this is absolutely disgusting..my friend just called me..

X · 05-02-2010, 01:01 PM

Re: this is absolutely disgusting..my friend just called me..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bleXXed</div><div class="ubbcode-body">working for the ttc is a very thankless job.

while he did what any normal human being would do (going after the person that spat in his face), the hypocritical TTC management may charge him for leaving his "Equipment" unattended.

A TTC bredrn a mine just got off extended leave for the same thing. Someone spat in his face at Yonge/bloor station (he's subway) he jumped out the window caught the guy and broke his nose.
My friend got charged for leaving his equipment unattended (fortunately he didnt get charged for assault)
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XX, is there a racial element to the above story or just general rude behaviour which in either case should not be condoned..
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At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act : George Orwell </div></div>

owning to the manipulation of information and the public by TTC's management, the frontline workers are treated like the scum of the earth by the riders.
While there sometines racially motivated, many times its just a result of how the TTC is percieved by the public and the fact that riders foolishly take their fustrations out on the operators.

I got fedup with corporate Canada a few years back, quit working for a director I realized was a frikin nazi, took a huge pay cut and drove TTC subway for awhile.. during that time i saved (foolish people and drunkards)lives was spat at by a coke head (that I was throwing off the train) and stabbed at by a Rasta (yup mi own Jafaken Rasta)
Not to mention my two suicides aka "platform emergency"
After 10 mths, I quit that crap..
That was the coveted Subway. Whit what i n=know now, no one could pay me to drive a bus or streetcar for TTC. The subway supposed not as bad as we just drove the trains, we didnt collect fares, so limited interaction with the public. Streetcar and Bus, the operator colelcts fares.. this is usually the point of altercation.
I'd prefer to drive a bus in the worst areas in Kingston, Jamaica before I'd drive a bus for TTC.

**barosa** · 05-03-2010, 01:09 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd prefer to drive a bus in the worst areas in Kingston, Jamaica before I'd drive a bus for TTC. </div></div>
I am not using them as I used to, but I think I know what you were up against while you were working with the TTC. I've been aware that things have gotten worse lately on the TTC, but am surprised that the subway drivers who were supposed to be shielded from the the public are now having to deal with the worst of them...
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At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act : George Orwell

**britisha** · 05-03-2010, 07:46 AM

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maybe y'all need cops on some lines as they do here...undacovah or in uniform.

<span style="color: #3333FF">...it IS a new day...thank you for your mercies Lord...have a nice day.</span>

X · 05-03-2010, 09:08 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: barosa</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd prefer to drive a bus in the worst areas in Kingston, Jamaica before I'd drive a bus for TTC. </div></div>
I am not using them as I used to, but I think I know what you were up against while you were working with the TTC. I've been aware that things have gotten worse lately on the TTC, but am surprised that the subway drivers who were supposed to be shielded from the the public are now having to deal with the worst of them...
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At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act : George Orwell </div></div>

Subway operators not as exposed as bus and street car, but still face the nastiness. This tends to happen mostly while "Guarding".. especially on the Hawker trains. What happen is that there are two type of trains on the TTC line, the (older) Siddeley Hawker and the newer Bombardier T1 (for Toronto 1).
The T1 is designed that when you open the driver cab door, it locks at 90degrees into a slot at the back of a passenger seat, this creates a barricade between the operator and the passengers. The older Hawker does not have this feature, suh when guarding, yuh have no way to seperate yourself from the crowd. This is especially dangerous in a packed train during peak hours.
There are other features that makes the T1 the desired train for operators, it has a MTU that has a imag of the train on display and for the most part will tell you where problems are, on the Hawker you have to use cave man tactics (push head out thru windows, check light colors, for air leaks, ckeck eack car iondividually for proper psi in the main reserve).. . The one we hated the most was that if you trip an emebrgency switch in a t1 (run a red light), you reset by simply finding a switch besuide the intercar door, fo the Hawker you have to go out the train, on the train, feel under the train for a rope that is usually caked wid mud, brake (asbestos) dust and oil.. (and all kinda crap picked up on the sewers in the subway), Now you need to yank on that rope hard.. somewhat like trying to start a lawn mower (only u stooping infront the train and pulling from under the train). Nuff time the rope will break sending the operator tumbling backwards. Now imagine doing this in the dead of winter and never mind tumbling onto the 600 volt power rail.

My attempted stabbing event was that I was driving the train north towards Downsview. Ok a step back.. Each train operated by a two person "Crew". One person gets a odd number, the other an even number. Suh I may be crew#120 and my partner would be crew# 121.
Odd # drive south from Downsview towards Finch and even # drives South from Finch towards Downsview (the line is U shaped with Finch and Downsview at each end) Now each Train/(Crew) has a "run #" which disctates what schedule you run the train on.
Suh mi driving mi nice Bombardier T1 train North towards DOwnsview (feeling good dat mi get a T1 dis mawning as mi wasnt feeling a Hawker this morning), coming up on Yorkdale station.. we running bout 15 mins late, suh central control call me up and tell me fi get mi partner ready fi a "cross over" in order to put us back ontime.
A "cross over" is a way to get the Line on schedule after peak hours or after an interruption.
What we do is, when we reach a station with a center platform, we exchage trains with a crew traveling in the opposite direction. The train going in the opposite direct would be avbout 15 mins ahead (or however late you are), so by taking over that train, and taking your Run# with you, the run # train is now on time. Suh seh Run # 12 is 15 mins late. If it was ontime it would be headed south approching Yordale, instaed its headed north. All they do is say, run 12 exchange with (say run 18 going south) run 18 at Yorkdale.
Yuh reach Yorkdale, me driving North powerdown the driving end and cross over to the waiting train that ios going south.
The other crew does the same.
Now sice I was driving North, I have to guard soing south.
Suh mi entereed the back car (car #6), put my operating keys in, close the doors (train wont get power to engine unless doors are closed) and my partner drives off going sount towards Lawerence wwest (i think). Now the rule is you guard from Car#5. This is for many reasons. But you will notice that the spot that women wait at late nights on the train lines up with Car#5. This is by design to provide additional safety. There are also some cloroed disk on the wall that lets you know that if you are in Car # 5 and the train stops in a station, and the disk on the wall lines up with your face, then its safe to open the doors.
If the disk is off , then you should not open the doors as some of the train may still be in the tunnel. You open the door while the train not properly on the platform, and the passengers walk out, fall onto the 600 Volt line.. well, u know the rest. Suh always guard from Car#5.
Anyhow, we got to Lawrence fast, suh mi use mi judgement and open from car 6 as mi never get to make mi way down to 5 fast enough.
Lock doors, going down to Glencarin. Mi hustle down, guy throug the inter-car doors.. as mi approach the cab in Car#5 there is a rasta bredren sitting in the seat rigt by the door controls.
Now the area is clearly written up "You will need to give up this seat upon request from TTC personnel in order for subway operation.." Something like dat..
Now this is the ediat Hawker, that mi hated. Mi did dun bex that here I was driving mi nice Bombardier T1 an mi had to give it up during the cross over fi dis ediat Hawker train..
Anyhow..

**Suesumba** · 05-03-2010, 09:34 AM

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i'm surprised he was awake

X · 05-03-2010, 10:37 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SueSumba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

i'm surprised he was awake </div></div>

this is one of those degrading pictures of TTC operators that been going around the internet.

This guy is a aging collector holding a snooze.
He's probably a hard working guy who pulling hours, maybe had issues that placed a strain on his energy, and in the wee hours, maybe not as much traffic passing thry the collection booth, he nodded off.
Now on the flip he may be a bad employee who always sleeps on the job.. regardless, he's human. How many people have taken a snooze on their job? For whatever reason, u may be not well, may be tired, may just need 15 min shuteye to reboot. Fortunately for many, they not in the public eye and have people snapping their photos and posting it all over the internet.
One incident that may be questionable should not be used to taint the good work of many.
This is one of the reasons I left the TTC.
People somehow think that by paying a few dollars to ride on the train, they somehow was to be treated like they had their own personal chauffer..
On the flip side, what doesnt make news t=is the lives saved daily by TTC operators.

I remember as I was guarding outta the top of the line (Downsview) .. i checked the platform.. clear, closing the door, a group of kids suddenly came running down the stairs.. most squeezed in in a nick of time as the door closed, but one kid, his bag stap around his neck, realized he wasnt going to make it befor the door closed, so he swung his bag towrads the door hoping it wiould wedge the door open. Open door = no power to the engines..
Well his bag flew thru the door and the door closed on his bag staps.
So bag of book inside train, strap thru door around his neck..
Power on, driver powerup and starts into the tunnel.
This while the bag acting like an anchor is pulling this frighten struggling kid by his neck alongside the train.. Fortunately I had glanced the play and realized that in a matter of seconds this kid would be pulled into the tunnel and best case the bag starp pops, worst case he is strangled or pulled into the tunnel and crused or electrocuted.
As my hands were closer to the controls than the emergency cord, I just powered on the car.
If two seperate cars are powered on, a breaker will pop which shutsdown drive power to the train.
The breaker poped, and the train stopped.
Now we had to reset breakers, explain to my parner what happened and prove I wasnt skylarking (or messing with the controls, which many of us newbies was know for), and
at the end of my 3:30AM shift spend another 30 mins or so writing up a report, which is usually followed by you getting your next pay stub with a red stamp "SEE SUPERINTENDENT"
No thank-u, no media, and to be honest, most dont want the hype. We just wanted to discretely do our jobs in order to provide for our families.

Its a frinking tankless job, and I'm soooo friking glad I quit.. moreso, I'm happy to have received such a unique experience... Nuff tings would never see living a corporate life.

**sistactry** · 05-03-2010, 11:47 AM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">karmic retribution for the spitter..

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exactly, boy ohhh boy, me wudda a see red to, my boy brakes the bus and chase him, lawd a heaven~~

X · 05-03-2010, 04:24 PM

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ok.. quick end to the "stab-after" incident..
Suh mi walk down to car# 5.
Mi noticed a rasta wannabe hombre sitting in the seat to the left that me mneed cleared so mi could open the doors as the train reach the next stop... Now usually people sitting there just getup as them see the operator a come and move to somewhere else. Worse the train was not packed.
mi open the cab to the right, put up mi knapsack pon a hook, turn round expecting that "Barbara Marley" would have gone, only fi turn round and see "Barbara" well comfortable and a screw up him face inna di seat.
Suh wid the keys, mi signal that mi need to get into that space..
Barbs a kissteeth and screwface.. 'Whey u a disrup mi mawning fah? " or something like that..
Suh mi seh "May I have that area to work from?"
Barbs kiss him teeth.
Suh trian a reach stop, now if it reaches the platform and the doors nuh open a trouble.
One the driver may not even notice that the door did not open and afetr a few seconds proceed to the next stop. This can result in pure problems case many elderly and blind people uses the subway and knows only their specifc stops . They miss a stop, you get reported, a writeup. Regardless, yuh hafi write a report the end of yuh shift.
Suh as the train a stop, my bwoy stubbornly get up, ringup him face and mutter, "p--hole come a disturb mi mawning"
suh as mi a flip up the seat and plug in the key, mi politely seh "you have a nice day."
Hear Missa Barbara.. "a who yuh a dismiss dem ways deh?
Suh mi a handle the door now, and him a hold agrument wid mi.. Mi a ignore him.
Hombre start phole mi up inna di train.. if mi know who him be..
Suh mi seh? "Who yuh be? God?"
him immediately start hype up.. "phole dis!, phole dat!..'"
hombre a approch me like him a chucky..
man a meck mi know mi a TTc suh mi cant agru wid him.
Suh mi just get tyad and seh.. "Man yuh bo...bo.. cl-rt.. ! Dont watch dis uniform, gwaan f--- wid me and see if mi nuh crush yuh r----..
Man start hype.. one bag a badwud whey meck me know him a real yardie..
Suh as the train a stop a Eglington West, knowing him a yardie mi seh " Guh s-- u madda an gwey!"
Rathid my bwoy get mad one bag a "you know me?" and whey him ago duh.. Now mi figure this was his stop cause a yahso most Jamaicans rested and how him did move to the door, him did ago head off. Him coem off, and walk guh into the car#4 infront.
Train a run.. Mi a watch him, him a watch me.
Suh duh a couple stops while a corner sight him. Mi see him teck up one a the losse newspaper and wrap something inna it and shub him hand under him shirt.
reach a St George station.. i see him come off the train. Now this is a long wait station sometime, suh mi a lean out the window a watch the light to close the doors. A him that a fish round.
Him come up tuh the window, and start the agrument again.
Mi get the light, close the doors, as the train a drive off and mi a lock the windw, him just meak a lunge and a stab.. mi just slam the window and the knife connect wid the window. As the train proceed off, mi push mi head out the window and shout "Pork eating dread mi shame a yuh!"
hehehe..

**Q3210** · 05-03-2010, 09:01 PM

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Yu is one who follows action or is it that action follows you

**ILP** · 05-03-2010, 09:19 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kia</div><div class="ubbcode-body">karmic retribution for the spitter.. </div></div>

you not even spit in dog face let alone human being if a mi...mida fine my way some kinna way to di bottom of daht 12ft drop ahn do im someting else.

can you imagine im so low down fi spit pon smaddy...

**Q3210** · 05-03-2010, 09:31 PM

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Eff him bruk him foot, good fi de spitzer

X · 05-03-2010, 10:13 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yu is one who follows action or is it that action follows you </div></div>
never thought of it that way.
mi duh everything fi avoid the hype, hence mi domicile existence pon ja.com.. shraing the experiences doe force mi fi rehash the memories and actually write dem down before me figet them totally.

X · 05-03-2010, 10:24 PM

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The gentleman in the article was one of the persons who trained me towards the latter part of the subway operator course.. I cant remember what they called them but there were a few senior operators that towards the end of the training, they put us on the line and have us teamup with for a few weeks. During that time you have 3 men manning the trian as the student doubles up with the "trainer"

Toronto Star Article - TTC drivers in crisis http://www.thestar.com/news/article/295876

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 14pt">TTC drivers in crisis</span>
January 21, 2008

David Bruser

Subway driver Bryan Tollefson, at his Angus home, suffered from post-traumatic stress after seeing two suicides and an accidental death. Depression returned when a drunk assaulted him.

TORY ZIMMERMAN FOR THE TORONTO STAR

Nearly 200 TTC bus, streetcar and subway operators are suffering from severe stress usually associated with survivors of combat, natural disasters and rape.

Their rate of post-traumatic stress disorder is about four times that of police officers who patrol Toronto streets, and the city's transit drivers report these problems more than any other workers in Ontario, according to provincial data.

Drivers have suffered a wide range of abuse – shot at with an air rifle, punched in the eye, head-butted in the mouth, gashed with a broken beer bottle, to list just a few examples the Star uncovered.

Shawn Gilchrist, psychologically crippled by the disorder, missed nearly two years of work after four riders swarmed and dragged him to the bus floor, then kicked, punched and dislodged a molar.

A driver got a gob of spit in the face and mouth, and spent weeks off work and ran through many tubes of toothpaste trying to erase the memory.

Another driver, Michael, said he was driving along Kipling Ave. in 2005 when the headlights of an oncoming Jetta went out. The sedan crept closer, its passenger window going down. Seconds later, the window next to Michael's head had a hole in it and a spider web of cracks.

"I saw this thing coming out of the sedan's window, and I'm still looking at it. All of sudden ... Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. I screamed at everyone: `Get down. We're taking fire.' I didn't know what to say," said Michael, his voice quickening and pitched with anger. "I thought: I'm not going to see my family again. This is it."He later learned he was shot at with an air rifle and was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

"I couldn't sleep. I kept being paranoid. I didn't want to drive."

The Star obtained the records from the Workplace Safety & Insurance Board after a freedom of information battle lasting nearly two years. Names of drivers were withheld. Through interviews the Star found some claimants and agreed not to identify those with strong concern for their safety.

In a five-year period ending in 2005, at least 181 drivers claimed post-traumatic stress disorder, missing an average of 49 days of work, with some absent only days and others more than a year. The traumatized drivers missed a total of nearly 9,000 workdays. An additional 102 operators reported missing weeks or months of work because they were suffering anxiety, neurotic disorders and depression.

The men and women on the front lines of the TTC, for the most part, take the job because they like sitting behind the wheel, chatting with the public and earning a steady paycheque.

But some drivers say they have become easy targets for surly riders. They are demoralized, tentative around strangers and fearful.

Subway operator Bryan Tollefson, who suffered from the disorder 10 years ago after seeing two suicides and an accidental death in the subway, says he has sunk back into depression after a drunk head-butted him in the mouth in 2006.

With overcrowding on buses and streetcars, fare hikes and traffic snarling transit schedules, the operators say they are facing an increasingly frustrated, unpredictable public. The number of reported crimes on TTC property spiked dramatically in 2006, from 2,744 the year before to 3,415, a 24 per cent increase. Meanwhile, the drivers struggle for sympathy from their own employer, an outfit of nearly 11,000 employees heavily focused on timely service and, drivers say, not enough on their safety.

TTC management, though, is making a big push to make life on the road and rails less stressful."I think we have an obligation to do something," said TTC chair Adam Giambrone. "This is unacceptable. We have to take this seriously. This is about respect and safety of our operators. They didn't sign up to be soldiers."

Post-traumatic stress disorder, often caused by witnessing or experiencing a traumatic event involving the threat of injury or death, is the second-leading cause of loss-time at the TTC. Transit commission workers suffering sprains, strains and tears missed a total of 27,000 days of work between 2000 and 2005, the most recent years available to the Star.

Symptoms of the disorder include frequent, involuntary reliving of the event and irritability, and could include increased blood pressure and feelings of helplessness. Sufferers could also develop unhealthy coping devices, such as feelings of detachment and numbness.

"You live an increasingly narrow life and, on top of that, (you) are in a kind of a hyper-arousal state, ready to fight or flight," said Dr. Alain Brunet, psychiatry professor at McGill University. "(Sufferers) don't sleep well, they have problems concentrating, easily distracted, easily startled, and they may have a short fuse."

Described, often dismissively, as shell shock in World War I, and neurosis in World War II, and captured in Vietnam War-era photos as the "thousand-yard stare," post-traumatic stress disorder is now recognized not as a moral weakness but as a legitimate, sometimes devastating disorder.

"I came to the realization I was shut off all the time, even when I came home," said subway operator Tollefson, who says he missed five months of work in the late '90s due to the disorder. "It bothers me that I don't feel anything. Oftentimes I don't feel anger or joy or pleasure. You just go about your business. You do what is right by your family, but there's no feeling behind it."

Several psychiatrists and experts say bus drivers are more prone to the disorder than those in many other jobs.

"They're easy targets. They wear a uniform. They represent a form of authority but without too much power," said Brunet, who found a "higher than expected" rate of the disorder among Montreal bus drivers in a study conducted 12 years ago.Norman Shields, a psychologist who treats combat veterans, says bus drivers might be more likely to suffer from the disorder than soldiers because of the driver's relative inability to act – to use handcuffs, a weapon, anything to react to the adrenaline rush that comes with an assault.

"We're sitting ducks out here," said Dino, a bus driver for 10 years. "You don't know when it's coming."

Dino, 43, who says he's been punched, threatened with death, spit on and had to dodge rocks thrown through his windshield, doesn't want his last name published for fear his assailants will track him down. Dino missed a month of work in 2000 after a domestic dispute spilled onto his bus and a man waved a gun in his face, muttering, "I'm going to blow your head off."

While TTC officials say 99 per cent of the riding public are kind and thankful, it is clear drivers have become whipping posts for frustrated Torontonians.

"Imagine if I was in a supermarket, and I didn't like the price of milk that day and I punched the clerk," said Bob Kinnear, head of Amalgamated Transit Union Local 113, which represents the 4,500 TTC operators. "I don't know of many jobs where you have people missing time because they got punched in the face at work."

Giambrone says the rise is due in part to increasing pressures on the system.

"We carry more people. We have more customer service complaints," Giambrone says. "Are people more upset when the quality of service is not what it was in the past? Absolutely. Is it acceptable to take it out on the driver? No."

A dedicated and decorated employee, Shawn Gilchrist, 47, needed only four years on the job to become the driver he is today: Nervous in public and joyless on the job.

His breaking point: Around 8 p.m., May 7, 2005. He asked a man who underpaid to pay a full fare. The rider taunted Gilchrist until the bus pulled into the Lawrence West subway station. "Four guys kicked the s--- out of me. I was panicking for my life," said Gilchrist, who, before joining the TTC, made headlines when he tackled a gun-wielding, would-be bank robber at a midtown CIBC branch.

"I had trouble sleeping. I wasn't eating. I was afraid to leave my apartment. I was crying for no reason. I don't think I'm a wimp."

His colleague and friend Fred Hickey, 38, missed 11 months due to post-traumatic stress disorder after a rider pierced his lip with a broken beer bottle May 29, 2004.

TTC officials say they cannot pinpoint the cost of the problem, though all claims accepted by the Workplace Safety & Insurance Board, including those involving physical injuries, drain nearly $10 million from the commission every year.

Add to this the cost of lost fares as drivers increasingly fear challenging riders who don't pay. Several drivers interviewed by the Star said it's a simple if depressing choice: Ignore the fraud, or challenge the freeloader and risk a punch.

"I fear fare disputes because I just want to get home in one piece," says driver Anne Marie Dennis, 40. "You do it to the wrong person and he pulls a knife."

Dennis, a light bruise fading from around her left eye, talked to the Star two days after being hit in the face by a rider she asked to leave the bus for swearing at passengers. On the report Dennis is required to fill out after such an incident, the doctor at the walk-in clinic near her home wrote: "Stressed out, fear of going back to work."

And the cost mounts. Due to an increase in driver assaults, the TTC plans to install plastic shields on buses and streetcars. One prototype, including installation, would cost $1,500 per bus. The shields could appear as soon as this year.

As part of a $34 million project, the TTC is currently installing cameras on buses and streetcars and in subway stations to help deter would-be offenders.

Also, with the help of a $446,000 research grant from the Workplace Safety & Insurance Board, the TTC, along with two Toronto hospitals, this month began a study of drivers who have suffered stress-related injuries. The TTC's chief safety officer says the study should help the commission understand how to best treat sufferers of post-traumatic stress disorder.

In December, the TTC announced it will spend more than $7 million to hire a U.S. firm expected to reduce workplace injuries by reviewing and possibly enhancing safety polices. The contract could run as high as $9 million. The firm is the same one NASA hired after its last shuttle disaster killed seven.

Bus driver Fernando Da Silva recalled a recent fare dispute that erupted into violence when a rider punched him in the face. "All they cared about was the paperwork. All they care about: Are you coming to work tomorrow? Are you going to file WSIB?" he said. "All I wanted was ice on my eye."

TTC chair Giambrone says what Da Silva described "often leads to taking a bad situation and making it worse. Bad culture in the workplace leads to bad attitudes."

Giambrone and general manager Gary Webster said the agency is trying to do a better job of serving drivers' mental and emotional needs."I think as a company we've been a bit too hard-nosed, punitive," said Webster, sitting in his office at TTC headquarters, a book on workplace safety on his coffee table. "These (drivers) are very concerned about their safety. A lot of them are saying: `Show me the action.'"

But for driver Gary Dennis, Anne Marie's husband, the plastic shields threaten to drive an even deeper wedge between rider and driver.

"I'd probably quit the job if shields were put on," he said. "I'm claustrophobic. I like to deal with people."

Instead, Dennis would like to see more special constables to bolster the TTC's current force of 95 that is charged with patrolling the system's nearly 2,000 buses, streetcars and subway trains.

A TTC official says the commission is considering doubling the constable ranks by 2011.

"I think a lot of our surface operators don't feel like they have support out there," Giambrone said.

Data analysis by the Star's Andrew Bailey

David Bruser can be reached at 416-869-4282 or [email protected]

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**Q3210** · 05-03-2010, 10:34 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bleXXed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yu is one who follows action or is it that action follows you </div></div>
never thought of it that way.
mi duh everything fi avoid the hype, hence mi domicile existence pon ja.com.. shraing the experiences doe force mi fi rehash the memories and actually write dem down before me figet them totally. </div></div>

You`re a good writer....bilingual at that.

X · 05-03-2010, 10:43 PM

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bleXXed</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yu is one who follows action or is it that action follows you </div></div>
never thought of it that way.
mi duh everything fi avoid the hype, hence mi domicile existence pon ja.com.. shraing the experiences doe force mi fi rehash the memories and actually write dem down before me figet them totally. </div></div>

You`re a good writer....bilingual at that. </div></div>
bilingual??
What Patwa and English or foolishness and sense?

this is absolutely disgusting..my friend just called me..

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