have to face some form of hardship when setting a new foundation;
but the fact remains that they are living in the land, many years now...and are the largest contingent of repatriated africans on the continent- full stop.

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**jah_yout** · 08-31-2009, 08:56 PM

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you will naturally dwell on the negative things you've heard about rasta in shashamane, in ethiopia;

so i have to show you the positive also-

they built a school in shashamane which is vital to the area and very much appreciated

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