Gun ownership in Jamaica ?

[Dr.Dudd]

Re: Gun ownership in Jamaica ?

That is not true.

The laws include a statement that allow any police officer above the rank of inspector to <span style="font-weight: bold">refuse the the issuance of the licenses for [b]no stated reason</span>.


That would have been unconstitutional in the US.

You can't make decisions on a citizens right without stating the reason and allowing him/her to defend it.

That is the situation with make rights that Jamaicans are supposed to have.

I posted the rules here some times ago.

And I remember CeeBee ramarked about that inconsistency. It is totally against natural laws.

It simple suggest that citizens only have rights that other, instead of the constitution, grant them. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J RockTodd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What are the rules in Jamaica ? I hear they are banned somewhat or at least not as easy to own as here. If they are banned when did this all happen - when you became independent or did the Brits do it ?

What are your thoughts on this law ? </div></div> the law allows for any citizen to get a license for a gun once some simple criteria are met - around proof of proficiency in use and storage paying of fees etc. - the problem is in the administration of the law where to depends on who you know and who knows you and your ability to financially influence the authority granting the license. </div></div>

[RichD]

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the law also states that any person refused a license has the right to appeal to the minister re said refusal

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is not true.

The laws include a statement that allow any police officer above the rank of inspector to <span style="font-weight: bold">refuse the the issuance of the licenses for [b]no stated reason</span>.


</div></div> i would be interested to see that wording ...can you share it

[CeaBee]

Re: Gun ownership in Jamaica ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And I remember CeeBee ramarked about that inconsistency. .</div></div>



why my name haffi call?

[Panajar]

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Lets be honest, the law means squat when it comes to who should and who should not receive a firearm license.It is just a formality, the final authority is up to the whims and fancy of the members of the FLA. ONE MEMBER <span style="font-weight: bold">A MR CHIN </span>ALREADY STATE HIS OPPOSITION TO THE AVERAGE JAMAICAN OWNING LEGAL FIREARMS.

HERE THE WEBSITE TO THE FLA FOR THOSE INTERESTED.


LINK TO FLA IN JAMAICA

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets be honest, the law means squat when it comes to who should and who should not receive a firearm license.It is just a formality, the final authority is up to the whims and fancy of the members of the FLA. ONE MEMBER <span style="font-weight: bold">A MR CHIN </span>ALREADY STATE HIS OPPOSITION TO THE AVERAGE JAMAICAN OWNING LEGAL FIREARMS.

HERE THE WEBSITE TO THE FLA FOR THOSE INTERESTED.


LINK TO FLA IN JAMAICA </div></div>

but if you making an argument about the content of the law ..why then say the law has no relevance?

[Panajar]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets be honest, the law means squat when it comes to who should and who should not receive a firearm license.It is just a formality, the final authority is up to the whims and fancy of the members of the FLA. ONE MEMBER <span style="font-weight: bold">A MR CHIN </span>ALREADY STATE HIS OPPOSITION TO THE AVERAGE JAMAICAN OWNING LEGAL FIREARMS.

HERE THE WEBSITE TO THE FLA FOR THOSE INTERESTED.


LINK TO FLA IN JAMAICA </div></div>

but if you making an argument about the content of the law ..why then say the law has no relevance?

</div></div>
WHAT THE LAW ON THE BOOKS SAYS, IS IRRELEVANT IN JAMAICA ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COME TO THE ISSUING OF FIREARM PERMITS. IN JAMAICA,IT BOILS DOWN TO WHAT GROUP THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANT HAPPEN TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH,WHETHER ITS A FAVORED OR UNFAVORED GROUP.JUSTICE IS NOT BLIND IN JAMAICA.

[Panajar]

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If the powers that be really want to make the process fair and impartial ,they should adopt the system used in the state i live in, and many other states in the USA ,the system is called &quot;SHALL ISSUE' Where if a applicant meets certain specific and clear criteria laid out, then the board has no choice but to issue the permit.Of course certain influential elites would vigirously oppose such a system

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the powers that be really want to make the process fair and impartial ,they should adopt the system used in the state i live in, and many other states in the USA ,the system is called &quot;SHALL ISSUE' Where if a applicant meets certain specific and clear criteria laid out, then the board has no choice but to issue the permit.</div></div> that would seem reasonable to me.


btw do you have any statistics on applications vs approved

[Dr.Dudd]

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The minister?? what about the courts??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the law also states that any person refused a license has the right to appeal to the minister re said refusal </div></div>

[RichD]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The minister?? what about the courts??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the law also states that any person refused a license has the right to appeal to the minister re said refusal </div></div> </div></div>

i would think the courts play the same role in the case of this law as any other.

[basint1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the powers that be really want to make the process fair and impartial ,they should adopt the system used in the state i live in, and many other states in the USA ,the system is called &quot;SHALL ISSUE' Where if a applicant meets certain specific and clear criteria laid out, then the board has no choice but to issue the permit.Of course certain influential elites would vigirously oppose such a system </div></div>

I agree with this.
The &quot;Man&quot; (JA Gov) trying to keep mi down!

[RichD]

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the gov isn't the man .the gov is controlled by the man

[Dr.Dudd]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The minister?? what about the courts??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RicharD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the law also states that any person refused a license has the right to appeal to the minister re said refusal </div></div> </div></div>

i would think the courts play the same role in the case of this law as any other. </div></div>What you mean the court play the same role?
So you mean politics influences the behavior of the courts as it does the politically elected minister?


So why don't we just let the minister settle our grievances then?

which minister should settle the grievance between NTSc and the government?
You surely jest. Any right that requires an appeal to any politically appointed minister of government, is not a right. It is a loan to be repaid with blood later.


Any right that is granted to a citizen by law can not be equitably settled if the final appeal in relation to injury,have to be made to any politician..


Politicians by the nature of their office is bias towards those who elected them. And in Jamaica more so towards those ho finance them.

In Jamaica those are not the same.
And the intrest of the financiers, are antagonistioc towars th eintrest of the voters.

[RichD]

Re: Gun ownership in Jamaica ?

why did the NTSC case go to court? they did not find satisfaction with the ministry of transportation (or whoever has jurisdiction) so similarly if a citizen does not find satisfaction with the decision of the minister of security(Justice?) he/she could escalate to the courts.