JA no hav no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

[Gen]

Re: JA no hav no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

BOAL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dancehall queen


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[Dyoll_73]

Re: JA no have no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure you are not capable of even trusting yourself to be honest.

you can believe that from a whole country we don't have the ability to establish and maintain objective just to judge yourself. How many Jamaicans have been on on world courts?

How limited in thought to think that even if that have Even the case.
I think the Jamaican high courts seem to be at least no more politically biased than the privy council That
demonstrated bias when it refuse to follow the Jamaican constitution in the castes they deem fit.
talk about mental slavery. They colonialists are capable of being more just towards us than we arecapable of, towards each other.
We certainly have a future with the privi council.
We certainly a equal to children, as they say.</div></div>

This is a bunch of rambling nonsense! Take a nap and then collect yourself and post an intelligent response.

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: JA no have no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

The usual.
what should i expect from a person who believe that colonial masters are more capable than fellow citizens to give them justice??
?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure you are not capable of even trusting yourself to be honest.

you can believe that from a whole country we don't have the ability to establish and maintain objective just to judge yourself. How many Jamaicans have been on on world courts?

How limited in thought to think that even if that have Even the case.
I think the Jamaican high courts seem to be at least no more politically biased than the privy council That
demonstrated bias when it refuse to follow the Jamaican constitution in the castes they deem fit.
talk about mental slavery. They colonialists are capable of being more just towards us than we arecapable of, towards each other.
We certainly have a future with the privi council.
We certainly a equal to children, as they say.</div></div>

This is a bunch of rambling nonsense! Take a nap and then collect yourself and post an intelligent response. </div></div>

[neutral]

Re: JA no have no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am sure you are not capable of even trusting yourself to be honest.

you can believe that from a whole country we don't have the ability to establish and maintain objective just to judge yourself. How many Jamaicans have been on on world courts?

How limited in thought to think that even if that have Even the case.
I think the Jamaican high courts seem to be at least no more politically biased than the privy council That
demonstrated bias when it refuse to follow the Jamaican constitution in the castes they deem fit.
talk about mental slavery. They colonialists are capable of being more just towards us than we arecapable of, towards each other.
We certainly have a future with the privi council.
We certainly a equal to children, as they say.</div></div>

This is a bunch of rambling nonsense! Take a nap and then collect yourself and post an intelligent response. </div></div>


LOL !

[Dyoll_73]

Re: JA no hav no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HONESTLY, I dont think you understand the sense of <span style="font-weight: bold">Justice and Fairness</span> within the Jamaican people.. <span style="font-weight: bold">The British &quot;muzungus&quot; Colonists didn't think twice about the Hanging of Paul Bogle and William Gordon.</span> They considered themselves to be the &quot;victims&quot;...</div></div>

Be that as it may, and regardless of what you think of the &quot;colonists&quot;, that body <span style="font-weight: bold">today</span> frowns on the death penalty and considers it to be uncivilized as a method of punishment, and I happen to agree with them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is my belief that politicians should reflect the sentiments of those they serve and represent.</div></div>

Sorry, but they cannot always do so. What happens when politicians enact laws reflecting the prejudices, even bigotry, of those whom they serve/represent in violation of the constitution? Ever thought about that, Barosa?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess, what you are suggesting is that the &quot;mugunzus&quot; sitting in London are more &quot;sympathetic and merciful &quot;to the plight of &quot;black&quot; murderers than their our own &quot;black&quot; courts at home... </div></div>

Another misconception about those who oppose the death penalty - that somehow they have some misplaced sympathy for criminals. This is utter nonsense!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The VOICE of the people is the VOICE of God.&quot;</div></div>

Yes, &quot;vox populi vox dei&quot; - another meaningless statement often used by politicans, usually when they have lost an election, want to claim some mandate, or by people who tacitly subscribe to some notion of 'mob rule.' Anyway, I say, leave god out of it.

If you didn't take those words out of context and had known the whole quote, then you would understand that that often used phrase - vox populi ... etc - is saying the opposite of what it is generally used to suggest.

Here's the entire quote from <span style="font-style: italic">Alcuin</span> of York: <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;Nec audienti sunt qui solet docere, 'Vox populi, vox dei'; cum tumultuositas vulgi semper insanitas proxima est.&quot; <span style="text-decoration: underline">The literal translation is</span>: &quot;Do not listen to those who are accustomed to teach [claim], 'The voice of the people is the voice of God', because the tumult of the masses is always close to insanity.&quot;</span>

[Dyoll_73]

Re: JA no have no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what should i expect from a person who believe that colonial masters are more capable than fellow citizens to give them justice?? </div></div>

Either you didn't bother to read what I have posted before (I know I sometimes write long posts), had difficulty comprehending what I posted, or you are intellectually dishonest. I have called for a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Jamaican final appellate court</span></span> made up of Jamaicans, sitting in Jamaica.

And I have said this even while I conceded that the Judicial Committee of the PC has been fair in its rulings, something which you cannot dispute.

Read, and more importantly, <span style="text-decoration: underline">understand</span>, a person's post before you attempt a response - please.

[Dyoll_73]

Re: JA no hav no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

If after we have disposed of Queen Elizabeth as our head of state, and we still yearn for a 'queen', we could have her.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BOAL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xKs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dancehall queen


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[barosa]

Re: JA no hav no shame..******* SEY LEGGO OF DEM FROCK TAIL

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HONESTLY, I dont think you understand the sense of <span style="font-weight: bold">Justice and Fairness</span> within the Jamaican people.. <span style="font-weight: bold">The British &quot;muzungus&quot; Colonists didn't think twice about the Hanging of Paul Bogle and William Gordon.</span> They considered themselves to be the &quot;victims&quot;...</div></div>

Be that as it may, and regardless of what you think of the &quot;colonists&quot;, that body <span style="font-weight: bold">today</span> frowns on the death penalty and considers it to be uncivilized as a method of punishment, and I happen to agree with them.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is my belief that politicians should reflect the sentiments of those they serve and represent.</div></div>

Sorry, but they cannot always do so. What happens when politicians enact laws reflecting the prejudices, even bigotry, of those whom they serve/represent in violation of the constitution? Ever thought about that, Barosa?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess, what you are suggesting is that the &quot;mugunzus&quot; sitting in London are more &quot;sympathetic and merciful &quot;to the plight of &quot;black&quot; murderers than their our own &quot;black&quot; courts at home... </div></div>

Another misconception about those who oppose the death penalty - that somehow they have some misplaced sympathy for criminals. This is utter nonsense!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;The VOICE of the people is the VOICE of God.&quot;</div></div>

Yes, &quot;vox populi vox dei&quot; - another meaningless statement often used by politicans, usually when they have lost an election, want to claim some mandate, or by people who tacitly subscribe to some notion of 'mob rule.' Anyway, I say, leave god out of it.

If you didn't take those words out of context and had known the whole quote, then you would understand that that often used phrase - vox populi ... etc - is saying the opposite of what it is generally used to suggest.

Here's the entire quote from <span style="font-style: italic">Alcuin</span> of York: <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;Nec audienti sunt qui solet docere, 'Vox populi, vox dei'; cum tumultuositas vulgi semper insanitas proxima est.&quot; <span style="text-decoration: underline">The literal translation is</span>: &quot;Do not listen to those who are accustomed to teach [claim], 'The voice of the people is the voice of God', because the tumult of the masses is always close to insanity.&quot;</span> </div></div>

Humano, it's funny, but I suspected, you would make an issue of &quot;vox populi vox dei&quot; ~ What you have presented is the dissention of one man, Alcuin of York who veered away from the earlier and traditional meaning and acceptance of that phrase... Sorry to burst your bubble but Prior to Alcuin, the meaning is shown below in bold... Some of the rest is similar to what you posted in your response...

<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">Vox populi, vox dei…&quot; means, <span style="font-size: 11pt"> &quot;The voice of the people is the voice of God…&quot;, thus implying that popular opinion is always right.</span></span></span> The quotation,from Alcuin of York (735-804), Epistolae, 166, para 9, shows that Alcuin believes the opposite. The full quotation is, &quot;Nec audienti sunt qui solet docere, 'Vox populi, vox dei'; cum tumultuositas vulgi semper insanitas proxima est.&quot; The literal translation is: &quot;Do not listen to those who are accustomed to teach [claim], 'The voice of the people is the voice of God', because the tumult of the masses is always close to insanity.&quot; (Cohen, J. M. &amp; Cohen, M. J. 1960. Penguin Dictionary of Quotations. Penguin. But note misspellings in original. )The quote refers to prior, presumably common, usage, which does assert the identity of the popular voice and the voice of [a] God; <span style="font-weight: bold">it is only Alcuin who dissents.</span> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_populi
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