fiyah pon maroons

[Magician]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
5) These anglophile Judases, who still exist today in many forms including other &quot;philes&quot;</div></div>

[blugiant]

Re: fiyah pon maroons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leddih</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
5) These anglophile Judases, who still exist today in many forms including other &quot;philes&quot;</div></div>

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diss mekk mii laff

soo leddih figgar out yu secret magixx

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If one dig far enough, yuh can always find some negative aspect of our (so-called) heroes no matter no matter whe yuh around di world yuh goh. Dis is ah fact of life. </div></div>

intarestinnpint butt de deeper qwestian iss y dem miseducate blakk peeps to hero warshipinn sellout peeps dat fought against blakk peeps independence? yu knoo itt onlee wen mii got older ann read a latt more bout da maroon did mii start fii qwestian oww dem miseducate jamaicans on da maroons? wat wii affii challenge iss wat dem teach uss ann oww dat mentallee enslave blakk peeps

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marilyn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is surely not the picture I had painted in my mind, nor the story I have been telling over and over to others about this aspect of Jamaica. Only shows that one needs to do their homework before talking. Still I respect certain things about them, but it is not the idylic story I had painted in my mind. </div></div>


deer iss a latt aff side to da maroon storee. da varsain yu proablee heard iss da maroon varsian dat romanticized dem histaree. dat y da storee dat bill wrote about iss limited widdout undartandinn da context ann dat itt da view aff maroon historian. da deal da maroon agreed to fii end hostilitee wass dat dem wood allow no more runaway enslaved afrikkans, dem wood hunt ann recapture runnaway enslaved afrikkans fii reward, dem wood fite pon oyinbo side against annee enslaved peeps uprisinn ann dem wood fite against annee fareen invaders. fram watt mii ole maroon relative told mii natt awl maroon agree widd diss arangement ann sum maroons allowed a few runnaway enslaved afrikkan fii join dem

dat iss y wen chief stacci(tacky rebellion) started fii fite fii freedom itt wass da maroon wey murdered imm

[Wahalla]

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Interesting that no one noted that:

1) Tacky was a driver on a plantation.. a whip weilder the postion
2) He was a &quot;Coromante cheif&quot; Coromante was thedefinition of slaves from a particular port...
3) Maroons had not accepted runaways slaves even before the treaties
4) Treaties were pre existed cudjoes one...

[Magician]

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Maroon history is Jamaican history. Whether you like it or not.

You also have to put yourself in the position of the Maroons in those times to understand their actions. You cannot discount their bravery, their warfare expertise and leaders like Nanny and collectively bun fyah pon the Maroons in general. Look at the big picture.

[blugiant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magix</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maroon history is Jamaican history. Whether you like it or not.

You also have to put yourself in the position of the Maroons in those times to understand their actions. You cannot discount their bravery, their warfare expertise and leaders like Nanny and collectively bun fyah pon the Maroons in general. Look at the big picture. </div></div>

sah maroon histaree iss jamaica histaree soo dat meen yu doan recognize de maroon independence ar de maroon rhetoric as a country widdinn a country. itt natt bout weddar mii like itt ar natt iss bout oww da maroon were cast ann recast as freedom fighter wen de trooth iss dat dem fought against da majaritee aff enslaved afrikkan rite to be free. oww yu aggoo bigg dem upp fii braveree ann skill inn warfare wen dem used dose skilled fii help oyinbo maintain slaveree ann fii suppress blakk peeps fitinnn against slaveree. itt like dat mzungu wey sed give mii freedom ar give imm death wild imm wass wan bigg slave master wey denii blakk peeps freedom. were da maroon annee bettar dan dem afrikkans wey sold dem brother inna slaveree

big pictur argument ar thyme argument as juss way peeps trii fii mekk excuse fii blakks like da maroon woo sold out

[Magician]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">big pictur argument ar thyme argument as juss way peeps trii fii mekk excuse fii blakks like da maroon woo sold out </div></div>

You're basing your entire judgement of the Maroons on their post-Treaty history.

What I'm pointing out to you is the pre-Treaty history in which the mighty British Empire could not defeat them for generations.

[jah_yout]

Re: fiyah pon maroons

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jah_yout</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blakkgiant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">oyinbo histaree beelow


Tacky's Rebellion
By Bill Evans

At midnight on July 31st 1834, the Abolition Bill which the British Parliament passed earlier in the year went into effect, ending over 300 years of slavery. It had been a long and brutal struggle to end this inhumanity. Many revolts and uprisings had occurred in Jamaica but most were local in nature and were put down with relative ease. Not so on Easter Sunday 1760.

Tacky, a Coromantee Chief was from the Guinea area of the West Coast of Africa, as were many of the slaves sold to plantations in the St. Mary's Parish of Jamaica. Tacky's position as overseer on the Frontier plantation gave him the opportunity to draw up some simple but effective plans to gain freedom and to easily get them to his trusted followers both at Frontier and neighbouring Trinity plantations. They decided to wait until Easter Sunday when they knew no one would suspect what was to follow.

Sometime before daybreak on Monday, Tacky and his followers began the revolt and easily took over the Frontier and Trinity plantations while killing their masters. Bolstered by their easy success, they made their way to the storeroom at Fort Haldane where the munitions to defend the town of Port Maria were kept. After killing the storekeeper, Tacky and his men stole nearly 4 barrels of gun powder and 40 firearms with shot before marching on to overrun the plantations at Heywood Hall and Esher. By dawn, hundreds had joined Tacky and his followers. At Ballard's Valley, the rebels stopped to rejoice in their success, as one slave from Esher decided to slip away and sound the alarm. Obeahmen quickly circulated around the camp dispensing a powder that they claimed would protect the men from injury in battle and loudly proclaimed that an Obeahman could not be killed. Confidence was high.

Soon there were 70 to 80 mounted militia on their way along with some Maroons from Scott's Hall, who were bound by treaty to suppress such rebellions. When the militia learned of the Obeahman's boast of not being able to be killed, an Obeahman was captured, killed and hung with his mask, ornaments of teeth and bone and feather trimmings at a prominent place visible from the encampment of rebels. Many of the rebels, confidence shaken, returned to their plantations but Tacky and 25 or so men decided to fight on.

Tacky and his men went running through the woods being chased by the Maroons and their legendary marksman, Davy. While running at full speed, Davy shot Tacky and cut off his head to prove his feat for which he would be richly rewarded. Tacky's head was later displayed on a pole in Spanish Town until a follower took it down in the middle of the night. Tacky's men were found in a cave near Tacky Falls, having committed suicide rather than going back to slavery.

The rebellion didn't end here, as other rebellions broke out all over Jamaica, which many were rightly or wrongly attributed to Tacky's cunning and strategy. It was months later until peace was restored. Over 60 white people had lost their lives as well as 400 or so Negro slaves, including two ring leaders who were burned alive and two others who were hung in iron cages at the Kingston Parade, until they starved to death.

You can visit the Tacky Monument in Claude Stuart Park in Port Maria. Tacky Falls is accessible by the sea but the overland route is considered by locals to be too tough to travel. The waterfalls have diminished over the years and mainly eroded rocks mark the course. The exact location of the cave where they found Tacky's men is not known.


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this article written 2003 and these mental slaves still using the word knee-grow?? (negro)

kisteet </div></div>

itt poas undar jam.com kulcha section

bill iss wan mzungu pon yah wey didd reel intarested inn maroon histaree even dough sum aff watt imm sed wass diffarant dan wat de decendants aff maroon captian sed. mii give inn credit fii at least chattinn bout de maroon ann chief stacci revolt. still mii surprise jam.com cracked miseditorial team neva pint dat out </div></div>

well maybe they were ahead of the curve because new york census brought back &quot;knee-grow&quot;...
i'm amazed how easily we accept designations given to us by others...
i've never seen a &quot;knee-grow&quot; in my life...
bun out dem confusion deh...
as far as the maroons, it's more nuanced than what these guys are writing...
respect due to nanny, cudjoe &amp; others who went to war against the european slave driver terrorists and neva bow- they are a source of pride...
fire pon di ones who sold out...
blanket statements are not appropriate here...the history is too long &amp; varied to simplify by bunnin out a whole people...
if we are to hate maroons for fighting other blacks hundreds of years ago...then we have to hate the pnp &amp; jlp &amp; criminal organizations who did the very same thing and are still doing it