Should Bruce resign? yes r no?

[evanovitch]

dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

exams..dem fi report deh at 8 am..now how dem pickney fi reach from Tivoli an surrounding areas etc at dat time fi do exam if di road dem block...

[Hush Darlin]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

well dem mite oopen a likke paawt before day and send dem out

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

So I was listening to Left Right and Center Nationwide News 90FM and they used the blockade to illustrated the fact that if Dudus had been sent earlier it would not have mattered. They also said Mr. Golding and Politicians generally are not to be blamed for this kind of actions by denizens of these Communities.

Wrong on both counts.

I think it time for Jamaicans to call on the Government of Jamaica to resign, failing that for Mr. Golding to resign as Leader of the Country or the seek a declaration from his Constituency whether or not he still represents them.

Lets say we believe all he has said about the MMP/Brady/GOJ/JLP/Dudus Affair. In all the high profile consultations all the high cost interventions, he never spent any of that time and money preparing his Constituents (especially in Tivoli Gardens), for a plan B?

Didn't he read what the Media was reporting the last 18 months?
Didn't he see that this thing has escalated, into more than a criminal wanted by the USA and now has been infused with emotions on all sides?
Since he claimed the JLP inserted itself into the Treaty matter wouldn't it be fair to say the JLP and the Government, should be 100% responsible for what is taking place in Tivoli and West Kingston now?

Seriously, no one is going to listen to me but sensible folks need to look at this. Clearly Mr. Golding, reputed to be the smartest man in the JLP and the Cabinet, is not smart enough when given 18 months to defuse a ticking time bomb in his own backyard.

This guy is toast one way or another!

[halfwaytree]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This guy is toast one way or another! </div></div>

Agreed! It's really just a matter of time now.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Curmudgeon_Milo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

This guy is toast one way or another! </div></div>

Agreed! It's really just a matter of time now. </div></div>

I don't think we should wait I think we should help him along the way.
And just to be clear, my disagreement is not because he did not send Dudus in a tiemely manner. It is with MPP and now the barricades in Tivoli.

I think Bruce is lying he always wanted to send Dudus, he and his cohorts just wanted to find out if he knew anything to hurt anyone, coupled with his way of putting of important decision.

Any sensible Leader would have prepared Dudus and the rest of his Constituents for Plan B.
Would not have inserted the Party in what was clearly Government to Government matter.
Would not have tried to pass off such a clumsy explanation of MPP, that fell to Karl Samuda to give and for him to further expand on.

Oh and I am also not saying any member of the JLP is involved with Dudus or in wrong doing. Or that Dudus is guilty of anything.

Mr. Golding could only be blamed for knowing Dudus in the last two or so years. Basically he has as they say in Jamaica Buy-Out something that was not his problem. If that is not a sign of impaired judgment then I don't know what is.

[evanovitch]

Local courts to examine legality of extradition evidence

Local courts to examine legality of extradition evidence
Wednesday, 19 May 2010
Attorney-at-law and Queens Counsel Lord Anthony Gifford says in addition to determining if alleged drug and gun baron Christopher ‘Dudus' Coke should be extradited, the courts will have to determine whether the evidence against him was illegally obtained.

According to Lord Anthony the court will, no doubt, examine the government's claim that the United States obtained evidence against Christopher Coke illegally.

&quot;This is going to be one of the points that the judiciary is going to have to deal with and one thing I think we should have confidence in, in this troubled time, is that we have a judiciary that has integrity and can be relied on to look at these issues dispassionately and make a right decision,&quot; Lord Anthony said.

<span style="font-weight: bold">He said he is confident that the court will not be influenced by any external factors.</span>

He also said normally, the judge determines if the evidence is admissible, even if it was illegally obtained.

However, he noted the American judicial system has a different set of rules.

&quot;They call it ‘the fruit of the poison tree'. If the tree is poisoned, the source is poisoned, the evidence cannot be admitted unless it is confirmed in some other way. I am not an expert on this but American law has developed exclusionary rules which sanction the authorities against breaking the law in their efforts,&quot; he said.

<span style="font-weight: bold">He said the judges involved in Mr. Coke's extradition case will have to grapple with the decision to use the evidence, which the government claimed, was obtained illegally.</span>

Lord Anthony said however, the local judiciary is fully capable of handling the issue.

[evanovitch]

Re: Local courts to examine legality of extradition evidence

Local attorney weighs in on extradition matter
Wednesday, 19 May 2010

Attorney-at-law Bert Samuels.Public discourse has turned to whether the man at the centre of the current legal and political controversy will surrender to the Jamaican authorities or face forceful extraction by the armed forces.

The issue of what will become of him after his arrest is also a hot topic.

Attorney at Law Bert Samuels weighed in on the preliminary legal hurdles facing Christopher &quot;Dudus&quot; Coke, when the police execute the arrest warrant against the Western Kingston strongman.

Mr. Samuels is of the opinion that Coke has two practical options available to him.

One is that he surrenders to the security forces under the guidance of his attorneys.

The other is that he be forcefully taken into custody, with the possibility of blood being shed in the process.

The defence attorney, who was speaking on RJR's Hotline on Wednesday afternoon, says once Coke is in custody, his lawyers are likely to face some hurdles.

He says procedure dictates that they first apply for bail, similar to how bail applications are sought for suspects brought before the court.

His chances of getting bail?

&quot;One out of a hundred.<span style="font-weight: bold"> He has heard in the press local and abroad that he is needed. He had ample time to disappear, he did not do that, so why would you think that he would now disappear when he has come in voluntarily,&quot; Mr. Samuels said.</span>
Despite the likely difficulties in securing bail, the attorney argues that his chances would improve if he surrenders to the police.

Mr. Samuels anticipates that Coke's attorneys will face several impediments as they begin preliminary work to map out legal strategies for their client's defence.

&quot;The magistrate cannot deny him bail until the date of the hearing, which is an awkward process. It is awkward because all we have is the witness statement and I gather that in this matter they have fictitious names,&quot;

&quot;We do not have the persons who are going to testify in the United States present in our courts. He will be tried by a judge alone, not a jury...we don't know who it is so we are really shooting in the dark as lawyers,&quot;

He says he expects Coke's lawyers to mount a challenge in the high court by seeking a judicial review of the extradition order.

&quot;You can challenge the action of the executive on the basis that it has no support in law and therefore I suspect that one of the first moves by Mr. Coke's attorney is to challenge the decision to have signed the order for the extradition to go ahead,&quot; he said.

[evanovitch]

Dudus lawyers file motion in Supreme Court

Dudus lawyers file motion in Supreme Court


The Gleaner Power 106 News has learnt that the attorneys for Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke today filed a motion in the Supreme Court against the Justice Minister of Jamaica, Dorothy Lightbourne.

We were however unable to get details of the motion up to news time.

On Monday, following the Prime Minister, Bruce Golding’s announcement that the extradition order would be signed, Tom Tavares-Finson, who represented Dudus, indicated that his attorneys would be appealing the decision.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: Dudus lawyers file motion in Supreme Court

I am tired to read these experts every child in Jamaica understand all the ramifications already. It is commonsense and we have enough examples from historical events in Jamaica to know how courthouse things run in Jamaica.

The thing with this is that Mr. Golding and the JLP buying it out and now the residents barricaded in Tivoli has crossed the Rubicon. This is what folks should be addressing. Is this the actions of a so-called <span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">smart-leader</span>?

<span style="font-style: italic">I think I better join Facebook maybe there is a least discussions on Facebook. This site is only for posting regurgitated junk from notably horrible Jamaican Media that rely on the same ole talking heads daily.</span>

[MarieK]

Re: Dudus lawyers file motion in Supreme Court

a lil background



The implications of last week’s request by the United States government for the extradition of the Jamaica Labour Party (JLP) strongman Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke on alleged drug trafficking charges are expected to unfold in the coming weeks and months.

Under existing conditions, the US request for his extradition would be forwarded to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, after which it is expected to be sent to the office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), then to the Attorney General’s office and back to the DPP where arrests warrants are drawn up and sent to the police.

Coke is the leader of Tivoli Gardens, where residents are fiercely loyal to the ruling party. Details are sketchy, but Coke is believed to be on a list of drug trafficking suspects wanted by the US Drug Enforcement Agency.

His father, Lester Lloyd Coke, otherwise known as Jim Brown, leader of the feared Shower Posse, died at the General Penitentiary in 1992 while awaiting extradition to the US for murder and drug trafficking.

Coke’s brother, Omar, was one of two alleged cop killers shot by police after they reportedly gunned down a police corporal at the intersection of West Kings House and Waterloo roads in May 2003. Prior to that, Mark Anthony Coke, his elder brother, was gunned down in 1992.

Coke’s troubles

Christopher Coke has had his own troubles with the law. In 1997, he was charged for murder after he allegedly shot and killed Michael Porter at the Metropolitan Bus Terminus in downtown Kingston. He was exonerated.

The community leader was also implicated in a triple murder in Hannah Town, which rocked the nation in 1993, when two children and an old man were killed in a blaze of gunfire.

The victims, Errol Hines, 66-year-old shoemaker, seven-year-old Lorna Mitchell and five-year-old Audrey Collins were gunned down during a pre-dawn strike on the community. Coke appeared in court in March 1994, but the case was dismissed after the main witness changed her testimony. She was cited for perjury.

Coke’s rule, however, has not been smooth. He earned the wrath of former Opposition Leader Edward Seaga in 1994, after Tivoli Gardens gangsters clashed with opponents in the west Kingston constituency.

Fifteen persons, including <span style="font-weight: bold">seven-year-old Crystal Francis</span> of 13 Wellington Street, were murdered. An angry Seaga, who was then the MP for west Kingston, submitted a list of names of 13 men to then commissioner of police, Colonel Trevor MacMillan (retired), and threatened to publish a full-page ad with a reward of $25,000 for Coke’s capture.

Coke’s current status with Prime Minister Bruce Golding, Member of Parliament for west Kingston, is not clear. According to sources in the constituency, PM Golding has been forced to deal with the strongman who, like his predecessors, Claudie Massop, and Coke’s father, is well cemented in the constituency.

Tightly controlled

It is well known that like other garrison communities, west Kingston is tightly controlled. According to sources, under the rules which govern the community, gang members who take guns into the community, must declare them and then a decision is taken whether they should keep the weapons. In some cases, members are allowed to keep their weapons if they are of the calibre that is usually kept on the street corners. Otherwise, the system owns and controls all guns.

The history of the community was among factors which influenced incumbent commissioner of police Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin to describe the community as the “mother of all garrisons” while he was head of the army.

There is no doubt that the US request sent shockwaves throughout the country and especially in the JLP strongholds, as many are sitting on the fence watching how the government would deal with its latest dilemma.

http://www.sunheraldja.com/2009/08/wanted-%E2%80%93%C2%A0us-requests-dudus%E2%80%99-extradition/

[MarieK]

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[MarieK]

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disya video yah juss mek mi realise seh dis whole thing is a waste of time nutt'n nah change unless it a guh get wuss

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[Hush Darlin]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tuff Gong</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I was listening to Left Right and Center Nationwide News 90FM and they used the blockade to illustrated the fact that if Dudus had been sent earlier it would not have mattered. They also said Mr. Golding and Politicians generally are not to be blamed for this kind of actions by denizens of these Communities.

Wrong on both counts.

I think it time for Jamaicans to call on the Government of Jamaica to resign, failing that for Mr. Golding to resign as Leader of the Country or the seek a declaration from his Constituency whether or not he still represents them.

Lets say we believe all he has said about the MMP/Brady/GOJ/JLP/Dudus Affair. In all the high profile consultations all the high cost interventions, he never spent any of that time and money preparing his Constituents (especially in Tivoli Gardens), for a plan B?

Didn't he read what the Media was reporting the last 18 months?
Didn't he see that this thing has escalated, into more than a criminal wanted by the USA and now has been infused with emotions on all sides?
Since he claimed the JLP inserted itself into the Treaty matter wouldn't it be fair to say the JLP and the Government, should be 100% responsible for what is taking place in Tivoli and West Kingston now?

Seriously, no one is going to listen to me but sensible folks need to look at this. Clearly Mr. Golding, reputed to be the smartest man in the JLP and the Cabinet, is not smart enough when given 18 months to defuse a ticking time bomb in his own backyard.

This guy is toast one way or another! </div></div>
true true

[neutral]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

LOl !.....yes unnu throw bruce to the wolves to save jamaica,the only people who are likely to come out of this mess with any integrity is the poor people of tivoli,and some of them may not be around when the dust settles.

One of the main issue in all this has been how politicians and don/gunmen has been wrapped up in bed for decades,this thing is only highlighting it,..people like bruce golding couldnt remain objective,the rot started decades ago,and took root all the way up to the top now that some of the underlings has found themselves in position of power.
Getting rid of bruce wont stop anything or solve anything,some people just need to grow a new backbone.

[Tuff Gong]

Re: dem a sen di students to Wolmers, St Hughs etc fi do dem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Natral</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Getting rid of bruce wont stop anything or solve anything,some people just need to grow a new backbone. </div></div>

I agree that getting rid of Bruce will not stop the Dons, nor the violence but given his leadership over the last two years and no this right in his backyard. He needs to resign.

Now we are faced with the Prime Minster and Minster of Defense Bruce Orrett Golding calling out the Army against denizens of sections of MHR and Leader of the JLP Constituency.

Do you think that if the Army shell dung Tivoli Bruce would have a leg to stand on?
There is a strange aspect of the Tivoli/Denham Town protests there are no mentions of Bruce Golding either way. Tells me something, the folks are over him but they don't want to upset other Labourites, so they are not bunning him.