Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

[evanovitch]

PNP not yet ready to comment

PNP not yet ready to comment
Friday, 14 May 2010

Julian Robinson.The Opposition People's National Party (PNP) says it is keeping a close watch on the latest development, but will not comment at this time.

RJR News spoke with the party's Deputy General Secretary Julian Robinson.

"At this time the party is not ready to make any formal comment. We will continue to watch the developments with keen interest as we know the rest of the country is and once there is something definitive that emerges on those consultations the party will comment on the matter," he said.

The PNP is among the groups calling for the resignation of Mr. Golding.

PNP leader Portia Simpson Miller told reporters earlier this week that she had lost confidence in the Prime Minister following his admission that he sanctioned the Manatt, Phillips and Phelps meeting.

The PNP President has called an emergency meeting of the party's influential National Executive Council [NEC] for Sunday.

This move is in keeping with the PNP's signal that it is moving to increase political pressure on the Bruce Golding led government.

Thursday, PNP Chairman Robert Pickersgill said the party was ready to take over power.

"I don't think he is going to leave office and leave it like that. The weapon that he has under the Westminster model is if there is an implosion in his party he calls an election. From our standpoint, we can't predict so we must prepare and be ready for any eventuality. If he were to call an election tomorrow...we are ready," Mr. Pickersgill said.

And the Patriots, The Caucus of Young Professionals aligned to the PNP, said it will formally call for its parent body to begin a total boycott of Parliament if Mr. Golding does not resign.

The group says it is appalled, that in the face of such a genuine public outcry regarding the Prime Minister's deception, JLP officials have been attempting to further confuse the issue.

[Q3210]

Re: Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

Serious ting yu know. Eddie is de only one who stood by his words. He was the only one that was prepared to make unpopular decisions.
What he got for it was demons instead of respect.

A pity he never realized his ambitions of Minister of Welfare and Development, where the city of Kingston would have been given a face-lift, thence encouraging commerce to stay and thrive in the capital centre, downtown.

[Emperah]

Re: Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was listening to Nationwide FM 90 seems they had a Bruce Resignation Party but the wrong crowd showed up almost everyone was worried that the Comrades are coming forward.

I say Elections give the people what they want. </div></div>

yuh always ha nuff fi seh ee

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Should Bruce resign? - &quot;No greater love hath a politician...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best quote I have heard so far today is this one...&quot;No greater love hath a politician...than to give up his political career for his DON&quot; </div></div>

True!
In this case the Don name is Harold Brady and company!

[Q3210]

Re: Should Bruce resign? - &quot;No greater love hath a politician...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best quote I have heard so far today is this one...&quot;No greater love hath a politician...than to give up his political career for his DON&quot; </div></div>

If Bruised does that, it will be out of fear more than out of love.

[evanovitch]

Re: Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Serious ting yu know. Eddie is de only one who stood by his words. He was the only one that was prepared to make unpopular decisions.
What he got for it was demons instead of respect.

A pity he never realized his ambitions of Minister of Welfare and Development, where the city of Kingston would have been given a face-lift, thence encouraging commerce to stay and thrive in the capital centre, downtown. </div></div>

ahhhh...u seet doah...dem seh him was tooo coldhearted...but look at how tings tun out...btw, how come di former pm a sue ovah di plane ting seh dem defame him but him neva sue ovah di sugga rumours...

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Serious ting yu know. Eddie is de only one who stood by his words. </div></div>

Eddie was the One Don.
Bruce must overstand that no matter what you see when you arrive yu have to establish yuself as the<span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"> One Don</span>!

[evanovitch]

Re: Should Bruce resign? - &quot;No greater love hath a politician...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xavier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The best quote I have heard so far today is this one...&quot;No greater love hath a politician...than to give up his political career for his DON&quot; </div></div>

True!
In this case the Don name is <span style="font-weight: bold">Harold Brady </span>and company! </div></div>

wat exakly Harold did? it would seem dat u imply him act on his own...do u know of Harold 'bowtie' Brady?

[Q3210]

Re: PNP not yet ready to comment

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PNP not yet ready to comment
Friday, 14 May 2010

Julian Robinson.The Opposition People's National Party (PNP) says it is keeping a close watch on the latest development, but will not comment at this time.

RJR News spoke with the party's Deputy General Secretary Julian Robinson.

&quot;At this time the party is not ready to make any formal comment. We will continue to watch the developments with keen interest as we know the rest of the country is and once there is something definitive that emerges on those consultations the party will comment on the matter,&quot; he said.

The PNP is among the groups calling for the resignation of Mr. Golding.

PNP leader Portia Simpson Miller told reporters earlier this week that she had lost confidence in the Prime Minister following his admission that he sanctioned the Manatt, Phillips and Phelps meeting.

The PNP President has called an emergency meeting of the party's influential National Executive Council [NEC] for Sunday.

This move is in keeping with the PNP's signal that it is moving to increase political pressure on the Bruce Golding led government.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Thursday, PNP Chairman Robert Pickersgill said the party was ready to take over power.</span>
&quot;I don't think he is going to leave office and leave it like that. The weapon that he has under the Westminster model is if there is an implosion in his party he calls an election. From our standpoint, we can't predict so we must prepare and be ready for any eventuality. If he were to call an election tomorrow...we are ready,&quot; Mr. Pickersgill said.

And the Patriots, The Caucus of Young Professionals aligned to the PNP, said it will formally call for its parent body to begin a total boycott of Parliament if Mr. Golding does not resign.

The group says it is appalled, that in the face of such a genuine public outcry regarding the Prime Minister's deception, JLP officials have been attempting to further confuse the issue.



</div></div>
Reminds me of the that time of the month man who was once heard saying that, &quot;We think that it is best for us to run the country and <span style="text-decoration: underline">anything</span> for us to remain and do so is best for the country:.

[evanovitch]

Jamaica's diplomatic rows with the U.S

Jamaicas diplomatic rows with the U.S


Gary Spaulding, Senior Gleaner Writer

JAMAICA IS no stranger to conflicts, disagreements, or diplomatic rows with the mighty United States or powerful US-backed organisations.

Past diplomatic stand-offs between the two countries have created graphic imagery of the oft-recited biblical David and Goliath story.

And as it was with much smaller David, Jamaican leaders have refused to back down claiming nobly that they have principle on their side.

Former prime ministers - Michael Manley, Edward Seaga and P.J. Patterson - have, during their tenures, boldly squared off with the United States or its organisations.

Manley's advocacy for social and economic equality in the ideological struggles between the United States and Jamaica in the 1970s is well documented.

Seaga, who had started out as a staunch ally of the Ronald Reagan administration in the early 1980s, would wrestle with the influential International Monetary Fund in the late 1980s.

Patterson initiated diplomatic stand-offs with the United States twice during his tenure - arising from an extradition row in 1992 and the US's alleged involvement in the removal of former Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 2004.

The men, who led Jamaica for a total of 35 years in 1972 and 2006, claimed that they had adopted principled positions.

Now the Bruce Golding administration faces its own dilemma with the US.

But it has been a lonely path for the Government as it does not seem to be enjoying widespread support from prominent Jamaicans or influential organisations.

Need time to assess

Political historians say they need more time and information to analyse the periods and factors that motivated the political leaders.

&quot;I think it's impossible to answer the question without a clear understanding of the individual motives for the respective divisions,&quot; said John Rapley.

&quot;You would need to establish what the grounds for the decisions were, what (where relevant) principles were involved, and assess the current case in light of the available evidence.

&quot;To really do this well would require careful study of the individuals' memoirs or, better yet, interviews,&quot; he added.

Michael Burke responded: &quot;I do not remember what exactly it was the specifics when Seaga stood up to the IMF … other than that, everything else were all principled positions.&quot;

But the records show that Seaga collided with the IMF over the pace and nature of economic conditionalities as the political tide turned against the Jamaica Labour Party in 1986.

Seaga refused to budge when the IMF sought to force his hand to devaluate the local currency.

Resisted IMF demand

In Seaga's view, the IMF's original insistence on devaluation was reasonable due to Jamaica's high level of macro imbalances, but later he resisted the IMF's demand for a further devaluation.

The IMF insisted and Seaga, known for his firm and defiant stance, withheld payments as a &quot;negotiating tactic&quot; to get the bank to change its mind on the issue of a further devaluation.

It's understood that the IMF became concerned that this &quot;was a bad example that others may follow&quot;.

Seaga arranged a meeting with then IMF managing director, Jacques de la Rosiere, at a World Bank meeting in Seoul.

Shortly after, in January 1987, he negotiated the pegging of the rate of exchange with the IMF, which lasted through the remainder of the 1980s.

Seaga's predecessor was described in the western international political arena as a fiery leftist and critic of the United States in the 1970s.

Manley was anything but bashful in his first two terms as prime minister, a period which generated great controversy and projected his country into international headlines.

He implemented his brand of 'democratic socialism' two years after he was elected in 1974, much to the dismay of the US.

Manley fearlessly developed closer ties between Jamaica and Fidel Castro's Cuba, and criticised America and other Western countries.

He led the Movement of Non-Aligned Nations into the formation of a New International Economic Order against what he considered the exploitation of the West.

Manley saw Cuba and the Cuban model as having much to offer both Jamaica and the world.

The man who succeeded Manley was quite the opposite in personality and stature, but his political colleagues and rivals learnt quickly that he was no walkover.

Patterson made international headlines in 2004 when, as chairman of CARICOM, he led the regional organisation in the decision to refuse recognition of the Gérard Latortue government in Haiti following the removal of the democratically elected president, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, from office.

Arranged temporary residence

The former Jamaican prime minister arranged for the ousted Haitian leader to take up temporary residence in Jamaica during Aristide's lawsuit against the United States and France accusing them of kidnapping him.

The Patterson-led CARICOM called for a United Nations investigation into Aristide's removal, but were reportedly pressured by the US and France to drop their request.

Some observers suggest the rebellion and removal of Aristide were covertly orchestrated by these two countries.

Twelve years earlier, shortly after Patterson assumed the helm of Government, his administration would run on a collision course with the US.

The diplomatic stand-off took shape when a man being sought by the United States was snatched away due to an administrative mishap in 1992.

On June 12, 1991, an administrative error in the Registry of the Jamaican Court of Appeal - the misplacing of a document confirming Morrison's intention to appeal - led to Morrison being surrendered prematurely to US law-enforcement agents who extradited him to the USA.

The P.J. Patterson administration made unsuccessful diplomatic and legal efforts to have the Americans return him, since he had not been legally extradited.

Imprisoned without parole

In April 1992, Morrison was tried in the Middle District Court, Fort Myers, Florida, and sentenced to 24 1/2 years' imprisonment without parole on cocaine charges.

At the time, the Morrison case generated a lot of discussion in Jamaica and the United States and escalated into an international dispute between the two countries.

The P.J. Patterson administration complained that there had been a breach of its Extradition Treaty with the United States.

The stance of the United States authorities then was whether the accused had an appeal pending elsewhere, or how he had got to the United States in the first place.

Former Justice Minister K.D. Knight told Parliament that on the instructions of Cabinet, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs dispatched two Diplomatic Notes to the US Government.

When the US refused to respond favourably, the P.J. Patterson Government suspended extraditions until the US tidied its systems.

Ironically, as the Bruce Golding administration continues to be enmeshed in the knotty diplomatic row with the United States, over another extradition request, the attorney general and justice minister, Dorothy Lightbourne, is using the 1992 experience to defend the Government's position on the high-profile extradition request for celebrated Tivoli Gardens leader Christopher 'Dudus' Coke.

&quot;It is to be recalled that as a result of the hasty and precipitous action of a former minister of justice, a Jamaican national was improperly and illegally extradited to the US in 1992,&quot; Lightbourne declared.
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[Q3210]

Re: Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evanovitch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Serious ting yu know. Eddie is de only one who stood by his words. He was the only one that was prepared to make unpopular decisions.
What he got for it was demons instead of respect.

A pity he never realized his ambitions of Minister of Welfare and Development, where the city of Kingston would have been given a face-lift, thence encouraging commerce to stay and thrive in the capital centre, downtown. </div></div>

ahhhh...u seet doah...dem seh him was tooo coldhearted...but look at how tings tun out...btw, how come di former pm a sue ovah di plane ting seh dem defame him but him neva sue ovah di sugga rumours... </div></div>

Folks will realize if dem did have a strict mama and papa in the family holding it together for not only themselves but for those of the up coming generation to inherit, was almost equal to the behaviour of the so-called cold hearted Eddie.
A strict almost hated Mama was the one who loved us the most.
`Twas when we became adults we looked back and realized that strong backbone was the moulding of good children.

[Q3210]

Re: Jamaica's diplomatic rows with the U.S

Patterson`s legacy was about more man have car, more man have cell phone and more man have ooman.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Jamaica's diplomatic rows with the U.S

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Q3210</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Patterson`s legacy was about more man have car, more man have cell phone and more man have ooman. </div></div>

Yeah and Peter Phillips ended up blaming the Cyar and the Cell Phone for the rise in crime. Of course no one made the connection to PJoke Statement and no one remembers the fact that Peter Phillips in a backhanded blamed his Party own philosophy for his inability as a Minister of National Security.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Jamaica's diplomatic rows with the U.S

Here is one reason why Bruce must resign or call new Elections and it has zero to with Manatt Phelps.

If the JLP comes out of their leadership meeting this weekend, Bruce is still the Leader and Dwight Nelson is still Minister of National Security then we can deduce that not everything was discussed and there is still a lot left to go bad.

Down the road when 1k more Jamaicans gets murdered and it time to ditch Tweety-Bird how will Bruce have to moral authority to do it, knowing that the Cabinet, the Senate and the Party had stood by him through this mess?

I think his position is <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">untenable</span>.

[Q3210]

Re: Jamaica's diplomatic rows with the U.S

With a pack of dinasours all that will come from the week end retreat was how good the food and drink was and Jamaica will be shunned as is the case always.