Arizona and it's new racist immigration "laws"

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration "laws"

JJ, wha yuh shouting fah?

In the din you created, you did us a favour by comparing the US with some of the most fascist and oppressive regimes of the world... you have made the point that this is what this law is eventually going to accomplish.<span style="font-size: 20pt">

I must say you took the jackpot!!</span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me see if I get this right:

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.</div></div>

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johnnycakes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[


I'd say your two cents worth was greatly overpriced.

You forgot the most important thing you get as a citizen of the United States as regards the peoples of Latin America; you get to pay the taxes that supports a trillion dollar military empire and vote for the people in the]b\ government that are responsible for enforcing a form of capitalism on these poor people that does not work in Third World countries.[/b]

This creates a system of haves and have-nots where there is up to an 80% poverty rate. This crushing poverty is what is driving these people in such great numbers to try to make a living in the much much richer United States.

Perhaps if you'd spend less time blaming the victims and fighting against economic imperialism you wouldn't have to gripe as much about &quot;illegal aliens&quot;

Were the United States to allow these countries to have the type of economy and government that THEY want there would not be an illegal alien problem.<span style="color: #CC0000">

Try studying the U.S. foreign policy history of the past hundred years and stop listening to right wing millionaire radio ENTERTAINERS so that you have some idea of the background of the problem.</span>

Further as regards the following excerpt from your post, could you cite some specific instances of what happens to people crossing the Cuban or Venezuelans borders that corroborate your contentions?

&quot;.........IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT......&quot; </div></div>

DING DING DING

Maybe JJ needs to address the treatment rendered to the native people on the reservations for starters; as well as remember that they are the only TRUE ENTITLED to be called citizens in the United States....[annuh me seh soh]

<span style="font-weight: bold">I said this already, and I am saying it again...what a lot of people do NOT realise is the fact that there are thousands of ppl working in &quot;professional capacities&quot; eg doing surgery,[specialties] research and pathology who are UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS because their visas and repeated extensions have expired...but they continue to work; have children but still undocumented.</span>

... wouldn't it be interesting to see if this law is enforced across the board &amp; they&quot; happen to be undergoing surgery and the Justice Dept comes and escort their undocumented surgeon away during the case?? Would the law be bended because of who they are?

Go to some of these urban and inner cities emergency rooms and try to communicate with some doctors if they can understand you, dare I say, ask them their immigration status...*I* rest MY case.

[the institution that hires them are responsible for them, but they are still undocumented]


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...there is a lot &quot;hidden&quot; in the land of the unknown, and sometimes it is better left unknown</span>....and I will leave it at this.

[R_C]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

Given that police in Arizona are now empowered to stop and question persons who they have reasonable suspicion to believe are in the country illegally can someone please tell me:

1. What does someone who is in the USA illegally <span style="font-style: italic">look</span> like ?

2. Do tourists now have to carry their passports and plane tickets with them at all times ?

Thank you,
RC

[tsophra]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

all those eastern european immigrants sheg now..

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rollin_Calf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Given that police in Arizona are now empowered to stop and question persons who they have reasonable suspicion to believe are in the country illegally can someone please tell me:

1. What does someone who is in the USA illegally <span style="font-style: italic">look</span> like ?

2. Do tourists now have to carry their passports and plane tickets with them at all times ?

Thank you,
RC

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Initially, they were saying that they can tell an &quot;illegal&quot; even by the footwear or clothes they wear, [which to me is another racist stereotype]...that's what help to make it so even more absurd.

[Gen]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

boal is the gordon brown ting yuh a refer to ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all those eastern european immigrants sheg now.. </div></div>

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

David Letterman: <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;how many of you are here hiding from the Arizona police?&quot;</span>

Shakira will be on Anderson Cooper tonight to discuss her visit to Arizona today.


More national boycott called for Arizona due to it's draconian law.[CNN]

[tsophra]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

naw..juss making the point that not all immigrants that are in the US en masse are of a darker hue..so me curious to see how dem gwine decide who an who fe drape up

what's the gordon brown thing?

[Gen]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

him was walking bout and a campaign and stop fi chat to , I guess the equvivalent of the working class here, and the lady mek a comment bout all dem &quot;eastern european&quot; immigrants all ovah, well him give har a polite answer

but when him leff, him figet seh him mike was on and call her a &quot;bigot&quot;

it all ovah every news cause dem start flashback to other noted US politicians and dem &quot;foot in mout disease&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">naw..juss making the point that not all immigrants are of a darker hue..so me curious to see how dem gwine decide who an who fe drape up

what's the gordon brown thing? </div></div>

[Gen]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

dats precisely why it suh absurd and the whole a dem gwine flee guh other states like ny. try nuh badda visit that state unless yuh have yuh papers pan yuh

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">naw..juss making the point that not all immigrants that are in the US en masse are of a darker hue..so me curious to see how dem gwine decide who an who fe drape up

what's the gordon brown thing? </div></div>

[R_C]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..so me curious to see how dem gwine decide who an who fe drape up</div></div>

Well that is the question on the table now.

[tsophra]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">him was walking bout and a campaign and stop fi chat to , I guess the equvivalent of the working class here, and the lady mek a comment bout all dem &quot;eastern european&quot; immigrants all ovah, well him give har a polite answer

but when him leff, him figet seh him mike was on and call her a &quot;bigot&quot;

it all ovah every news cause dem start flashback to other noted US politicians and dem &quot;foot in mout disease&quot;


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">naw..juss making the point that not all immigrants are of a darker hue..so me curious to see how dem gwine decide who an who fe drape up

what's the gordon brown thing? </div></div> </div></div>

me seh dem nu ez fe hussle..i was in a store in the deep in the caribbean hood and one a dem walk een a try sell summen..i was

[Tulip]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

I see the passions have been running high in the this thread.

I believe racial profiling is wrong, but I will admit that not so many years ago I was OK with it when flying. I am not proud of it, and it did not necessarily make me any safer on a plane.

When it comes to illegal immigrants, I believe that there are extenuating circumstances. Depending on how long you have been here, then some program should be put in place to make you legal.

That being said, I do not go for completely bending over backwards for any and every body who managed to get in. It is not like other countries are all that lenient about letting me come for anything other than a visit. When I was serious about moving to The Netherlands (and trust me I was), the bottom line was get a job first, get related to somebody first, or stay home. Straight no chaser.

[lonewolf]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is not like other countries are all that lenient about letting me come for anything other than a visit. When I was serious about moving to The Netherlands (and trust me I was), the bottom line was get a job first, get related to somebody first, or stay home. Straight no chaser.
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Yeah, that's because they ignore the race hustling, and bleeding heart liberal BS....because in the end someone or something (the government) which is the people that live there have to pay for those that are a burden on society if they can't support themeselves......reality is something that bleeding hearts ignore.....fantasy world is nice until somebody has to pay the bill.

[britisha]

Re: Arizona and it's new racist immigration &quot;laws&quot;

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all those eastern european immigrants sheg now.. </div></div>

Ironically many of those I spoke of with the expired visas are from that side of the globe.