Green Card holders

[Yuriatin]

Re: Green Card holders

I have an uncle back home with limited vision.
There's a fellow back home who, for quite a few years now, drives my uncle.
I've known him for a while. Good, decent guy.

He gets in touch with me last month and asks me,
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&quot;What's the best way for a person to file for somebody to come up to the US?&quot;
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This is exactly how he asked it.

I told him - there's no <span style="font-style: italic">BEST</span> way to do it - there's only the proper way to file by going thru the process that coincides with a person's circumstance. I told him I can't answer the question in a vacuum - I can't answer the question without knowing the details.
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&quot;The smaddy av ar green card.&quot;</span> he says.

So I ask him - what kind of green card does she have - a CPR or a LPR?

He doesn't know and I explain the diff to him.

Turns out the person has a LPR greencard. She was filed for by her adult son here in the US. I ask him, who is it that this woman wants to file for and bring to the US?

He tells me, it him.

His wife is here and wants to file for him to come up. She's been here 5 months and desperately wants him to now join her. But his wife, listed herself on her application as SINGLE!!!

Dude - rule # 1 - don't lie to the USCIS. It will usually come back to haunt you. And now, in he and his wife's case - it has.

He went on to press me about the fiancee visa and started getting heated with me about why it was she couldn't file for him that way because, he'd &quot;HEARD&quot; that it's very fast.

Well, that may be so but YOU CAN'T BE HER FIANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY married!

He wanted to know if wifey could go back and amend her file and tell USCIS that she is married and wants to file for him.

Ahhhhh - sure - yeah - go ahead and do this - <span style="font-weight: bold">IF SHE WANTS TO SURELY GET DIP FOR IMMIGRATION FRAUD</span>!!

So now he starts pressing me about getting divorced and whether I think he should divorce her and then re marry thru the fiancee visa filing.

Ahhhhh - sure - yeah - go ahead and do this - if you want to take a probable risk of raising every red flag in the book.

All I'm telling him that they missed this up by lying on the original filing, he doesn't want to hear it.

Now to be sure, there are alternate avenues he can take to have her file for him but they're all going to be bandooloo.

First off, she hasn't even been here 6 flippin' months - ANY move she makes to file for him will raise a red flag.

Second, if she wants to file for him, she only has 2 or 3 ways of doing so and he didn't like any of the options I told him about.

My point is that, that in too many ways, we often make a mess of these things more than is needed.

And you can't look at a situation from the outside, not knowing all the facts, and say what's what.

If you have your green card, and you got it properly, and you're not doing or haven't done any dirt, you should have no fear of traveling to and from the US. Millions and millions of dual citizens do so every year. <span style="font-size: 8pt"><span style="font-style: italic">(no, I'm not saying profiling doesn't happen; of course it does)</span></span> The # of people denied re-entry or having their cards confiscated (which the right of the US Govt) is miniscule compared to the # who haven't.

And if you've had your green card, and are now eligible to apply for US Citizenship, get on it.

[britisha]

Re: Green Card holders

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Depends on what the person's 'history' looks like.

Also, if the person has a 'history', US citizenship does not matter. The note on the certificate says something about it being property of the US gov't and can be confiscated by gov't at anytime.

If they don't want you to re-enter, regardless of what paperwork you hold, you can be denied entry.

Naturalized citizens have a little more leeway than GC holders, but there is a very large grey area between the two. </div></div>

[Yuriatin]

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Pep - can you share what you mean by this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Naturalized citizens have a little more leeway than GC holders, but there is a very large grey area between the two. </div></div>

[Pepper]

Re: Green Card holders

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pep - can you share what you mean by this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Naturalized citizens have a little more leeway than GC holders, but there is a very large grey area between the two. </div></div> </div></div>

Answering Yuri and SandiF.

People who have had run-ins with the law may have issues when traveling abroad. If a person has a past criminal history, it is best to consult an immigration attorney prior to traveling.

The grey area - Green card holders can be denied re-entry for petty crimes. Generally naturalized citizens will not be denied re-entry for petty crimes. But if you have a long string of petty crimes, you could be denied entry. There are so many ifs and buts, *I* think of it as a grey area.

[Pepper]

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OH BTW, if yuh nevah have a run in with the law, there is nothing to be concerned about. I have no fears of leaving the country.

[Pepper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Queen_of_d_A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

actually you are targeted in some areas of this country you do not necessarily have to have comitted a crime simple things like the number of times you travel and the length of times on these vacations raise red flags for us, it shouldn't but a fi dem country and dem can raise dem eyebrows if dem wish.

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Thanks to Dubyah, homeland security has access to a matrix of information about people. If yuh mek $20,000 USD a year, some may consider it suspect that you can live in an upper middle class area and travel back to your country 6 times a year for two weeks at a time. Its possible, but you better be able to explain it.

I am far from a conspiracy theorist. I doubt anyone is listening in on my phone calls or tracking my daily movements. But if I were in the category mentioned above, my 6th trip may raise a flag when I try to reenter.

[Yuriatin]

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Ok, thanks.

I think I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Still tho - I've not found a past or recent history of - or seen a rash of nat citz, or even a somewhat significant # of nat citz being with petty crime bkground, being denied re-entry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pep - can you share what you mean by this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Naturalized citizens have a little more leeway than GC holders, but there is a very large grey area between the two. </div></div> </div></div>

Answering Yuri and SandiF.

People who have had run-ins with the law may have issues when traveling abroad. If a person has a past criminal history, it is best to consult an immigration attorney prior to traveling.

The grey area - Green card holders can be denied re-entry for petty crimes. Generally naturalized citizens will not be denied re-entry for petty crimes. But if you have a long string of petty crimes, you could be denied entry. There are so many ifs and buts, *I* think of it as a grey area. </div></div>

[Pepper]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, thanks.

I think I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Still tho - I've not found a past or recent history of - or seen a rash of nat citz, or even a somewhat significant # of nat citz being with petty crime bkground, being denied re-entry.

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I said nothing of a recent mad rush. If someone has a history, they need to exercise caution. I haven't heard of any hard fast rules with regards to what crimes and how many incidents will keep you out, thus my reference to a grey area.

[Yuriatin]

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Pep - I didn't say you were stating there was a mad rush.

I was responding to your comment about a naturalized citizen being denied re-entry.

I'm saying that from my research and experience, it's extremely rare, for a naturalized us citizen, even one with a prior conviction, to be denied re-entry.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, thanks.

I think I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Still tho - I've not found a past or recent history of - or seen a rash of nat citz, or even a somewhat significant # of nat citz being with petty crime bkground, being denied re-entry.

[ </div></div>

I said nothing of a recent mad rush. If someone has a history, they need to exercise caution. I haven't heard of any hard fast rules with regards to what crimes and how many incidents will keep you out, thus my reference to a grey area. </div></div>

[Gen]

Re: Green Card holders

@ the drivah story

suh wah mek the wife lie inna the fuss place ??

if she did puddung married dem wouldan did deny the application mi nuh membah how the form guh.

[Yuriatin]

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He said -

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;Smaddy tell ar seh is ongle people whe nuh marrid get chru fi gah farrin.&quot;</span>

[Yuriatin]

Re: Green Card holders

<span style="font-style: italic">Is whe yuh laffin afta</span> - afta nuhting nuh funny inna dat.

But more than her not being upfront about her marital status, they're not realizing all the red flags they'd be raising by backtracking and TELLING them that she's actually married - or trying to now divorce and remarry to get him up!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> @ the drivah story

suh wah mek the wife lie inna the fuss place ??

if she did puddung married dem wouldan did deny the application mi nuh membah how the form guh. </div></div>

[Pepper]

Re: Green Card holders

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, thanks.

I think I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Still tho - I've not found a past or recent history of - or seen a rash of nat citz, or even a somewhat significant # of nat citz being with petty crime bkground, being denied re-entry.

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I don't have stats on when and how many. BUT if you have a record, you are taking a risk by boarding an international flight. The slighest possibility of being denied re-entry is a big risk IMO.

[Yuriatin]

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Where <span style="color: #006600"><span style="font-weight: bold">green card holders</span></span> are concerned, yes - I think we certainly all agree on that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pepper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yuri_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, thanks.

I think I was misinterpreting what you were saying.

Still tho - I've not found a past or recent history of - or seen a rash of nat citz, or even a somewhat significant # of nat citz being with petty crime bkground, being denied re-entry.

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I don't have stats on when and how many. BUT if you have a record, you are taking a risk by boarding an international flight. The slighest possibility of being denied re-entry is a big risk IMO. </div></div>

[britisha]

Re: Green Card holders

When I listened to the Immigration show that came on Saturdays on a WI stn; the host used to say that even an old infraction can make one lose his or her green card.

They don't bother the person while they are in the country, but if they are seeking re-entry and it is seen in the computer, it can spell the loss of the card.

Some infractions can also cause one to lose their Nat status..it is up to the government whether they want to let a person back into the country or not; and it is best to check with an atty before leaving if there is any previous incident where one might have ran afoul of the law.

[Heard of incidence<span style="font-weight: bold">s</span> where ppl enter the US as a baby with a green card, never got citizenship...got arrested, and years later traveled and was denied re-entry...leff innah &quot;dem&quot; country [of birth] an no know aniboddie, becozz they lived all their life in the States.]