The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

[blugiant]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so do I but who voted in Eddie..whe u a seh...di CIA voted n padded di ballot boxes.... plus saying him is an idiot versus saying he made idiotic decisions is two diffrant ting...Blinds is a brilliant man...one of the many brilliant minds of Jamaica </div></div>

seaga iss natt a brilliant man. wen imm gott elected imm gott more money fram farreen ann imm squander itt, mismanage ja ecaannyamee soo badlee dat peeps wey eelp fii gitt elected was gladd wen manley beat imm. tivoli reflect poorlee pon seeaaga

mii tand bye mii camment dat seaga iss wan eediat

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate CIAaga like how a rat hate rat pisen But I have to give him his dues him is a brilliant mind an a true jamaican much more dan peeple like me who bawn deh an grow a farrin...havin sed dat him have nuff nuff blood pon him hands an I hope him confess before him pass to di odder side....... </div></div>

nuff aff dem yaawd politrixxstahs ave blood pon den dem aands. de create de gangs ann now dem cyaan cantrol dem

oww brilliant ecanyamist wey knoo bout boom ann bust cycle mismanged ja ecaanyamee ann peeps still a cawl imm brilliant

[Panajar]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="font-weight: bold">You are a pathetic clown</span> all the folks you named have done very well as JLP Politicians and very well after the JLP. In fact it a tribute to Eddie Blinds that the only truly brilliant Post-Colonial Jamaicans came out of the JLP while Eddie Blinds was there.

As for the foolish talk about Pearnel Charles did his time in the pen and you juxtapose that with Eddie ruining Pearnel's career you have to be really crazy. Are you saying that the detention and torture of Pearnel Charles was legitimate? Are you further saying that the SOE76 was organize by Eddie Blinds? </div></div>

You can resort to ad hominem ,all it does is prove you have no counter argument.Frankly i am surprise that a (self appointed know it all, of Jamaica's politics) like you,WAS NOT AWARE of incidents like the gang of five incident,or (when pernel was assaulted by fellow laborites),or the incident where Ceehaga spied on his own cabinet members,or his push to have shareout remove from the leadership of the party,or his dispute with Hill and Lightborne IN 71 WHEN HE WAS MINISTER OF FIANANCE.. ETC, SHOULD I KEEP GOING.

Ceehaga have a GOD complex ,he is one of the main reason why the pnp was able to retain power for over 18 years.In is bid to hold on to power indefinitely, he almost destroy the jlp.Ceehaga was one of the most divisive leaders the jlp has ever had .

[Tuff Gong]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can resort to ad hominem ,all it does is prove you have no counter argument.</div></div>

There is nothing to counter. If you keep making baseless statements the only thing that can be done about it is to point it out, no need to be nice about it either!

LOL look who talking anyway a man (maybe) who issued what I consider threats to my health. A man (maybe) who never stop directed ad hominem attacks on I, even when I was not on the board for months.

[Derek]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... other countries dont usually elect foreign born individuals ,of different ethnic background to the highest office in their land. </div></div>

I imagine how p-issed off you are right now that Obama was elected prez of the majority-white USA. It is a tribute to Jamaica's constitution that it allows <span style="font-weight: bold">A <span style="text-decoration: underline">JAMAICAN CITIZEN</span> OF ANY NATIONAL ORIGIN</span> to seek and serve in its highest elected office. </div></div>

Didn't India, the world's largest democracy, elect an Italian lady?

[rudemonk]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
because nowhere in the world has not been touched by Europe....y u tink Japan etal fought so long an hard to mainatian dem isolation....n is not c olour mi mean here... </div></div>

evan- if there is one certain thing we can learn from studying humanity, it is that it does not lack for motivation to press down on the neck of some other due to somewhat all too convenient justifications. we can tick them off a list, as it were, and no have would be too troubled about the means by which their mouth can stay on the teats of the have nots. and here we see the manifestation of ego as expressed by culture. if it were only colorism.

you mention japan- but consider that japan was segmented by class before any european could have influenced it...the lower classes were not considered human people by the upper class. Even to this day, the entire social model has simply shifted, the samurai and above are all the ceo's and holders of wealth and power, blessed by their gods to do as they will. and if you are a woman, these traditional societies are developed rarely in that favor.

go anywhere, and you will see a pecking order establish itself according to various factors. sadly.

[Wahalla]

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I thought about this.. This way of poltics by condemnation.. If ones opnion varies from some orthodoxy it is simply just a matter to use stock phrases... This is just a way to try and make

Simpleton, Communist, ball-head, Conservative, sell out, wannabee, class traitors, running dawg, bous - war -zie, exploiters, uneducated. What ever the conflagratory label it is all the same the same principle of trying to defentiate oneself as superior.. It merely demonstrates the inferority of the label thrower... And demonstrates the total lack of empathy on the part of the condemer...

To me it is personal.. it is accusing me personally of being a simpleton. I can live with that but dont paint most Jamaicans with that attitude...

&quot;come walk a moment in ones shoes&quot;....No way to address or even understand the motivations the immidate drivers.. Just self praise to cover their own inseurity

And I object here are pople who claim to love Jamaicans insulting them veiwing them as children. And I stongly object to this. You dont express love for Jamaicans and then insult. Asa nation I strongly belive our bell curve of inteligence is shifted to the right.. And I will match Jamaicans against the rest of the nations and know we are who we are.. Not simpletons.

Seaga is not my cup of tea but from a cultural perspective we must give him proops... Garveys body, love for Jamaican music (the man was a one man Libary of congress)..., Festival.. Manley admitted that he preffered classical and Jazz to Jamaican music.. His choice, like mine...

[Dyoll_73]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Derek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Humano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... other countries dont usually elect foreign born individuals ,of different ethnic background to the highest office in their land. </div></div>

I imagine how p-issed off you are right now that Obama was elected prez of the majority-white USA. It is a tribute to Jamaica's constitution that it allows <span style="font-weight: bold">A <span style="text-decoration: underline">JAMAICAN CITIZEN</span> OF ANY NATIONAL ORIGIN</span> to seek and serve in its highest elected office. </div></div>

Didn't India, the world's largest democracy, elect an Italian lady? </div></div>

Sonia Ghandi, widow of former Prime Minister Rajiv Ghandi, yes. She is Italian-born, and became an Indian citizen. She could could become PM, except her inexperience was used against her. While some thought it inconceivable that a foreign-born Indian could assume the highest elected office, India's constitution allows for a foreign-born Indian citizen to become PM, like Jamaica's.

[remo]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Tuff Gong]
.Ceehaga was one of the most divisive leaders the jlp has ever had . </div></div>

One of the most?...Your'e way too kind.........

[Reggae plus]

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Being treated like a simpleton...and called one...doesn't make an individual any of that Wahalla. It is to the source where the attention must turn...as you said.

BUT...and it's true of ALL the electorate regardless of geography...it's how one acts after being treated as/called a simpleton that determines the validity of such a loosely tossed accusation.

[Panajar]

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COCK MOUTH KILL COCK ,Look what Seehaga have to say about being born abroad...the irony if i laaf me dead.



Dis should cause a whole heap of cognitive dissonance fe him defenders

&quot;A good deal
of public interest has been aroused about the question of citizenship and loyalty.

Many people who are residents of Jamaica have their roots in a foreign country where they were born.<span style="font-weight: bold"> They love Jamaica but their loyalty is to the country of their birth</span>&quot;. VERY INTERESTING COMING FROM HIM.

see it dey

[Reggae plus]

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Gotta give him credit for two things. 1. He could generalize with the best of them...and 2? Um... Sorry...there is no #2,

[Dr.Dudd]

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I don't think he conflicted with this usual behavior?
He has always shown loyalty to the land of his birth.
you can't blame him for that?
Ther are also many Jamaican-born foreign citizens who are equally as loyal to their country of citizenship too.

Many Of them love Jamaica for the opportunity it give them, that they could not get in the country of their citizenship.

So they use Jamaica as a farm colony to support their country.
They also have control of who become what in politics, economics, the military and every aspect of the Jamaican economy.
That is what the USA was experiencing soon after independence.
That is what lead to the birth requirement.
Although it may have work in those times.
the world is far too open today for simple rules like those to be effective in a country anymore.
For one, those who use this as a means to colonize other economies, are too powerful internationally.

They have control of all the tools by which this is effected.
They control the international media,banking sector,the UN. You Name it they control it. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">COCK MOUTH KILL COCK ,Look what Seehaga have to say about being born abroad...the irony if i laaf me dead.



Dis should cause a whole heap of cognitive dissonance fe him defenders

&quot;A good deal
of public interest has been aroused about the question of citizenship and loyalty.

Many people who are residents of Jamaica have their roots in a foreign country where they were born.<span style="font-weight: bold"> They love Jamaica but their loyalty is to the country of their birth</span>&quot;. VERY INTERESTING COMING FROM HIM.

see it dey



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[evanovitch]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so do I but who voted in Eddie..whe u a seh...di CIA voted n padded di ballot boxes.... plus saying him is an idiot versus saying he made idiotic decisions is two diffrant ting...Blinds is a brilliant man...one of the many brilliant minds of Jamaica </div></div>

seaga iss natt a brilliant man. wen imm gott elected imm gott more money fram farreen ann imm squander itt, mismanage ja ecaannyamee soo badlee dat peeps wey eelp fii gitt elected was gladd wen manley beat imm. tivoli reflect poorlee pon seeaaga

<span style="font-weight: bold">mii tand bye mii camment dat seaga iss wan eediat</span> </div></div>

fair enuff..afta all a dawg n his bone r hard to separate

[evanovitch]

Re: The the masses of jamaican voters are simpletons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Panajar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Tuff Gong]
.Ceehaga was one of the most divisive leaders the jlp has ever had . </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">One of the most?...Your'e way too kind</span>......... </div></div>

do u put him on par wid Joshua and his rhetoric wich created the backlash against people of his own social strata in Jamaica...memba dat Joshua pointedly blamed and seemingly instigated the vicious attacks on certain people in Jamaica because they were supposedly educated etc etc...the (in) famous 5 flights a day reference being a perfect example of the divisive speech and if one were to really examine it, is directly responsible for the massive brain drain that continues to adversely affect Jamaica